cybersurfer
Active Member
birth control wha lol
i'm too stoned for this
i'm too stoned for this
Aspirin=Hermi's?
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7cotton7
Well-Known Member
hahaha i kno it sounds wack and i would never think of it if i had never seen it used on normal house plants.birth control wha lol
i'm too stoned for this
CaveChest
Well-Known Member
Thanks West Mich.
And Devmyster (for understanding)
Though i don't know the exact science involved in that it seems like a fairly logical theory. The Hermi is producing seeds atm so, in many months time i will post whether they are male or female, until then there is really no sure fire way to tell....right?
I have always wondered how company's seemed to get %100 femenised seeds so if anyone has any ideas on that please share. I HEARD this was one of
redmachine
Well-Known Member
I heard the theory of the bc pills a couple of years a go but i never try it, i'm interested to see if your seeds turn out fem, try it and let us know
7cotton7
Well-Known Member
im not goin to try till next grow cuz im on my first one and i wanna get some clones so i can have one normal and on on bc. that way i will be for sure they are supose to be female and then i will be able to tell the difference in growth cuz there from the same plant. but i will for sure let yall know.
offworldvacations
Active Member
Aspirin Water a/w is GOOD for your plants. anything can hurt a plant. so it is all abut responsible vending and nutrition.
i am shocked by the number of idiot responses who are so sure of themselves.
1. aspirin IS steroids for plants. steroids are hormones (Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid or ASA) can be prepared by the ... Salicylic acid (SA) is a phenolic phytohormone and is found in plants with roles in plant ... {wiki}
2. hormones have an effect on sex/sexuality
3.your plants will be bigger if you give them a/w
4. they WILL be healthier.
5. they will form a stronger immune system
6. they will fight of more pests
7. it will be at least 1.5 times bigger than untreated plants.
8. they apparently will flip the sex of the plant within the budding stage. so, if you get a bad sex in the flower room...spray the buds and/or water the plant with the non-toxic a w. (or for you morons....save the plant and turn it into hash. or grow it after flipping it and remove the seeds. or save the seeds for sale or production or storage.
9. The only real question here is when the aspirin water can technically effect the sex choice.
the subject who presented this question did not give enough data to determine what the hell he did. did you change the light?
if you take your plant in its flowering stage and during say ....it's 3rd and 4th and 5th weeks... on the last day of your grow weeks, extend the light cycles to 36 hours for just that one photoperiod or said differently only extend the light on those specific days. that will flip your sex.
most of what this crappy assualt on a fellow users intellect had to say was that they are clueless. they actual sex characteristics of the seed have EVERYTHING to do with the outcome. you can still flip a plant that is feminized...so I am told...but that it simply won't have the male genetics. that's right. it would only be a cross dresser, not an actual sex change.
10. soak your plants in aspirin water over night and stimulate root growth...yes it's root powder! 1 non coated aspirin per gallon of water.
OR
Just crush up two extra strength asprin in a half liter of distilled water and let sit with occasional agitation overnight. Now dip your stems in the asprin water instead of rooting hormone before putting them in the medium and you will have excellent results.
11. Many seed banks use aspirin to feminize their seeds.
12. You can use photoperiod, high temps (raise the top of the plant right up into the light so it shows acute heat stress), or over-ripeness to naturally force herms. Nanners should show a couple weeks after the expected harvest date
silver nitrate and STS will also flip sex
13. if you flip a feminized plant. it will produce fem seeds, which produce fem plants.
now, if someone smarter than us would respond to this question: when does aspirin have the technical ability to change plant sexuality? my understanding was only during the flower stage.
14. When a genetically female plant is forced by a threat to its survival to turn into a hermaphrodite, it is not a true hermaphrodite genetically.
do not use birth control. WTF !!! it kills hormones. the male sperm won't survive the aspirin or the BC, but the female sperm can, unless it is toos tronga hormone. do you think that birth control is a strong hormone. do not put vitamins or birth control in your plants...sure they could help. but do folks ever do it right?
however, our thread starter, suggests that it can be done at a couple weeks old. i have not seen any evidence to support such a claim and he did not give enough data to determ
HARD FACTS
Simplified Sex Genetics?
