Arizona Growers Thread

phxfire

phxfire

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Bill Hayes said:
this is for phxfirs as well,

we use the dual bulb reflectors so we can,

#1- increase the overall lumen output from a single reflector unit. This helps with penetration capabilities of the reflector as well as foot print clarity. Meaning, less loss of spectrum than if we were to run alternating MH and HPS lights. If you have a five foot floor pattern from a single light, move another light in next to it to give yourself another five foot floor pattern, you have a 5 foot by ten foot pattern. Unless you over lap the two light foot prints where the secondary light zone starts to create a third primary source to offset the photo-tropism effect of having the two lights farther apart.
#2- increase the overall spectrum output of a single reflector, rather than run 2 HPS or 2 MH we run one of each. Photosynthesis doesn't work on just one spectrum so using one or the other is never as good as using both.
#3- decreasing the heat in the environment as well as the costs to do so by using a single dual bulb reflector. Much easier to vent one light than two;)
#4- yield, the holy grail of grower BS'ing. To increase yield. We super crop to the 33* around here and the secondary light zones are well used.

Every situation is a little different than the next. Even the buildings we utilize act differently during the different seasons. It usually takes us a bout a year or so to get the building itself dialed in on a grow this size.
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Understandable.. If the cost of electricity is No issue why not run 2 bulbs in 1 reflector... And have the benefits of both MH & HPS

I would rather use the same amount of electricity with 2 separate reflectors.. Thats me though.
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

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Bill Hayes said:
this is for phxfirs as well,

we use the dual bulb reflectors so we can,

#1- increase the overall lumen output from a single reflector unit. This helps with penetration capabilities of the reflector as well as foot print clarity. Meaning, less loss of spectrum than if we were to run alternating MH and HPS lights. If you have a five foot floor pattern from a single light, move another light in next to it to give yourself another five foot floor pattern, you have a 5 foot by ten foot pattern. Unless you over lap the two light foot prints where the secondary light zone starts to create a third primary source to offset the photo-tropism effect of having the two lights farther apart.
#2- increase the overall spectrum output of a single reflector, rather than run 2 HPS or 2 MH we run one of each. Photosynthesis doesn't work on just one spectrum so using one or the other is never as good as using both.
#3- decreasing the heat in the environment as well as the costs to do so by using a single dual bulb reflector. Much easier to vent one light than two;)
#4- yield, the holy grail of grower BS'ing. To increase yield. We super crop to the 33* around here and the secondary light zones are well used.

Every situation is a little different than the next. Even the buildings we utilize act differently during the different seasons. It usually takes us a bout a year or so to get the building itself dialed in on a grow this size.
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I have seen this done at a demo By Raptor Hoods they were using two 1,000W and Raptor hoods one MH and one HPS fucking thing was amazing... Melon Head also makes a hood with 2 bulb fixtures for the same thing.
 
Bird Gymnastics

Bird Gymnastics

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Bill Hayes said:
this is for phxfirs as well,

we use the dual bulb reflectors so we can,

#1- increase the overall lumen output from a single reflector unit. This helps with penetration capabilities of the reflector as well as foot print clarity. Meaning, less loss of spectrum than if we were to run alternating MH and HPS lights. If you have a five foot floor pattern from a single light, move another light in next to it to give yourself another five foot floor pattern, you have a 5 foot by ten foot pattern. Unless you over lap the two light foot prints where the secondary light zone starts to create a third primary source to offset the photo-tropism effect of having the two lights farther apart.
#2- increase the overall spectrum output of a single reflector, rather than run 2 HPS or 2 MH we run one of each. Photosynthesis doesn't work on just one spectrum so using one or the other is never as good as using both.
#3- decreasing the heat in the environment as well as the costs to do so by using a single dual bulb reflector. Much easier to vent one light than two;)
#4- yield, the holy grail of grower BS'ing. To increase yield. We super crop to the 33* around here and the secondary light zones are well used.

Every situation is a little different than the next. Even the buildings we utilize act differently during the different seasons. It usually takes us a bout a year or so to get the building itself dialed in on a grow this size.
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Bill Hayes said:
trading between patients is ok, if done correctly. Remember, we sponsor the ETP which is designed for trading amongst patients.


and when you crop that Pot of Gold would ya mind bringing some by the shop? I have been having problems with the cure on ours and would be interested in seeing what others are doing with it. Its a new strain for us and the growers info is limited so far.
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I will bring any leftovers I have. I had to start growing this again because of all the veterans with astonishing pain loved it. Said for once in their life they actually felt "couch lock." they are first on my list as they always have been. If you would like to exchange notes I'd love to see how your guys' space queen is turning out. Plus any other TGA strains...subcool is one of my favorite breeders and his meds are off the charts! Are you growing POG in sea of green or different? I've noticed that growing them big and giving them the space they need, they really start to pack on the weight. I'll take pictures tonight if you'd like to see how she looks in my little set up. Nice long, hard donkey dicks...pardon my french :)
 
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noobgrower19

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yes i just had this problem with my biggest it started to spread rapidly so i had to make the decision to amputate the poor thing so its not wasting any nutes =( BUT the very next day all yellowing and dryness was gone from the rest of the leaves so to me it was worth it.
 
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irieie

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BeaverHuntr said:
hmm PH issue? Cal/Mag?
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phxfire said:
Looks like a Magnesium Def....

Run Epsom Salt through the pots....

Check this out - BELOW
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?PID=456
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looks like the plant is not getting enough magnesium, this could be a result of an imbalance in the PH or a lack of feeding. i would check the ph especially if you are supplementing with cal mag already. check to see if ph is too low. what nutes do you use?
 
swaggersDlite

swaggersDlite

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yea i thought all the same thing but the rest of the garden is fine... i do use cal-mag, my ph has been around 6, but just in case i raised the ph to 6.5 in last nights feeding.....
THANK YOU !!!! guys for the feed back. if anyone has any other idea's please feel free :)
 
swaggersDlite

swaggersDlite

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HEY GUYS when you add ph up or down and it adds ppm's the water, does that count ? or do you ppm before you add ph up or down ?????
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

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irieie said:
try using a silica product to raise your ph instead of ph up.
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I have to use quite a bit of PH Up with House and Garden nutes.. After I add A & B I ph test as per directions and its usually at 3.8 and I have to add PH Up when using a big reservoir I have to use quite a bit, do you recommend a silica product?
 
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irieie

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BeaverHuntr said:
I have to use quite a bit of PH Up with House and Garden nutes.. After I add A & B I ph test as per directions and its usually at 3.8 and I have to add PH Up when using a big reservoir I have to use quite a bit, do you recommend a silica product?
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silica raises ph. what it sounds like is there are a lot of ph buffers in your products which is why you need so much ph up. you can use silica but you dont want to use an unreasonable amount. perhaps supplement with silica, see where the ph is and then add ph up as needed.
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

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irieie said:
silica raises ph. what it sounds like is there are a lot of ph buffers in your products which is why you need so much ph up. you can use silica but you dont want to use an unreasonable amount. perhaps supplement with silica, see where the ph is and then add ph up as needed.
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Ahhh thanks.. I'd rep you but I have to spread it around.
 
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irieie

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Bird Gymnastics said:
Works great for the microbe colony going on in my medium ;)
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great point. ph up and ph down tend to kill microbes and other great bennies in the medium. while they do not sterilize the medium, they certainly cull your herd of beneficials which goes against what you are trying to do in an organic soil. but on the other hand when growing 100% organically the ph of the feeding solution is not very important because the plant is not uptaking the solution but rather you are feeding the soil food web which in turn feeds the plant.
 
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