Banning Plastic Shopping Bags

Red1966

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I love me my free trash bags. And if you've left a plastic grocery bag in the sun for a few months, you'll know that their contribution to any ocean débris is zero. cn
Plastic bags fall apart due to UV light. They are somewhat protected in the ocean. They last more than a few months. Even a few months is long enough for sea creatures to swallow them, especially sea turtles, and die from them blocking their digestive tracts.
 

Saltrock

Active Member
i am anti-garbage. i am pro-plastic. plastic is awesome, super useful, and really handy. but i use cloth shopping bags usually. i prefer them. whiskey bottles dont poke out and fall to the street at 40mph when im riding home on my motorbike when i use my backpack instead of shitty LDPE shopping bags. i consider broken whiskey in the street a tragedy.
Yes plastic is nice and handy, but it's the accumulative effect plastic will have on this earth. I shop with a cloth bag myself.

i am arguing against the hyperbolic and deceptive fake science evidenced by the OP, the shitty garbage island boat tour video, and the various internet documentaries which deliberatley falsify evidence for shock value "for our own good" if the truth isnt scary enough, why does the lie become necessary to sell the agenda?
Fine there may be documents that create more of a shock value by manipulating and editing video. Doesn't mean the lie or half truth can't become the truth in some situations. Just cause it is not effecting you at the moment, doesn't mean it's not happening.

reasonable regulation to reduce pollution and improve water, air and soil quality is good. over-reaching insane wacky kneejerk reactions are bad.
I agree. But way too much plastic is ending up in our landfills and in our oceans. And the problem may not be big enough to actually sound any alarms at the moment. To be honest I think the alarms are sounding loud. Someone with a half of a brain can realize that broken down microplastic in the ocean can't be good. The sad thing we don't really have a alternative to plastic.

the IDEA is not hogwash, but the exaggeration is insane. i recycle everything i can, i pick up other asshole's litter when i go gold panning or hiking and pack it out, and i dispose of my used oil properly. sometimes a plastic shopping bag is helpful. i will not crucify myself for using them.
Yeah I am the same minus the gold panning. I want to go gold panning. Love watching gold rush.

government is OFTEN the problem, not the solution. and the trash island does not exist. it is a fiction created to make you feel guilty, afraid and ashamed. the same emotions used by dogmatic religions to control their flock. if you let them controll you like a sheep, dont be surprised when you get sheared.
I have to disagree. The name "Island" I think is a term of scale and may not be visible from a video stand point. But I am sure if you go out in that area in person you might have a different outlook. I don't understand if a decent amount of our garbage ends up in the ocean, then why would it be so unrealistic we have floating plastic and garbage flowing in our oceans circular cycle? Can you find a scientist that is in that field that says different?

All that being said, at the end of the day nothing will be done. People will continue to litter and abuse the earth and there is nothing we can do about it. 30-40 years from now our oceans will be so toxic we can't eat the fish, probably some species will be extinct. Bummer

Peace
Salt
 

Doer

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shot callers, false claiming snitch , is some mark ass trick shit, no stitches just chalk art

most of you priveilaged mofos will never know what jail is like

i can still smell the lisol generic cleaning solution that everything smelled like . . . . .. .
The puke green color, not much light....fire hose washed cell floors, reeking humidity and heat...the stench. Loud, constant LOUD. Bull queers. Constant violence to visit the doctor....boooorrrrring stultification, but can't rest or relax
 

Samwell Seed Well

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The puke green color, not much light....fire hose washed cell floors, reeking humidity and heat...the stench. Loud, constant LOUD. Bull queers. Constant violence to visit the doctor....boooorrrrring stultification, but can't rest or relax
oh my fucking god, stop, on the nose(so to speak) man i hated jail

the constant noise was the worst, never a moment, ear plugs and a wall facing the rest of your area is a must
 

Samwell Seed Well

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i am, it may have saved my life


but Nobel Prize winners assistants wouldnt know anything about life, just take orders . . .mop this . . .coffee that. . . . lie to Rollitup about status in life cause your(you are) such a pathetic loser . .you know a regular day as red1966
 

Dr Kynes

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Yes plastic is nice and handy, but it's the accumulative effect plastic will have on this earth. I shop with a cloth bag myself.

but it's YOUR choice. if somebody passes legislation that bans cloth bags as a health risk, will you switch to the "safer" paper sacks because they demand it? but then, what about the trees? now you must buy a $50 steel mesh bag every time you buy anything, and return them for a $20 deposit so they can be sanitized in an autoclave and be re-used?

Fine there may be documents that create more of a shock value by manipulating and editing video. Doesn't mean the lie or half truth can't become the truth in some situations. Just cause it is not effecting you at the moment, doesn't mean it's not happening.

the entire eco-movement is based on outright lies crafted "for your own good" like:
Silent Spring. the book that started it all, 100% fiction disguised as real science. it took 20 years before that shit was discredited but it's still part of the syllabus today.
The Population Bomb: more pure fiction,, the author invented every single datapoint, and still didnt get the math right. according to this turd, the earth now has 250 billion people and we have to eat babies to stay alive.
Earth In The Balance: al gore before he became a movie star. the earth will be doomed if we dont ban the internal combustion engine within 10 years... 20 years ago.
and many many more.

I agree. But way too much plastic is ending up in our landfills and in our oceans. And the problem may not be big enough to actually sound any alarms at the moment. To be honest I think the alarms are sounding loud. Someone with a half of a brain can realize that broken down microplastic in the ocean can't be good. The sad thing we don't really have a alternative to plastic.

yes we do. corn starch based plastics or good old fashioned cellophane, which is made from cellulose (the main ingredient in hemp stalks) but sadly these cost more, and dont use the cheap disposable crap left over from refining oil for industrial feedstocks.

