it may be a "seedy business" as you call it but most people are honestly expecting the seeds they order. what do you suppose would happen if a company like Seedsman did that? then they would have a sh$te reputation as Attitude surely now does from what Im seeing. Maybe they can act cute and brush it off to a "seedy business" guffawing all the way to bank but what they are doing is called theft and they are hiding behind international commerce. the reality is as another poster here put it that they are in the business of selling what is basically illegal. so for them to hide behind what happened is cowardly. a reputable company would send the seeds and my experience in last couple of years is europeans out of control with shameless grift/theft of money for an illegal product that is probably one of the easiest things to ship, especially as I hear that attitude handles everything and removes packaging. I was okay with that, not welchers hiding behind what happened. I even sent money for whole order of seeds from msnl and they sent me seeds that not a one of them sprouted. they ignored me. herbies got intercepted and gave me very hard time, then backed out of shipping seeds to me as if adress is hot. maybe these europeans taking advantage know they can use that card. seeds are expensive but I have a nice collection of them and the last couple of years I have seen some welchers for sure, wish they could really get the peace vibe they try to send to you while ripping you off and realize, but alas they are deluded and not upright.