I don't know a lot about the specifics for cannabis, but there seems to be some confusion among people about the process of passing along sex characteristics in general. It is simple genetics when you force a plant to hermaphrodize (is that a word?) that will give you female offspring.
First, as stinky said, a natural hermaphrodite should not be reproduced because that is a genetic flaw. The plant's genes have a defect giving it a XXY chromosome. It will potentially pass this along to nearly all of its young (I think the chance would only be 1 in 4 that it might not pass along the genetic defect since it is breeding with itself, and it might be 0% that it will not pass it on, I'd have to look more at the specifics of these plants because it depends on HOW it divides its sex chromosomes). So, if you get a hermaphrodite plant under idea growing conditions, what that plant is is a genetically defective freak and it needs to be prevented from cross-pollinating your other plants, and the seeds would most likely be more hermies. You might be able to pull the male plant parts off regularly to reduce seeding and make worthwhile buds for use, but any seeds should be discarded or you will just get more of the same.
Genetic freaks aside, a female has XX chromosomes and a male has XY chromosomes. When you breed, the odds of getting males to females (genetically) is 50/50:
X1X2+X1Y1
Results in these possible combinations in the offspring (colour coded to clarify) taking half the genetic material each from the mother and the father:
X1X1 X1Y1 X2X1 X2Y1
In other words, 50% male and 50% female. In most species, plant and animal, males are slightly less strong genetically resulting in a slightly lower survival rate (all to do with dominant and recessive genes and a more detailed explanation is beyond the intended purpose of this message). Females being homogametic, in other words having two identical XX chromosomes, have 2 shots at overcoming flaws where their heterogametic (XY) male counterparts have only 1, where faulty genes don't have an exact corresponding "countering" gene on the other half of their sex chromosome pair. When you introduce substances, be they hormones or aspirin or something else, you are effectively weakening the already slightly less robust male genetic material (Y chromosomes) and trying to approach a survival rate of 0% for sperm (in this case in the form of pollen) that carries a Y. Obviously, this could (and probably does in most cases) also kill off weaker sperm with X chromosomes and could ALSO introduce flaws in the genes if harm is done to the female sperm that do survive - especially if extremely strong hormones are used.
When a genetically female plant is forced by a threat to its survival to turn into a hermaphrodite, it is not a true hermaphrodite genetically. It is STILL a female plant. Obviously, the fact that it has the ability to produce sperm under extreme circumstances is also a genetic trait it carries, but this is actually not a bad thing as ultimately this could be a trait that could win out in a survival of the fittest scenario in the wild. The sperm/pollen produced by the plant cannot carry anything but the genetic material of that plant itself. Since the plant is female, it does not have a Y chromosome to pass along to the eggs to produce male plants and in complete isolation the seeds cannot be anything BUT female seeds, as shown below:
X1X2+X1X2
Results in these possible combinations in the offspring (colour coded to clarify) taking each half of the genetic material for each seed from only the mother:
X1X1 X1X2 X2X1 X2X2
There are no Ys to be had to specify male characteristics. However, there IS the trait that the plant will produce pollen and self-fertilize under stress that will be passed along in an absolute MINIMUM of 50% of the seeds, depending on which part of the cannabis DNA carries that trait. In theory, if you had several females that were stressed and produced pollen and they cross fertilized, you could be actually breeding plants with an increased likelyhood of stress hermaphrodism by having this trait carried on both halves of the genetic material which is joined to make a seed. That's really only a problem if you continue to subject your future generations of plants to stress, and the only real problem for the grower is that they are going to get more seeds and less sensimilla flowers.
Ugh... well, I am sure this is a clear as mud now, but I don't know how to simplify it any more. Just remember that sex cells - eggs and sperm - are haploid cells made of half the plant's own genetic material and therefore can only have in them whatever the plant has for DNA. Join the haploid egg and sperm together and you get a diploid cell which hopefully results in a viable offspring carrying half of each parent's DNA. One parent, or asexual reproduction, means that the offspring can only contain the DNA of that single parent (although potentially in slightly different arrangements as shown above).
