Balls to the Wall grow, Riddleme Gets Serious

riddleme

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naw they are all pretty small this time, one strain got a disease and lost all it's leaves the other strain is in experiment mode testing the defoilation crap out will be writing a ditty on it soon but can tell ya that removing leaves makes smaller buds thing I always say is now proven with pics comming

and sorry to all for being away so much but the good news is it's because of a new lady in my life :)
 

cowboylogic

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naw they are all pretty small this time, one strain got a disease and lost all it's leaves the other strain is in experiment mode testing the defoilation crap out will be writing a ditty on it soon but can tell ya that removing leaves makes smaller buds thing I always say is now proven with pics comming

and sorry to all for being away so much but the good news is it's because of a new lady in my life :)

You old dog you! Good for you. Wish you both years of happiness.

And as far as 'cut your fans. cut your yield.' I dont know if we will ever actually drive that point home. Just cutting a few is all it takes to reduce your yield.
 

kingofqueen

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Congrats on the new lady Riddleme ! The defoilation experiment will be interesting to see . I never understood why people do that , alot of times I have big fanleaves blocking buds i just train them to the side , I have noticed that the green on the bud being blocked will be pale in color . But I only clip leaves at the bottom that are blocking me from watering or wont stay out of the dirt . I think fan leaves should be thought of as "solar cells " collecting energy for the plant , why downsize your solar field ? More power baby ! not less !
Hope your experiment proves some interesting points . I'm going to clip a sample bud tonight and run it through my box to see what kinda results I get , hope it turns out gooey yummy like yours !
 

riddleme

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There are gonna be times when we, as growers, have problems. The truth here is that the newer the grower the bigger the panic. I love this plant just as much as any grower (or smoker) but when ya have a problem ya gotta decide whether to try and fix it or cut your loses and start over?

In my current case it just so happens that a I just had a good harvest so the lower yields is not a problem. and I was invited to read a thread (over 100 pages) on another site about defoiliation technique for higher yields. It was a good thread, good info but somewhat misrepresented, our own Dave C was there and contributed some good post (as he does) with some good questions. Now if you take away the notion that this will give you higher yields and look at the technique as a management technique like LST'ing then I believe it has merit and will do it in the next round to see that for myself. Because I came away from reading the thread with the notion that it is the set up using this technique that gives the potential higher yield from a smaller plant, and note the smaller plant part because the reality of the OP's info was he does this to train the plants to his growspace. IMO I believe it could be very useful used on sativas to tighten internode spacing and reduce the stretch,,,which is the intent of the technique (note it adds a few weeks to your veg time) here is the thread, http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174163 if anybody wants to read it.

When I put the tomato cages on my current plants I believe it introduced a bad bacteria to the root system (though it could have been caused by rust?) the reason I think bacteria is because adding H2O2 seemed to fix it, but after all the leaves had died. You'll be able to see that new growth is green and healthy and I plan on re-veggin em after harvest now that they are healthier. This disease only affected the NL Special (tilders) the #1's are completely healthy note I have 2 small tilders that did not get cages and they are healthy as well though small :) it is quite obvious that the buds are much smaller on these recoverering plants with no leaves.

The intended actual experiment was done on the 3 #1's and I totally did this to prove the point. In that thread growers were talking about removing leaves on the 21st and 45th day of flowering and that is what I did. I have 3 #1's, all clones from DD (who was my highest yielder) on one I removed all but the sugar leaves, on the second I removed only the larger fan leaves and one I left alone. In the pics you can clearly see that the one I left alone has a 12 inch cola the other 2 are 6 and 7 inches. you can also clearly see that the one with no leaves is making light airy buds, which I found interesting as the posters of this technique claimed that it tightened up the lower popcorn buds, now to be fair these plants have 3 more weeks to go :)

IMO the myth is busted but I will watch em and report until they are done

I also included some bud porn for your viewing pleasure,,,,,,,Enjoy
 

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cgrizzle3

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I think you should never cut them, only when they get brittle enough to pull off easily, should they go...
You old dog you! Good for you. Wish you both years of happiness.

