B.H.O is in the House!!

Notice I said a percentage of people. Most people aren't willing to take the care needed to produce ice wax. The majority of people making hash don't use a bubble machine or converted washing machine, they use their hands and a wooden spoon or an egg beater or a drill and paint mixer. This means a large majority of those people will not be able to make it, because their process creates too many contaminants.

It is much easier to fully extract and retain the terpene profile of the material in bho than water extracted hash.

Rare D MI said:

You inhale more butane using a lighter than doing 1000 dabs of properly purged bho.

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this is comforting news...

but lets say we have a bad product, looks good, dry, but seriously crackles.... ? its a rough description... but would it still be less damage than that of the butane lighter?

If you have bho like that, grab a Pyrex dish and a heating pad, finish purging it. It will stop crackling.

Up at g3c in flint, there are some assholes that decided to get in on the bho thing when they saw me coming up there with $40/g of it and people would go crazy. So now you can go find improperly purged bho for $20/g. I had a regular patient that was short on cash grab 2g one time (he usually would buy me out of what I had) and he was like "kinda broke today, gonna grab bit of your fire and then finish purging this crap) he busted out 4g of oil that still smelled like butane. Those assholes sold 4g for $60. Never mind that it could seriously fuck up people's lungs.

i did'nt notice that sorry Rare D lol. what scares me more though are the people that make bad bubble getting into making bad bho! haha. i dont think id buy it if it was cheaper than 40 a gram unless i knew the guy/girl well. sometimes you have to reward good bho abilities with the money it deserves, as with any commodity. you dont go to a sit down restaurant if you cant afford to tip right?

mushead said:

ICE WAX! i never understood why people would rather smoke bho when you can make super clean ice water hash that bubbles like crazy, but to each there own. all i can say is know what your smoking, research that ish! tons of good threads on here about how to make proper bho extracts. at the end of the day butane is butane to me. no thanks

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Well, if you don't understand, let me help. Bubblehash is a rather limited extract compared to BHO, in that all it extracts is capitate trichome gland heads. It tends to leave behind the majority of terpenes and CBD (but oddly, can conserve CBN). That means that a lot of the real medicinal elements of the herb are taken out of the medicine. BHO on the other hand, pulls out all those terpenes and plant phenols, beneficial oils, and can conserve CBD's for the greatest medicinal AND mental medication.(and quit with the mindless stoner repetition of BUTANE ISH BAD! - I am so tired of that chicken-little, closet-monster weenie-whining from know-nothing rumor-mongers. If you don't have facts, stay home.)

have you had both the bho and bubble tested to confirm this? if not i cant really accept this on your word alone. if so thanks for the info, im not tring to troll bho here, im just sick of people (maybe not you) acting like all bho is all equal or its all healthy and good. i have two different dr.s that told me my throat and lungs were getting fucked. i said nothing about vaping bho, and it was when i ran out and its all i could find so i know it was that. havent consumed it in a few months and i feel fine. even if i could reiterate solids facts about the health issues, most still wouldnt care or believe me. sorry to have ruffuled your feathers potsnoberry! lets all dab one real quick!

Youre exactly right, its lies. I defy anyone to show me a butane extract that hasnt been further processed and reaches 90+%. And as for the dark nasty colored syringes, whack assy oil that wont stabilize. Instant solution, syringes for cancer patients. Pathetic. Its like this caviar bullshit. Ever wonder why the disp never has any of the bud the caviar was made of before it was reupholstered with glue and dust? Pretty tricky way to make your pest or pathogen infested bud worth twice as much.

Weedz b Baked said:

Possibly.. In my experience, rarely does everyone like the same flavor. I'm not sure if the winner would have the 'most' impressive flavor but more a flavor that the majority of people favored.

The whole idea of 'judging' cannabis is really strange..

Kind of getting side tract but WTF is up with lab testing BHO? People are just blatantly lying about their test results and it sucks because now instead of cannabinoids results helping patients, it's just a way of lying to patients. I normally try to leave room for exceptions but, there's way too many people bullshitting patients and telling them their oil is 90+% THC which is just a lie.

I mean I've been making BHO for a bit and always get a nice shatter so I'm confused by what the hell these dispensaries are selling in syringes. It's like nasty black poison that they claim to be BHO but it looks like Rick Simpson Oil. I guess I could go on and on about how dispensaries shouldn't sell under purged oil that budders up in a week but I guess I'll just stick to smoking my own stuff and relax.

