Auto Seedlings Stunted, Brown crispy leaves, hydroponic

Charlie Rogers

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Hey everyone,

This is my first grow and having next to no experience with growing, I'd hope to get some advice on my current situation from some seasoned growers.

My setup is a homemade ebb and flow. I have a 20 gallon reservoir, going to a tray with 11 6" net pots. I'm growing all auto flowering strains. I'm also using a 400w MH light at about 18" away from seedlings.

I germinated the plants in 1.5" rockwool cubes over 4 weeks ago. I put them under a 45W cfl on 24/7 for the first 12 days and occasionally misted them and wet the cubes with 6 pH water with a few drops of veg nutes in it. It was on day 13 that I moved the cubes into 6" net pots filled with hydroton. The cube I covered with a small layer of hydroton.




Im growing in a closet which is why also my temps are peaking around 90 F. There is an AC installed in the room, and I do have an exhaust fan blowing air through the ceiling and out of the room.

My strains:
Auto northern lights
Auto Red poison
Auto Berry Ryder
Auto purple kush

The problem I'm having is my plants starting drooping a day ago and now they begun to turn yellow/brown. I germinated the seeds almost 4 weeks ago in rw cubes and definitely feel they've been stunted because of the underlying problem I'm experiencing. I germed them under a cfl on a 24/0 light schedule for the first week then put them in the hydro setup under the hps with a 18/6 lighting schedule. I foolishly added very low strength nutes (general hydroponics brand) to the hydro reservoir, maybe 1/8 strength or so, and don't know if my plants have mute burn or maybe some defeciency. When I added the nutrients to the first reservoir fill, I only used the floramicro and floragro of the three part system. After reading the labels, I noticed that the third part, the florabloom contains a much larger amount of magnesium then the other two parts (5% compared to .5%) The directions for the system also say to use all three parts in equal parts for seedlings (I know autoflowers dont usually follow this rule though).

Do you guys think that maybe since I didnt use the third part, the water was lacking in magnesium thus causing these symptoms?

I'm reaching close to 90 F when the lights been on but now have a fan blowing across light and plants. Temps reach 65 when lightsoff.

I refilled the reservoir 3 days ago with new water after cleaning it out. I only put in fresh water phed to a little under 6. I'm hoping this will help the plants since I've read autos do not like nutes until flowering. The water in before had maybe 1/8 strength floragro and 1/8 floramicro.


At this point I'm really stumped at what exactly it could be. The plants are not showing any signs of getting better after the fresh water and Im torn between so many possible problems it could be.

I thought maybe nutrient burn, then overwatering, underwatering, and then a Magnesium def, but the stunted growth also made me think nitrogen or phosphorus.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Southerner

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Hydroponics feeding starting at smaller doses from the point it when it develops its first few leaves and onwards. Soil growers can get away with feeding after 2 weeks or not having to at all throughout the entire grow depending on build of the soil.
 

Charlie Rogers

Active Member
Hydroponics feeding starting at smaller doses from the point it when it develops its first few leaves and onwards. Soil growers can get away with feeding after 2 weeks or not having to at all throughout the entire grow depending on build of the soil.
Hydroponics feeding starting at smaller doses from the point it when it develops its first few leaves and onwards. Soil growers can get away with feeding after 2 weeks or not having to at all throughout the entire grow depending on build of the soil.
I think all my researching confused me because so much information was assuming it was a soil grow. Thanks for the input guys! I'm going to start slow and add maybe 1/4 or 1/2 strength nutes to the res and adjust pH and see how the plants react. Ill upload photos in the next few days.

Also what would you guys recomend for flood timings? My pump takes about 4 minutes to fill the tray and takes about 8 minutes to fully drain tray. I have it set for 3 times during the light on for 10 minutes pump on. You guys think that's good for these size seedlings?
 

Charlie Rogers

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So I added nutes yesterday to the res at about 1/4 the strength the GH bottle said for vegging. I originally was flooding 3 times but after waking up this morning I don't know if maybe it's overwatering as a few plants seem to be wilting (or maybe curling inward).

Growth looks like its actually starting up again as new leaves appear to be forming. Some of the older leaves also appear to be yellowing a bit which I know could be not enough nitrogen. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks again!
 

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MYOB

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What is your water source?

Do youre nutrients have calcium and magnesium?

Do you know your ppms?

Do you check pH regularly?
 

Charlie Rogers

Active Member
What is your water source?

Do youre nutrients have calcium and magnesium?

Do you know your ppms?

Do you check pH regularly?
My water source is tap water, it has a neutral pH 6.9, and is very soft, basically 0 ppm. It does have chlorine but I try to add new water right after flood so air stones can help evaporate it quickly

My nutrients contain both calcium and magnesium as well. I'm using the flora series from general hydroponics

As for my nutrient ppm, I have no method to measure at the moment. According the the General hydroponic label the seedling stage has 300-500 ppm but I'm only using around half to 3/4 that strength so no more then that range.

I checked the pH yesterday when adding the nutes, as well as today to see how fast the plants were using them. No noticeable difference. I am using the GH ph kit which uses colors, so not very accurate.

Im reading a lot of places that ebb and flow systems are usually flooded every 2-3 hours which makes me wonder about my timings, yet I'm not sure if my plants are showing signs of overwatering.
 

Charlie Rogers

Active Member
So I wasn't giving the plants enough nutes! The lack of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium were causing the stunting, yellowing leaves and curling. I'm up to about 75 percent what GH calls "aggressive vegging" and floodin every 2 hours. The plants are loving it! I guess auto flowers maybe aren't ridiculously sensitive to nutes as I thought.

Thanks for all the advice guys!
 
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