And as far as 'cut your fans. cut your yield.' I dont know if we will ever actually drive that point home. Just cutting a few is all it takes to reduce your yield.
 

bigman4270

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Glad to see the result's of the experiment. Proof is in the pudding as they say although I was convinced wothout seeing them. Maybe now they will believe and that's cool too. Everyone is entitled to there own beliefs but it's to bad for them because they are obviously missing out in the end.

Thank's for all you do and congrats on the good fortune thats come your way.

Peace

Big
 

Illumination

New Member
There are gonna be times when we, as growers, have problems. The truth here is that the newer the grower the bigger the panic. I love this plant just as much as any grower (or smoker) but when ya have a problem ya gotta decide whether to try and fix it or cut your loses and start over?

In my current case it just so happens that a I just had a good harvest so the lower yields is not a problem. and I was invited to read a thread (over 100 pages) on another site about defoiliation technique for higher yields. It was a good thread, good info but somewhat misrepresented, our own Dave C was there and contributed some good post (as he does) with some good questions. Now if you take away the notion that this will give you higher yields and look at the technique as a management technique like LST'ing then I believe it has merit and will do it in the next round to see that for myself. Because I came away from reading the thread with the notion that it is the set up using this technique that gives the potential higher yield from a smaller plant, and note the smaller plant part because the reality of the OP's info was he does this to train the plants to his growspace. IMO I believe it could be very useful used on sativas to tighten internode spacing and reduce the stretch,,,which is the intent of the technique (note it adds a few weeks to your veg time) here is the thread, http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174163 if anybody wants to read it.

When I put the tomato cages on my current plants I believe it introduced a bad bacteria to the root system (though it could have been caused by rust?) the reason I think bacteria is because adding H2O2 seemed to fix it, but after all the leaves had died. You'll be able to see that new growth is green and healthy and I plan on re-veggin em after harvest now that they are healthier. This disease only affected the NL Special (tilders) the #1's are completely healthy note I have 2 small tilders that did not get cages and they are healthy as well though small :) it is quite obvious that the buds are much smaller on these recoverering plants with no leaves.

The intended actual experiment was done on the 3 #1's and I totally did this to prove the point. In that thread growers were talking about removing leaves on the 21st and 45th day of flowering and that is what I did. I have 3 #1's, all clones from DD (who was my highest yielder) on one I removed all but the sugar leaves, on the second I removed only the larger fan leaves and one I left alone. In the pics you can clearly see that the one I left alone has a 12 inch cola the other 2 are 6 and 7 inches. you can also clearly see that the one with no leaves is making light airy buds, which I found interesting as the posters of this technique claimed that it tightened up the lower popcorn buds, now to be fair these plants have 3 more weeks to go :)

IMO the myth is busted but I will watch em and report until they are done

I also included some bud porn for your viewing pleasure,,,,,,,Enjoy
Beautiful buds and good to know that we were correct...that's one thing folks...you not gonna bs RM3..He and UB KNOW THEIR SHIT:clap:

And RM3 will prove or disprove it. Hat's off once again Teach...:clap:

Namaste' :leaf:
 

Illumination

New Member
Glad to see the result's of the experiment. Proof is in the pudding as they say although I was convinced wothout seeing them. Maybe now they will believe and that's cool too. Everyone is entitled to there own beliefs but it's to bad for them because they are obviously missing out in the end.

Thank's for all you do and congrats on the good fortune thats come your way.

Peace

Big
Where's the Y's? LOL.... That shit is hard to do..lol

I quit too...for now:twisted:

Namaste'
 

gumball

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its funny riddleme, i was just checking on this thread and looked to see if you been around, and wouldnt you know your looking on this thread right now too. :D hope you doing well and all is good for ya :weed:
 
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