It is pretty ridiculous for anyone to suggest you are somehow weakening the plants to do any of this, except perhaps if you go overboard on screwing with hormones and actually do genetic damage. Using aspirin or whatever is technically simply culling male-chromosome carrying sperm and realistically means you are ensuring only the strongest sperm survive, which usually is a positive thing. Forcing plants to self-pollinate with stress is simply reproducing a trait which is already there in that plant's offspring. As long as you don't stress the plants that grow from the seeds produced this way, you aren't changing anything other than the rearrangement of the DNA configuration - which is what happens every time a plant reproduces sexually anyway.
great ceasar's ghost!!! learn..........don't just repeat, copy and learn....
i am shocked by the number of idiot responses who are so sure of themselves.
1. aspirin IS steroids for plants. steroids are hormones (Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid or ASA) can be prepared by the ... Salicylic acid (SA) is a phenolic phytohormone and is found in plants with roles in plant ... {wiki}
2. hormones have an effect on sex/sexuality
3.your plants will be bigger if you give them a/w
4. they WILL be healthier.
5. they will form a stronger immune system
6. they will fight of more pests
7. it will be at least 1.5 times bigger than untreated plants.
8. they apparently will flip the sex of the plant within the budding stage. so, if you get a bad sex in the flower room...spray the buds and/or water the plant with the non-toxic a w. (or for you morons....save the plant and turn it into hash. or grow it after flipping it and remove the seeds. or save the seeds for sale or production or storage.
9. The only real question here is when the aspirin water can technically effect the sex choice.
the subject who presented this question did not give enough data to determine what the hell he did. did you change the light?
if you take your plant in its flowering stage and during say ....it's 3rd and 4th and 5th weeks... on the last day of your grow weeks, extend the light cycles to 36 hours for just that one photoperiod or said differently only extend the light on those specific days. that will flip your sex.
most of what this crappy assualt on a fellow users intellect had to say was that they are clueless. they actual sex characteristics of the seed have EVERYTHING to do with the outcome. you can still flip a plant that is feminized...so I am told...but that it simply won't have the male genetics. that's right. it would only be a cross dresser, not an actual sex change.
10. soak your plants in aspirin water over night and stimulate root growth...yes it's root powder! 1 non coated aspirin per gallon of water.
OR
Just crush up two extra strength asprin in a half liter of distilled water and let sit with occasional agitation overnight. Now dip your stems in the asprin water instead of rooting hormone before putting them in the medium and you will have excellent results.
11. Many seed banks use aspirin to feminize their seeds.
12. You can use photoperiod, high temps (raise the top of the plant right up into the light so it shows acute heat stress), or over-ripeness to naturally force herms. Nanners should show a couple weeks after the expected harvest date
silver nitrate and STS will also flip sex
13. if you flip a feminized plant. it will produce fem seeds, which produce fem plants.
now, if someone smarter than us would respond to this question: when does aspirin have the technical ability to change plant sexuality? my understanding was only during the flower stage.
14. When a genetically female plant is forced by a threat to its survival to turn into a hermaphrodite, it is not a true hermaphrodite genetically.
do not use birth control. WTF !!! it kills hormones. the male sperm won't survive the aspirin or the BC, but the female sperm can, unless it is toos tronga hormone. do you think that birth control is a strong hormone. do not put vitamins or birth control in your plants...sure they could help. but do folks ever do it right?
however, our thread starter, suggests that it can be done at a couple weeks old. i have not seen any evidence to support such a claim and he did not give enough data to determ
HARD FACTS
Simplified Sex Genetics?
I don't know a lot about the specifics for cannabis, but there seems to be some confusion among people about the process of passing along sex characteristics in general. It is simple genetics when you force a plant to hermaphrodize (is that a word?) that will give you female offspring.
First, as stinky said, a natural hermaphrodite should not be reproduced because that is a genetic flaw. The plant's genes have a defect giving it a XXY chromosome. It will potentially pass this along to nearly all of its young (I think the chance would only be 1 in 4 that it might not pass along the genetic defect since it is breeding with itself, and it might be 0% that it will not pass it on, I'd have to look more at the specifics of these plants because it depends on HOW it divides its sex chromosomes). So, if you get a hermaphrodite plant under idea growing conditions, what that plant is is a genetically defective freak and it needs to be prevented from cross-pollinating your other plants, and the seeds would most likely be more hermies. You might be able to pull the male plant parts off regularly to reduce seeding and make worthwhile buds for use, but any seeds should be discarded or you will just get more of the same.
