Are you going to vote for the Democratic nominee regardless of who it is against Trump?

Are you going to vote for the Democratic nominee regardless of who it is against Trump?

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 46.7%
  • No

    Votes: 65 53.3%

  • Total voters
    122

tangerinegreen555

Well-Known Member
I don't like the margins either, it seems more people on ostensibly one of the more progressive websites take issue with voting for someone like Biden. Maybe they take issue with voting for the Democratic party at large, I can see valid reasons for both. But it's pretty clear the politics section of this forum has been co opted by neoliberals who deny the existence of neoliberalism, ignore the overwhelming evidence of placating corporate donor interests above constituents, from both parties, and seem to believe the only differences that actually matter between political parties are what chromosomes you carry, what country you hail from, and how much melatonin resides in your skin cells - Idpol.

I don't hold the DNC accountable for the outcome of the primary this time because I haven't seen any valid evidence that shows them to have influenced the outcome of the election as they did in 2016. You can likely mark that up to the primary concluding relatively early this cycle compared to last time. President Obama, Party elites and insiders pressured Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and the other centrists to coalesce around Biden after he won SC before Super Tuesday, and they did. If Biden wins, I'm sure each of them will be handsomely rewarded with cabinet positions for falling on the sword. You see that as 'politics', but there's a reason the law prohibits it explicitly, and another reason the laws around government corruption are purposefully left vague; so it's easy to get away with. Under a system of democracy based on policy, offering competitors cabinet positions to drop out and strengthen your own position would be illegal. It's not under ours so politicians can get away with it, and the rubes that support them can sit back and justify it as 'just politics'.. That's not the kind of democracy I support.
What does that partially inaccurate, fringe opinion filled wall of text even mean?

It's your fucking thread asking if we'll support the Dem nominee from last January when Bernie was ahead.

I would have had no problem supporting Bernie if he won. He didn't.

So now there's still a choice between supporting a party who will support science, the environment, liberal choices for SCOTUS, human rights, immigration, a plan for future pandemics, etc. or the party in power with a liar on top that his own party fears and won't speak out against because of their insatiable lust for power.

So why not just simply answer the question you put forward in January instead of basically whining that Bernie didn't win again.

Answer the question. How hard can it be?

Power corrupts. The guy currently in charge is tailor made to play the system, it was his whole game plan from day one.

Most of us are sick of it, what's your excuse?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
What does that partially inaccurate, fringe opinion filled wall of text even mean?

It's your fucking thread asking if we'll support the Dem nominee from last January when Bernie was ahead.

I would have had no problem supporting Bernie if he won. He didn't.

So now there's still a choice between supporting a party who will support science, the environment, liberal choices for SCOTUS, human rights, immigration, a plan for future pandemics, etc. or the party in power with a liar on top that his own party fears and won't speak out against because of their insatiable lust for power.

So why not just simply answer the question you put forward in January instead of basically whining that Bernie didn't win again.

Answer the question. How hard can it be?

Power corrupts. The guy currently in charge is tailor made to play the system, it was his whole game plan from day one.

Most of us are sick of it, what's your excuse?
you guys are missing the little fact that Sanders 'suspended' his campaign- this is 'just in case' something happens to Uncle Joe..he didn't officially end it; he has every right to continue to primary and collect delegates.

DNC rulezzzzz, you know:wink:
 

tangerinegreen555

Well-Known Member
you guys are missing the little fact that Sanders 'suspended' his campaign- this is 'just in case' something happens to Uncle Joe..he didn't officially end it; he has every right to continue to primary and collect delegates.

DNC rulezzzzz, you know:wink:
Aren't you the same person from Florida and now Colorado who thinks her vote somehow doesn't count because of the electoral college? In a swing state, your vote doesn't count?

Are you even coherent on these issues?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
what you doing with your 1200?
you know why they're so resistant with the working poor? once you give to citizens, it's hard to nearly impossible, to take away..back in the 60's Rumpers* fought tooth and nail over Social Security, with Arizona being the last state to hop aboard..try to pry THAT check out of their cold dead hands now..? just fvcking try..

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jimihendrix1

Well-Known Member
In the first 3 state delegate counts

Bernie had 45

Biden had 15

South Carolina Biden picked up 39 with a total 54

Bernie 15 total 60

At that point it was Bernie 60

Biden 54.

Super Tuesday and after, it was a slaughter
 
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Bear420

Well-Known Member
you guys are missing the little fact that Sanders 'suspended' his campaign- this is 'just in case' something happens to Uncle Joe..he didn't officially end it; he has every right to continue to primary and collect delegates.

DNC rulezzzzz, you know:wink:
I wish Bernie would not have done that. I think Biden being the way he has shown lately I know a lot of people saying shit about him, Putting Biden up there might just get Trump RE-ELECTED. Sorry If I hurt anyone's thoughts about Joe but he isn't sounding good when he talks and that may scare people. if it hasn't already.
I'll vote for anyone other than Trump, but what I am hearing is kind of scary, I don't for the life of me understand why some here are shooting Bernie down if he were the only one left I wonder what some would do ?
Just curious.
Biden don't want Marijuana Legal that alone makes people think. He better get on the bandwagon before the Donald Sucks up on that alone.
He's old school and that makes the younger generation think before they cast a vote. I am just saying.

