Are Public Schools Harming OUR kids?!!

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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I didn't even watch the video because the title has 'OUR' capitalized, suggesting collectivism in the most broad and idiotic sense, despite the fact that the OP is the butt of some of UBs most brutal anti-turtle-fucker trolling. Any wisdom you had to share instantly is forgone.

If OUR children refers to anything, it is some retarded form of nationalism that opposes monogamy and/or includes only a lower class.

 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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You don't have to leave everything to the system. Ever wonder why Asian kids do so well? Excuse the blatant racial profiling, but we all know it's fucking true. It's because when Asian children come home from school, Asian parents pick up where the teacher left off. They don't just say, well awesome, the public school will raise my kids for me.
 
Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
i was booted from HS my senior year for not attending, still had straight A's in all AP classes, only person to get an A in AP english before they booted me.

i got them to admit the same thing, they lose money when i'm not there so i need to be there, straight A's or not.

some people here suggest scrapping the system and privatizing everything, which reeks of mental retardation allowed to roam free. i think a better solution than radically altering our system to one that has never been tried before is to look at successful models like south korea or finland and take some lessons from them, like paying our teachers fairly and based on merit, elevating the profession instead of dragging it down like the righties and the paulites like to do.
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I don't know enough about South Korea or Finland's education systems to comment on them, but I've been in an American education system for 12 years, and I can tell you, it's very unsuccessful from a students perspective. Why the department of education doesn't take these testimonies seriously is an admission of one of their own shortcomings. They clearly won't believe anyone with limited experience, no matter how valuable it actually is. Age/experience is what matters. I can't blame them either, because this is what I would require as well. How can you trust a person to know what is accurate having a limited experience in the field they're studying? You can't, which, as it would seem, is a catch 22. Unfortunately this is the reality we live in... Though a guy like Samuel Blumenfield would have enough experience, it would seem he doesn't... Let that be inspiration to you to do better. Collect more data. Make the theory more solid. The more we have, the better. If it was up to me, it would be different, but when considering society, you have to consider the least intelligent person alive...
 
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NoDrama

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Smartest kid I knew growing up went to my church, but never attended school. He got home schooled, had to choose between Harvard, Princeton and MIT for his full ride. Somebody here said something about parents taking up where teachers left off, one step further and the parents can be the teachers.
 
Voidling

Voidling

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Well my parents would of been horrible teachers.

Which part of my previous statement makes you question where I went to school?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
Smartest kid I knew growing up went to my church, but never attended school. He got home schooled, had to choose between Harvard, Princeton and MIT for his full ride. Somebody here said something about parents taking up where teachers left off, one step further and the parents can be the teachers.
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is that the solution for our education system? every single parent or one parent in a two parent home quit their job and stay home to teach the kid(s)?
 
DelSlow

DelSlow

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I think the problem is American kids not putting in the work. They just fuck around and don't take it seriously.
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

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UncleBuck said:
i was booted from HS my senior year for not attending, still had straight A's in all AP classes, only person to get an A in AP english before they booted me.

i got them to admit the same thing, they lose money when i'm not there so i need to be there, straight A's or not.

some people here suggest scrapping the system and privatizing everything, which reeks of mental retardation allowed to roam free. i think a better solution than radically altering our system to one that has never been tried before is to look at successful models like south korea or finland and take some lessons from them, like paying our teachers fairly and based on merit, elevating the profession instead of dragging it down like the righties and the paulites like to do.
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We should just throw massive amounts of money at the problem so all of the school Admins can have new Audis bongsmilie

[video=youtube;SlADRc7isFQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlADRc7isFQ[/video]
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Public school is a success story in this country. It isn't perfect, but it works. I don't think the country would be better off with high rates of illiteracy. There will always be disparity but the public education system is an option for socioeconomic mobility. If anything, it should receive more tax dollars, that is a fantastic investment. Take it out of the "defense" budget.
 
UncleBuck

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Johnny Retro said:
Inner city charter schools have substantially higher graduation rates than their public school counterparts. And do so on a smaller budget.
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do tell, how many students are accounted for on the budget of an inner city charter school versus on the budget of an inner city public school?

of course you'll have a smaller budget when you have less students, captain obvious. maybe cite a statistic next time.