Genetic freaks aside, a female has XX chromosomes and a male has XY chromosomes. When you breed, the odds of getting males to females (genetically) is 50/50:
X1X2+X1Y1
Results in these possible combinations in the offspring (colour coded to clarify) taking half the genetic material each from the mother and the father:
X1X1 X1Y1 X2X1 X2Y1
In other words, 50% male and 50% female. In most species, plant and animal, males are slightly less strong genetically resulting in a slightly lower survival rate (all to do with dominant and recessive genes and a more detailed explanation is beyond the intended purpose of this message). Females being homogametic, in other words having two identical XX chromosomes, have 2 shots at overcoming flaws where their heterogametic (XY) male counterparts have only 1, where faulty genes don't have an exact corresponding "countering" gene on the other half of their sex chromosome pair. When you introduce substances, be they hormones or aspirin or something else, you are effectively weakening the already slightly less robust male genetic material (Y chromosomes) and trying to approach a survival rate of 0% for sperm (in this case in the form of pollen) that carries a Y. Obviously, this could (and probably does in most cases) also kill off weaker sperm with X chromosomes and could ALSO introduce flaws in the genes if harm is done to the female sperm that do survive - especially if extremely strong hormones are used.
When a genetically female plant is forced by a threat to its survival to turn into a hermaphrodite, it is not a true hermaphrodite genetically. It is STILL a female plant. Obviously, the fact that it has the ability to produce sperm under extreme circumstances is also a genetic trait it carries, but this is actually not a bad thing as ultimately this could be a trait that could win out in a survival of the fittest scenario in the wild. The sperm/pollen produced by the plant cannot carry anything but the genetic material of that plant itself. Since the plant is female, it does not have a Y chromosome to pass along to the eggs to produce male plants and in complete isolation the seeds cannot be anything BUT female seeds, as shown below:
X1X2+X1X2
Results in these possible combinations in the offspring (colour coded to clarify) taking each half of the genetic material for each seed from only the mother:
X1X1 X1X2 X2X1 X2X2
There are no Ys to be had to specify male characteristics. However, there IS the trait that the plant will produce pollen and self-fertilize under stress that will be passed along in an absolute MINIMUM of 50% of the seeds, depending on which part of the cannabis DNA carries that trait. In theory, if you had several females that were stressed and produced pollen and they cross fertilized, you could be actually breeding plants with an increased likelyhood of stress hermaphrodism by having this trait carried on both halves of the genetic material which is joined to make a seed. That's really only a problem if you continue to subject your future generations of plants to stress, and the only real problem for the grower is that they are going to get more seeds and less sensimilla flowers.
Ugh... well, I am sure this is a clear as mud now, but I don't know how to simplify it any more. Just remember that sex cells - eggs and sperm - are haploid cells made of half the plant's own genetic material and therefore can only have in them whatever the plant has for DNA. Join the haploid egg and sperm together and you get a diploid cell which hopefully results in a viable offspring carrying half of each parent's DNA. One parent, or asexual reproduction, means that the offspring can only contain the DNA of that single parent (although potentially in slightly different arrangements as shown above).
It is pretty ridiculous for anyone to suggest you are somehow weakening the plants to do any of this, except perhaps if you go overboard on screwing with hormones and actually do genetic damage. Using aspirin or whatever is technically simply culling male-chromosome carrying sperm and realistically means you are ensuring only the strongest sperm survive, which usually is a positive thing. Forcing plants to self-pollinate with stress is simply reproducing a trait which is already there in that plant's offspring. As long as you don't stress the plants that grow from the seeds produced this way, you aren't changing anything other than the rearrangement of the DNA configuration - which is what happens every time a plant reproduces sexually anyway.
great ceasar's ghost!!! learn..........don't just repeat, copy and learn....
Pipe Dream
Well-Known Member
I was thinking the very same thing about the xy chromosome. Maybe you could continue a line if you just had a male by crossing it to itself, theoretically the seeds would still be 50/50 male female. Now I'm thinking a female is xx and a male is xy but wouldn't there be plants that recieved 2 y chromosomes? That plant would only be able to breed males. That would be a very bad DOMINANT trait to pass on to future generations.