BadKittySmiles
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Originally Posted by mellokitty
it'll probably work, but it might not be the most efficient extraction... chocolate is only partially fat.....
i'm not talking extraction
i'm talking replacement
it's to be used in the "canna caps" (the weed pills, on the first page of this thread)
it looked to me as if he was using the food grade Coconut Oil. (2.5 tsp) as a "cut" for the kief and also as a way to hold it (the kief) solid in the pill caps as to not desolve the pill
but i was just thinking that chocolate would proform in the same matter (solid and room temp, and also easly found EVERYWHERE, and always digestable )
Hello everyone, sorry for the absence! I've been having a rough time with my own health and living situation (confusion with the bank, done fixing their errors, finally just handing the house back over to them at somewhat of a loss), but I'm back! At least for the moment
And I am SO pleased to hear that I've helped some of you, to help so many others.. that's why I'm here.
The below (some of which I've cut from my posts over at a forum, where I spend a bit more time) isn't quite what you asked, but it discusses some similar points, and it's all good stuff to know when picking out your supplies. Mellokitty has the right idea
Ideally you should be breaking down your glandular material in a pure oil source. This is why, when using butter, it's recommended that you use clarified or 'ghee'. Water reduces the efficiency of the breakdown, extending the time it takes to promote the highest bioavailability. Water was once widely utilized as an old-fashioned attempt at temperature control, which can be accomplished -better- in a double boiler, by not only eliminating the need to dilute the oil with water, but by not subjecting the material directly to the heat source... without that protective layer, mixed-water or no, this damages the product. When water is blended, it requires either a longer processing time and degradation of some material and more terpene content, or halting before the breakdown is entirely complete. This results in the brackish, butter-waters, with the moderately oily, but still-solid glandular material sinking to the bottom of the separated water (as it does when making ice hash)... I've seen many tragic recipes, encouraging people to dispose of this 'waste water'. When people are still resistant and cling to the old ways, I encourage them to at the very least incorporate the brackish water into the recipe. This includes much more of the (for many) less pleasant, inert plant matter.. when potency could otherwise be achieved, without water-washing your butter or oil, if the water had not been used in the first place.
The above does not entirely apply here (hash/herb oil), but it's the same idea with using a store-bought chocolate minus the effort of straining the herb. The glandular breakdown will still require much more effort, in which case it's a matter of heat and time, over potency achieved versus potential degradation. Just like exposing it to heat, light and air can degrade the potency, there is a reasonable limit in which it should be processed, and it is also why sealing your container well is crucial. This helps to contain any potential vital terpenes and delicate cannabinoids in the form of unwanted vapor. The process does not need to smell up your home; the better you contain it, directly coincides with the potency of the end-oil.
(herb, and hash)
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Originally Posted by Disco Stu
Recipes look great. Thanks for posting. I have a capsule related question for BadKat or anyone else: why not just pack loose hash or finely ground herb into the capsules? Does preparing it in oil or butter actually increase potency or absorption? Thanks!
No problem
(Part of the below is an excerpt from a recent PM, covering the same topic)
The reason you wouldn't just pack loose hash or herb into a capsule, is because grinding up herb, and tossing it into a recipe (or worse, a capsule), is not how you make an edible. It's close to the 'worst-case-scenario' edibles, such as firecrackers, made by folks who for whatever reason have little to no access to a kitchen or the supplies required to make a proper edible, but even those have a higher oil content, and require a longer cooking time.
Cannabis glandular material is notoriously difficult for the body to digest, break down and absorb, under normal circumstances. This is why we unfortunately have so many failed edible stories. It's not as simple as just tossing ground material into a recipe, the little amount that is made available to your system in that way, requires a huge dose, when compared to a properly made oil.
You need to first activate, then more importantly, spend the necessary time breaking down the glandular material in a pure oil source, ideally an oil source such as coconut oil, olive oil, or grapeseed oil should be used for best results, then 'ghee' or clarified butter, and finally, standard kitchen butter.
Decarbxylation 'activates' your cannabinoids. Decarboxylation removes the carboxyl group in the form of carbon dioxide and water vapor, converting cannabinoids from their inactive acids, to their more potent (and active) delta forms. This would normally occur when you apply heat to either smoke, or vape your canna, activating then breaking it down to be absorbed, via inhalation.
The time you spend processing, is time your body simply does not have to break down and absorb such resistant material; in other words, you want it to enter your system in an already bioavailable form.
This makes the difference between a patient enduring a 2 - 3 hour onset, and only a mild buzz from over an entire gram of material (for 'quickie butters' and toss-in raw edibles), to a fast 20 - 25 minute, often intensely cerebral onset, and long-lasting medicinal and almost narcotic sensations, from as little as 0.25g or less material, depending on your tolerance and digestion. Ideally when taking an individuals dose into consideration, failing or altered digestion aside (which can inhibit uptake), you should not be able to consume more than you would smoke in a single session if you're an average smoker, or a day if you're a heavy user.
And for especially heavy users, using quarters to halfs, and more per day, a bioavailable edible oil made using the lecithin liposomal encapsulation technique, known to be more effective than the Bioperine used by Cannabrex, (liposomal encapsulation is used in pharmaceuticals for improving uptake and bioavailability in everything from Vit. C, to prescription painkillers, due to the fact ir provides almost the equivalent of an intravenous application) can drastically reduce you're required intake in all regards, besides the simple desire to smoke for pleasure. I use this in all edible oil processing; it saves patients their income, or provides them more of the medicine they need, by putting the same quantity to much more efficient use. "
Hope this helps
And again, it thrills me to know that folks are helping people with this information.... when even a single patient is feeling better, and more active, and 'alive' again, it adds to the quality of my own life. It's what I'm here to do. Ten years ago I thought A.) our movement and community could -never- have come this far, in such a short amount of time, and B.) that I simply wouldn't live to see the day.
The same information here, very probably saved my life, and at the very least it's saved my quality of life. I truly believe that. I'm alive and, shaky finances aside, I'm living more comfortably than I ever thought my health would allow.
So to hear that some of you are putting yourselves out there, and you're contributing on a mass scale as well, and to hear of all the good you're doing... It gets me a little emotional
) Thank you for all the kind replies, and your questions.. I promise that when I have more time, I'll come back and reply individually. I'm not trying to leave anyone out. 
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