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yup yupppp yuppppp... i hang around an area where weed is as common as milk.., MANY people are coming out with there version of oils and what the call wax and butter...

ive heard if sooooooooo many different bho ways by now.. some just sound like there from the stone ages... I had about 2 lbs of really old trim that was given to me by a friend.. about a year ago... i found out about bho shortly after :] ive since come far enough to where people are coming to me to have me blow there material.. ... I've never had my product tested, but by the way people react to it, i think im doing it right :]

I REALLY RESPECT quality growers.. Like, they are my heroes.. AND, when i can impress someone who has been in the business for a lifetime, well, thats my ecstasy .. . :] i love meeting old timers who can take huge bong rips and what not, and then they try a hit of my stuff, and are just blown away.. there are soo many great things about quality bho(generally everything about mj is awesome).. but all the spread of these improper ways of making it ie: dirty, less skilled, retards blowing themselves up, list goes on) these things are giving it a bad rep...


edit: i forgot to add.. when i first started making it, i made really bad stuff but i still smoked all of it.. i mean, im alive today, but i know i was hurting my lungs, and body with what i was smoking, i could tell by how often i had a soar throat.. i eventually got better, i feel healthy now.. BUT LESSON! poor bho is not healthy :[ its actually really bad.. be aware.. thats my $.02 ...

is this ice wax stuff as hyped up as some people think? ive never encountered it.. i'd like to know whats better though :] im talking prime ice wax VS. prime bho wax... any opinions??? id like to see the same exact material made with the 2 different methods.. maybe one day i shall try...

Rare D MI said:

. Those assholes sold 4g for $60. Never mind that it could seriously fuck up people's lungs.

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yup, stuff like this just wreaks asshole..

but rare d, thanks for the advice, but i was more concerned about the health issues involved? quality bho is 1000x better than a bong hit with abic..

now, what about very poor quality bho, im talking like not even close to appealing, crackles, is that still better than a bic on bowl?
maybe not 1000x times better, but still like 40x times? or would you think its 1000x worse? thanks !!!! i kind of want to know just so i can explain it to people better..

alright after a lengthy coversation with my sister, who has her phd in chemistry and is also a stoner, she convinced me it was either not vac purge/or done enough, crappy butane, or bhotard 101 that tainted my bho experience.. sorry i jumped the gun there i was toked up hah. something about the molecular weight and other scientific mumbo jumbo... butane being healthier than other solvents that are used in other food and drugs etc.. now lets move past that if we can, my question now is, are there any better, potentially healthier solvents than butane? or have you guys tried anything else? 2nd question, how you you guys tell if its quality if you cant trust the people selling it? i usually only get shatter if i do, cuz the shop in ann arbor i go to sold my the throat killer. it was gooey smelled, fine.. please dont say make your own lol, if that was an option id probably be more understanding to the bho heads, ha. potsnoberry id still be interested in the tests if you happen to know of any, on bubble that proves its leaves behind a lot more terpens and plant phenols and such.. ive always thought my water was very stinky and oily. but ive never had it tested for anything, deffinately not tested it vs bho.

I can't really answer that question. All I can do is assume that combustion is worse that vaporizing, so anything with a Bic would be worse. Plus I assume the fuel in the lighter isn't ultra refined butane.

Which shop/dispensary in ann arbor did you get it from and what kind was it?

mushead said:

alright after a lengthy coversation with my sister, who has her phd in chemistry and is also a stoner, she convinced me it was either not vac purge/or done enough, crappy butane, or bhotard 101 that tainted my bho experience.. sorry i jumped the gun there i was toked up hah. something about the molecular weight and other scientific mumbo jumbo... butane being healthier than other solvents that are used in other food and drugs etc.. now lets move past that if we can, my question now is, are there any better, potentially healthier solvents than butane? or have you guys tried anything else? 2nd question, how you you guys tell if its quality if you cant trust the people selling it? i usually only get shatter if i do, cuz the shop in ann arbor i go to sold my the throat killer. it was gooey smelled, fine.. please dont say make your own lol, if that was an option id probably be more understanding to the bho heads, ha. potsnoberry id still be interested in the tests if you happen to know of any, on bubble that proves its leaves behind a lot more terpens and plant phenols and such.. ive always thought my water was very stinky and oily. but ive never had it tested for anything, deffinately not tested it vs bho.