All you that used to get along here and have good conversations are now at each others throats, because of this, Remember when we all said a dog would be better than Donald Chump.

We all need to get along and remember what Trump has done to us as a Nation He rode the shirt tails of Obama until this, Now he's Fucked and the next guy in line better be ready for all the things this Idiot has done to all of us.

Sorry for Blathering. I smoke one earlier than I should and say stupid shit. :)
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Aren't you the same person from Florida and now Colorado who thinks her vote somehow doesn't count because of the electoral college? In a swing state, your vote doesn't count?

Are you even coherent on these issues?
there's no such thing as 'swing'.


the only votes that count are ELECTORAL. The name even gives the college away..try to be part of it, change your vote and see what happens- you can't..you need permission from them.

Now follks..there's Democracy!
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I wish Bernie would not have done that. I think Biden being the way he has shown lately I know a lot of people saying shit about him, Putting Biden up there might just get Trump RE-ELECTED. Sorry If I hurt anyone's thoughts about Joe but he isn't sounding good when he talks and that may scare people. if it hasn't already.
I'll vote for anyone other than Trump, but what I am hearing is kind of scary, I don't for the life of me understand why some here are shooting Bernie down if he were the only one left I wonder what some would do ?
Just curious.
Biden don't want Marijuana Legal that alone makes people think. He better get on the bandwagon before the Donald Sucks up on that alone.
He's old school and that makes the younger generation think before they cast a vote. I am just saying.

All you that used to get along here and have good conversations are now at each others throats, because of this, Remember when we all said a dog would be better than Donald Chump.

We all need to get along and remember what Trump has done to us as a Nation He rode the shirt tails of Obama until this, Now he's Fucked and the next guy in line better be ready for all the things this Idiot has done to all of us.

Sorry for Blathering. I smoke one earlier than I should and say stupid shit. :)
Anyone running for the Democratic nominee was going to get trolled nonstop by anything and everything Trump's trolls can try to divide us with. The benefit of Biden is he helps more with Senate and House seats as well as down ballot Democrats than any other candidate.

He isn't going to burn any political capital with legalizing Marijuana fully on the federal level and let states do what they want. He did say he would decrease to a schedule 2 and people should not be in jail for it and records should be cleaned. Basically middle of the road.

And as far as how he talks, just remember he has a stutter.


The judges alone that Trump wants to appoint is reason enough to oust him. And there is so much more.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
I wish Bernie would not have done that. I think Biden being the way he has shown lately I know a lot of people saying shit about him, Putting Biden up there might just get Trump RE-ELECTED. Sorry If I hurt anyone's thoughts about Joe but he isn't sounding good when he talks and that may scare people. if it hasn't already.
I'll vote for anyone other than Trump, but what I am hearing is kind of scary, I don't for the life of me understand why some here are shooting Bernie down if he were the only one left I wonder what some would do ?
Just curious.
Biden don't want Marijuana Legal that alone makes people think. He better get on the bandwagon before the Donald Sucks up on that alone.
He's old school and that makes the younger generation think before they cast a vote. I am just saying.

All you that used to get along here and have good conversations are now at each others throats, because of this, Remember when we all said a dog would be better than Donald Chump.

We all need to get along and remember what Trump has done to us as a Nation He rode the shirt tails of Obama until this, Now he's Fucked and the next guy in line better be ready for all the things this Idiot has done to all of us.

Sorry for Blathering. I smoke one earlier than I should and say stupid shit. :)
what did Sanders' campaign get his supporters? there are basics to this and the one who needs to bow out, gets concessions to bring back to his supporters 'Biden will give us X and X and X in his first 100 for your support'..that's the way it always works.

why are we re-inventing the wheel here? Biden is a geezer who will die in office and can't even keep his thoughts straight..he's still living in the 90s for christs sakes. if you don't keep up you get left behind and this guy is still in the 90s..dog faced pony soldier, indeed! i mean WTF says shite like that?
 

radiant Rudy

Well-Known Member
why are we re-inventing the wheel here? Biden is a geezer who will die in office and can't even keep his thoughts straight..he's still living in the 90s for christs sakes. if you don't keep up you get left behind and this guy is still in the 90s..dog faced pony soldier, indeed! i mean WTF says shite like that?

I'd wager George Conway's turds have more cognitive capacity than all your kin combined.

We’ve never backed a Democrat for president. But Trump must be defeated.


Trump is a photonegative of Joe Biden. While Trump has innumerable flaws and a lifetime of blaming others for them, Biden has long admitted his imperfections and in doing so has further illustrated his inherent goodness and his willingness to do the work necessary to help put the United States back on a path of health and prosperity.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
I'd wager George Conway's turds have more cognitive capacity than all your kin combined.
We’ve never backed a Democrat for president. But Trump must be defeated.


Trump is a photonegative of Joe Biden. While Trump has innumerable flaws and a lifetime of blaming others for them, Biden has long admitted his imperfections and in doing so has further illustrated his inherent goodness and his willingness to do the work necessary to help put the United States back on a path of health and prosperity.
we need leadership for the Millenium and Uncle Joe has not kept up; Sanders has..now with the line-up we had? and Uncle Joe is it? the best we can do? i'm moving to Canada.

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Uncle Joe was far from the best we could've had..you want a 'traditional' presidential look- Eric Swalwell would've been perfect. Now we're gonna get another president with dementia.
 
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