Attitude will stock with TGA subcool seeds

Jacks Cleaner 2 = Jack's Cleaner x (Jack's Cleaner x Space Queen)


I think that under the best of circumstances you would get 100% of the 50% = 50% of the total for the Jack's cleaner only and around 50% of the of the 50% that the JC and SQ contribute to the cross or 25% of the total hence a total possible 75% JC with the remaining 25% being SQ.

i just was looking at it this way that if you popped 4 seeds 3 would be identical to the mom,but actually 75% really doesn't mean a lot when you break it down its just a number.

JackHerer said:

heres the end of the Jacks Cleaner 2 description

For those of you searching for the elusive JC cutting this is a 75% Square and as close as you can get to the mom. Subcool also forgot to mention that jc2 is a herm monster so is his chernoble only stick with subs eailer crosses such as vortex jillybean ao and jc1 anything new he is developing has not been very promissing.

thats from the attitude website

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i see the attitude took down this warning,it makes me wonder about integrity.were does the truth lie,and why post something then take it down.wouldn't it be nice if one fricken seed merchant was honest and not all about the fricken money.

I think it was the loser in the fight that had an ax to grind. I also think the truth lies in trial and error. Successful people are often attacked for their success. Leaves some "green" with envy. I'll concentrate on the green part and leave the envy to someone with more free time.

Genetic soups are tough to predict. Recessive genes come forward at unexpected times and for no apparent reason and it's our job to understand and adjust.

MostlyCrazy said:

I think it was the loser in the fight that had an ax to grind. I also think the truth lies in trial and error. Successful people are often attacked for their success. Leaves some "green" with envy. I'll concentrate on the green part and leave the envy to someone with more free time.

Genetic soups are tough to predict. Recessive genes come forward at unexpected times and for no apparent reason and it's our job to understand and adjust.

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ya im assuming something went on,it looked like a bit of gamesmanship,im not privy to deals between breeders and sellers,but im sure their is a lot of haggling going on.But if attitude was trying to gain leverage then they should try to erase the confusion.were i bought my poison tent,they still sell them.were i bought herm seeds with everyone else getting hermies from it,they still sell them.In the cannabis business it is hard enough with thieves trying to smell pot around houses,and having to hide from the law,then you have to worry about the integrity of the seller.So either attitude is a bullshitter or hes not.it cant be neither.

trapper said:

i see the attitude took down this warning,it makes me wonder about integrity.were does the truth lie,and why post something then take it down.wouldn't it be nice if one fricken seed merchant was honest and not all about the fricken money.

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The attitude's web guy copied and pasted the description from icmag...he's in a bit of hot water now.

The only one lacking integrity is the half ass web guy.

I knew somebody screwed up. Thanks.

Genetic soups are tough to predict. Recessive genes come forward at unexpected times and for no apparent reason and it's our job to understand and adjust........that is why i have stated all these mixing and matching of the name strains with out stabilizing has led to more problems then not.that's why people are better off breeding themselves,for the money spent on unstable genetics were the emphasis is put on the grower to weed out the hermies and grow 20 seeds to find a keeper is a joke.

I kinda feel the same way. I know what strains work for me and will combine them to get and keep the genes I want to work with. I buy beans after hearing from people I trust. I have been very lucky to pick the right people to trust.

MostlyCrazy said:

I kinda feel the same way. I know what strains work for me and will combine them to get and keep the genes I want to work with. I buy beans after hearing from people I trust. I have been very lucky to pick the right people to trust.

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ya i like making my own seeds.you see all these clone onlys yhat have no parentage history,they are being selfed,stressed and what ever to get them in seed forum and on the market.in the last year it has grown in leaps and bounds,never have i seen so many hightimes hyped genetics on the market,everyone under the sun is using trainwreck,og kush,purple urkle,chemdawg,trinity,cheese,og#18,sour diesel,i mean really how stable are all these new releases,when have you seen so many of these strains released.its mind boggling how quick they are being sold after appearing in HT as a clone only.is it any wonder we have so many hermies in the system,and getting more all the time.

I am trying to keep mine limited to a F1 or F2. At least I get one or the other and not some supercross bred hermie nut chucker. It's getting tough. That's why I think now is the time to gather your genetics and do it yourself.

MostlyCrazy said:

I am trying to keep mine limited to a F1 or F2. At least I get one or the other and not some supercross bred hermie nut chucker. It's getting tough. That's why I think now is the time to gather your genetics and do it yourself.

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i just put in my last seed order,maybe i get bluemoonshine yet,but this order is my last,i wanted a deepchunk and i wanted some f2 white russian and a few others,now im done bying seeds,im staying away from the purples,they have been bastardised,its like the irish setter and the collies in the 60,s and 70,s every thing got inbred untill they were retarded.i saw an issue of the purple strains in HT,every pic used a purple type filter,no one was going to get that purple of plant except from frost.but your right genetics are getting worse by the month,i bet next year will be a hermy fest,if not already.i didnt even need more seeds,the breeding stuff i had and the seeds from them were all top notch in my books,and im the only one who reads my books lol.,and a few friendsbut they just look at the pictures they cant really read,you dont need to read to get a trappers licence.

So you are really a trapper! Great, I use to do that as a kid on my uncles farms. Beaver, muskrat, coons and rabbits and an occasional dumb ass possum. Stopped when I got a skunk! LOL!

Ideally, I'd like to get a grow established with some selects I chose for the high I like and cross them. To me purples are a novelty made for street sales as something strange but I have seen a couple of growers here who have good success. I have some purple wreck put aside in case I want to go that way as a trial.

Blue Moonshine sounds nice though so that will be on my list some years down the line. I'm learning to grow in all styles in preperation of being a MMJ grower when that comes to my state. If not I guess I'll just have to retire to a state that has it.

ya i trapped up in northern canada,the plane dropped us at freeze and picked us up at thaw.

That's a young man's game!

MostlyCrazy said:

That's a young man's game!

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it is one tough life,not for the faint of heart,hypothermia is a bitch,and frostbite has left me with chewed up ears and a rubber nose lol.

So you don't think a guy 2 years past a quintuple bypass should try it? LOL!

MostlyCrazy said:

So you don't think a guy 2 years past a quintuple bypass should try it? LOL!

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sure i do,best thing for ya.

Kill me or cure me then! LOL!

I'm an OG and I remember back in the day this cat subcool was a crook. He may have changed, but like I said back in the day....