Are you for or against gun control?

londonfog

londonfog

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Seeing how that question will never get answered...I have to go and drop off some detergents and bleach at my shops. Will be back later to educate you guys some more.
 
Doer

Doer

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Who brought a slave economy to the Commonweatlh colonies without the setup a slave economy on the home Isle?

Who, in order to not depend on a slave economy Transported slaves....white slaves to make the colonies dependent on slavery?

Who then after we kicked their asses decided to abolish the slave trade to punish the Colonies?

Suddenly, Britain can make us the slavers....it ain't true.

We were settle with the economy and Jefferson wanted to give them the vote. And the only reason it was 3/5 was because they did not know how many slaves the British pushed on us. They were not registered as individuals but only as breeding families.

You simply do not know enough about this, yet. So you are willing to debate from a lack of understanding.

My family made its bones on Virgina Tobacco and British slaves. I know what happened.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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londonfog said:
dude name me ONE founding father who had anything to do with the 13th amendment
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All of them created the provisions to make amendments. It is in the original document they signed. Jesus. Read a book.

Without the founding fathers provision to have amendments be passed with a 2/3 majority to the constitution, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS!

Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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All the founding fathers agreed to and signed for that! Pull your head out of your ass.
 
Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
same question to you

name me ONE founding father who had anything to do with the 13th amendment
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Not the point. And you answer with a 90 degree question.
the 13th and two other are the re-construction Amendmenst after we won the Civil War
the 12th 1804...John Adams Founder and current President (electorial college so we would not have a democracy for Pres)
the 11th 1794 ...G.Washington Founder and current Pres. (State sovereignty)

We had a the 2nd civil war because Jefferson could not get the vote to the slaves although he tried.

He could not account for the number of British slaves.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Doer said:
Not the point. And you answer with a 90 degree question.
the 13th and two other are the re-construction Amendmenst after we won the Civil War
the 12th 1804...John Adams Founder and current President (electorial college so we would not have a democracy for Pres)
the 11th 1794 ...G.Washington Founder and current Pres. (State sovereignty)

We had a the 2nd civil war because Jefferson could not get the vote to the slaves although he tried.

He could not account for the number of British slaves.
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yes that is my point...the 13th amendment helped to change the bullshit that the false founders could not.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Idiots I never said the founders didn't use amendments...I stated "A lot of shit those bullshitting founders did, we are now changing... hence the word "amendments". Where in that statement it says the founders didnt use amendments..Nowhere it just says we now are using amendments to change a lot of their bullshit
 
nontheist

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londonfog said:
Dude now I'm really think you are full of shit. Brits prohibited the international slave trade in 1808. The America south took that shit to a whole new level. Britain also passedthe Slavery Abolition Act of 1833whilst the American south was kicking it into high gear.
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First of all the US also prohibited the international slave trade in 1808. Slavery was still legal in most of Britain until 1833. In fact brits are the ones that perfected the slave trade, Bristol London, and Liverpool are the cities they are now because of the success the British had in the slave trade. Ironically enough religion is what caused the slave trade to end.
 
Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
yes that is my point...the 13th amendment helped to change the bullshit that the false founders could not.
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OK, I got you up until false. And if you think they were false and didn't do enough in your opinion, and had to set it up and oh yeah, busy fighting for life, liberty, etc. You think so.

OK. So then in your opinion, was the Founding itself, false? Was it illegitimate I mean, and only Lincoln made it a proper Founding?

And what about women?

I sense this idea lately from the Subjects and those that wish to push us out of self rule. It is that the Founding was not correct. It is outdated and old, etc. A dead meaningless idea. Those that push us from those ideals in support of a more Kingly govt, think we need to re-write the Founding.

How about you?

So, simple question, and easy to dodge. But, here it is.

Was the Founding flawed in itself, sort of morally no longer relevant....the guns, etc?

Yes, no, dodge?
 
desert dude

desert dude

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MidwesternGro said:
Having laws that:

1)Make it illegal for convicted murderers or rapists buy guns.
2)Make it illegal for mentally retarded people to buy guns.
3)Make it illegal for people convicted of domestic violence to buy guns.
4)Make it illegal for a man who runs into a gun store screaming about how he is going to shoot his girlfriend in the face to buy guns.

Is gun control. If you agree with any of the above, you support gun control!

So are you for gun control or are you against it?
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"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Are you for the constitution or against it?
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Doer said:
OK, I got you up until false. And if you think they were false and didn't do enough in your opinion, and had to set it up and oh yeah, busy fighting for life, liberty, etc. You think so.

OK. So then in your opinion, was the Founding itself, false? Was it illegitimate I mean, and only Lincoln made it a proper Founding?

And what about women?

I sense this idea lately from the Subjects and those that wish to push us out of self rule. It is that the Founding was not correct. It is outdated and old, etc. A dead meaningless idea. Those that push us from those ideals in support of a more Kingly govt, think we need to re-write the Founding.

How about you?

So, simple question, and easy to dodge. But, here it is.

Was the Founding flawed in itself, sort of morally no longer relevant....the guns, etc?

Yes, no, dodge?
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Dude this country became great despite those old confused slave owning fucks.
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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Doer said:
Who brought a slave economy to the Commonweatlh colonies without the setup a slave economy on the home Isle?

Who, in order to not depend on a slave economy Transported slaves....white slaves to make the colonies dependent on slavery?

Who then after we kicked their asses decided to abolish the slave trade to punish the Colonies?

Suddenly, Britain can make us the slavers....it ain't true.

We were settle with the economy and Jefferson wanted to give them the vote. And the only reason it was 3/5 was because they did not know how many slaves the British pushed on us. They were not registered as individuals but only as breeding families.

You simply do not know enough about this, yet. So you are willing to debate from a lack of understanding.

My family made its bones on Virgina Tobacco and British slaves. I know what happened.
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Your grasp on history is at best infantile... I'd be surprised if you knew what you had for dinner the night before...

but please hold onto your guns for dear life...
 
Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
Dude this country became great despite those old confused slave owning fucks.
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OK, good dodge....attempt.

Was not great, had to become great...but the way to greatness was set up by the false old fucks left holding uncountable Crown slaves.

OK. I got it.

Good. Do guns in homes under the 2nd A, help keep us great or not?

Y, N, D?
 
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