Johnny Retro said:
And people still think its the "funding" aspect of it. lol...
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yep, old conservative canard bullshit. it's the spending that's out of control. right.



education is one of the best value added investments we can make for ourselves as a nation. other nations do it way better than we do, why not take some lessons from them?
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Fuck both public and private schools. If you're too stupid to teach your own kid with the same or better education as a third party educator, you're not a fit parent.

What kind of educational system can "teach" but the graduates can't pass it on? That means normal schooling is flawed.
 
acidbox420

acidbox420

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abandonconflict said:
Public school is a success story in this country. It isn't perfect, but it works. I don't think the country would be better off with high rates of illiteracy. There will always be disparity but the public education system is an option for socioeconomic mobility. If anything, it should receive more tax dollars, that is a fantastic investment. Take it out of the "defense" budget.
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When i moved from NY to FL in 11th grade i learned that in FL high schools most students still are in a reading class, and being that i had not lived in the state and passed that class because it is pritty much assumed in NY that if you cant read you shouldn't be in high school. I had to take the required class, it was reading a one page article and answering 10 questions on it SIMPLE and yet there was kids taking the class for the 3rd time WTF. Also not to mention in 11th grade social studies we were learning about the fucking american revolution that shit is learned in the 6th grade in NY. Public education varies to much from state to state to be called any thing close to a success, it seems like as time goes on we have less kids graduating from normal education and more from "Adult Education" witch is basically college and that as far as my experience is every thing is pritty much self taught.
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

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abandonconflict said:
Public school is a success story in this country. It isn't perfect, but it works. I don't think the country would be better off with high rates of illiteracy. There will always be disparity but the public education system is an option for socioeconomic mobility. If anything, it should receive more tax dollars, that is a fantastic investment. Take it out of the "defense" budget.
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We tried that it leads to massive corruption and inefficiency. See New Jersey public school district.
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
is that the solution for our education system? every single parent or one parent in a two parent home quit their job and stay home to teach the kid(s)?
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Yeah I wouldn't want America to be like it once was where only 1 person had to work and they actually had more wealth than people who have both parents working a job today. You know, a Country that prided itself on it's accomplishments, apologized to no one. Had people that stuck together through thick and thin. Kids actually grew up in homes that had BOTH parents around. I know how much you hate THAT kind of a country to live in, so you got what you have been wishing for.

When I went to High School we still went hunting before school started and would come to school with our guns in the back windows of our old rusty Ford trucks. We didn't lock the doors and they never got stolen, hell once the Principal saw us and he hunted too and he showed us his nice Beretta shotgun behind the cafeteria in the parking lot.

Today we call CPS if a Child even draws a picture of a gun.

How many publicly schooled children did you grow up with that had to choose between the most prestigious Univertsities on the planet for a full ride? Do you know even one person who got a full ride to any university who wasn't an athlete?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Your 1950's Leave it to Beaver-esque era doesn't exist anymore. I hate to be the one to break it to you. That period of economic growth was unprecedented, which is why all the things you listed were able to take place.
 
MellowFarmer

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No, I didn't watch the video, I am already of the strong opinion that public education needs total revamping for the good of our society and I am posting a video with a solution. Peace.


[video=youtube_share;59J3X19N4Ug]http://youtu.be/59J3X19N4Ug[/video]
 
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NoDrama

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Padawanbater2 said:
Your 1950's Leave it to Beaver-esque era doesn't exist anymore. I hate to be the one to break it to you. That period of economic growth was unprecedented, which is why all the things you listed were able to take place.
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Well if you actually had any cognizant thought as you read my post you would perhaps find that I am all TOO AWARE of the fact that we don't live in that America anymore. But UB still thinks that children should not be raised by parents because the parents should be out working, instead let school be the day care center, that is, after all, what most of them are turning out to be. Glorified day care centers for the youth of America. If you have no children (UB has NONE) then you have no skin in the game and I doubt you really ever gave it much more than a passing thought.

Umm if all that growth is what made a single working parent home possible, how come a single parent working household was the norm from 1776-1973? instead of just 1946-1971? That doesn't fit into your hypothesis at all. Even during the depression a single parent working home was the norm. People hunted before 1946, so growth of that nature doesn't explain that at all. In fact the unprecedented growth of the USA after WW2 doesn't explain ANY of those things I listed. Your Hypothesis is wrong.
 
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