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OM.. ive gotten good stuff from them for a while now too, so i hate to even drop there name like that, awesome place really. that and even some of the bud had nutes still in it. for 375+ for flower that shit better at least be flushed no? green planet is always on my list to visit too, same with there bho sometimes tho, probably same strains/makers but they know there bubble better there. om, 3rd coast and a few others must not be bubble smokers cuz there stuff was all garbage for a while. im talking powder to hard crack lookin dust rocks.. eww... oh its was chemdog og, blue dot something, and carmello i believe.

Hey shit happens. Especially at dispensaries. If one takes a shit where it eats, call that shit out, flat out. Its the way it should be. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT CRY BABYS WHO THINK THEY "SHOULDA GOTTA AT LEAST ANOTHA LIKE HALF A G OR SUMTHIN" and cry about it on a disp locator site. Gotta love a guy who thinks him being broke means his source owes him something extra and will bitch about it on weedmaps! Hahahhaha. I crack the fuck up when i see that shit in the reviews. I mean if you really get fucked on a fucked up product, announce it.

SketchyGrower said:

In my opinion once you try extract you will never want to smoke flowers for pain again.

Edit: KILLER rig you got there OP

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^^^ i just dont like the idea of butane ... I would rather c02 extraction but the stuff is way more expensive (because the food grade co2 extractor is like 60,000usd)... but i have heard you can made it with a washing machine bubble bags and a bunch of ice that would be cool

d3dm4n said:

^^^ i just dont like the idea of butane ... I would rather c02 extraction but the stuff is way more expensive (because the food grade co2 extractor is like 60,000usd)... but i have heard you can made it with a washing machine bubble bags and a bunch of ice that would be cool

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Pretty sure it's more difficult to make bubble hash than bho. I know there's plenty of people who think they make bomb bubble hash and call it full melt but honestly you can have way more contaminants from bubble than you would from bho. Don't know about other people but I've never seen anyone actually dry out their bubble hash completely.

I know some people can make proper bubble hash but I honestly feel more comfortable (healthy) vaping bho.

Rare D MI said:

If you have bho like that, grab a Pyrex dish and a heating pad, finish purging it. It will stop crackling.

Up at g3c in flint, there are some assholes that decided to get in on the bho thing when they saw me coming up there with $40/g of it and people would go crazy. So now you can go find improperly purged bho for $20/g. I had a regular patient that was short on cash grab 2g one time (he usually would buy me out of what I had) and he was like "kinda broke today, gonna grab bit of your fire and then finish purging this crap) he busted out 4g of oil that still smelled like butane. Those assholes sold 4g for $60. Never mind that it could seriously fuck up people's lungs.

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Trust me,
any assholes at gc3 you encountered were there long before you came with any shatter.
Don't let an unpleasant experience with someone who doesn't even work there anymore in the past spoil any future experiences or sour anything.
I think we both know that if you throw another $20 on that price, and you are in serious need that I would get you properly purged errl,....no problem
I think we both know that there are alot of people up there, and in general that don't know what they are doing when it comes to bho.
They are the reason that product like ours is in demand.

Rare D MI said:

I can't really answer that question. All I can do is assume that combustion is worse that vaporizing, so anything with a Bic would be worse. Plus I assume the fuel in the lighter isn't ultra refined butane.

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As an asthmatic I can say combustion is waaaaay worse. I used to have to sleep in a chair at a 45 degree angle to keep myself from wheezing and waking myself up when I used combustion to medicate myself. I don't have any issues at all now that I vaporize my meds.
I always wondered about the real advantage of ultra refined butane as nearly all butane in a can has propane as well as no actual refining standards that are set down in black & white. It does make my torch glow prettier

d3dm4n said:

^^^ i just dont like the idea of butane ... I would rather c02 extraction but the stuff is way more expensive (because the food grade co2 extractor is like 60,000usd)... but i have heard you can made it with a washing machine bubble bags and a bunch of ice that would be cool

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That wouldn't be super critical, but dry ice hash.

On google this thread shows up just above another called "when bho goes terribly wrong". It looks like BHO in the house goes terribly wrong.

Any kind of sift or bubble works for me. Decarboxylizing makes it sterile, and it's much safer to produce, leaving a nice, sticky ball. My latest is down to pinball size after having started like a golf ball.