Yeah I am the same minus the gold panning. I want to go gold panning. Love watching gold rush.

you can gold pan anyplace in america, but your odds are low if you dont know where to look or how to find the gold. plus its mostly gonna be flake and dust, not fat nuggets. what state you in?


I have to disagree. The name "Island" I think is a term of scale and may not be visible from a video stand point. But I am sure if you go out in that area in person you might have a different outlook. I don't understand if a decent amount of our garbage ends up in the ocean, then why would it be so unrealistic we have floating plastic and garbage flowing in our oceans circular cycle? Can you find a scientist that is in that field that says different?

most people who sail through it dont even realize it's there. almost all of the big stuff gets kicked out and winds up making landfall. the stuff captain planet was whinging on was tiny flakes of plastic drifting between thermal layers, its not even on the surface where sunlight breaks it down into component molecules, or where the wind can send it to shore. youll find more trash on a beach than you will in any square mile of the ocean. even a clean beach.

All that being said, at the end of the day nothing will be done. People will continue to litter and abuse the earth and there is nothing we can do about it. 30-40 years from now our oceans will be so toxic we can't eat the fish, probably some species will be extinct. Bummer

Peace
Salt
more likely 30 years from now the same story will be circulating with the same doomsday scenarios, and nobody will be able to explain why it didnt happpen last time. like why we didnt have that new ice age predicted in the 70's instead we had "global warming" untilll the trend reversed again and now we have "global climate we dont even know whats going on but we recommend abject panic change"
 

Red1966

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i am, it may have saved my life but Nobel Prize winners assistants wouldnt know anything about life, just take orders . . .mop this . . .coffee that. . . . lie to Rollitup about status in life cause your(you are) such a pathetic loser . .you know a regular day as red1966
Poor baby, forced to lie about me again? It's been two or three weeks since I asked you to quote where I said I was a Nobel prize winner's assistant. How do you KNOW I might be lying about my status in life? Just wishful thinking I suspect. I don't count being incarcerated as an achievement, but you do. So who's a pathetic loser?
 

doublejj

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I've switched to paper bags. And try to re-use them. They are bio-degradable & made from trees. You remember trees? They used to make a lot of stuff out of them, until the oil industry came up with plastic!.........Trees we can re-grow & there aren't many paper sacks floating around the oceans. There are naturally trees floating around the oceans. They can re-grow forests at an amazing rate today using GMO timber stocks.........nevermind I probably shouldn't go there!
 

Red1966

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I've switched to paper bags. And try to re-use them. They are bio-degradable & made from trees. You remember trees? They used to make a lot of stuff out of them, until the oil industry came up with plastic!.........Trees we can re-grow & there aren't many paper sacks floating around the oceans. There are naturally trees floating around the oceans. They can re-grow forests at an amazing rate today using GMO timber stocks.........nevermind I probably shouldn't go there!
Timber farms don't have anywhere near the biodiversity of "natural" forests.
 

doublejj

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I'm not suggesting we harvest natural forests, there's lot's of tree farms. Let's re-energize the US timber industry? Good paying American jobs! In a re-newable resouce.
Thank god they haven't come up with plastic toilet paper!
 

Samwell Seed Well

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Poor baby, forced to lie about me again? It's been two or three weeks since I asked you to quote where I said I was a Nobel prize winner's assistant. How do you KNOW I might be lying about my status in life? Just wishful thinking I suspect. I don't count being incarcerated as an achievement, but you do. So who's a pathetic loser?
i did . .just because you pull the "see no evil hear no evil say no evil" routine every time i define my reasoning for thinking your just a pompous ass who cradles his job as his status in life . . . doesn't mean i haven't expressed how/why i think what i do, and the continued refusal to acknowledged my interpretation only lends more credit to my assumption being true based on your choice of words, you have no substance . . . . and definitely have no credibility as a worker bee on the same drone status as a Nobel prize winner, even citing that you work with them is a posture that bleeds of validation for something we can never know for sure

in other words you are a try hard who falls short in every category but your lies . . . your lies are well constructed but have no substance at all on the surface, and in the end only are a show of fake/contrived status

and the fact that you still cannot recognize that the phrase"working with" Nobel prize winners and your basic demeanor and lack of refinement make you a lowly assistant, imho, and not a colleague, your views on race and politics speak louder then any bit of conjecture you have to offer . . .you are low class and we all know it . . . .
 

Red1966

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i did . .just because you pull the "see no evil hear no evil say no evil" routine every time i define my reasoning for thinking your just a pompous ass who cradles his job as his status in life . . . doesn't mean i haven't expressed how/why i think what i do, and the continued refusal to acknowledged my interpretation only lends more credit to my assumption being true based on your choice of words, you have no substance . . . . and definitely have no credibility as a worker bee on the same drone status as a Nobel prize winner, even citing that you work with them is a posture that bleeds of validation for something we can never know for sure in other words you are a try hard who falls short in every category but your lies . . . your lies are well constructed but have no substance at all on the surface, and in the end only are a show of fake/contrived status and the fact that you still cannot recognize that the phrase"working with" Nobel prize winners and your basic demeanor and lack of refinement make you a lowly assistant, imho, and not a colleague, your views on race and politics speak louder then any bit of conjecture you have to offer . . .you are low class and we all know it . . . .
^^^^You're right because "you're right", insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, insult, then state I AM an asistant? How does my ridicule of your self serving assumptions lend them any credence? The views on race and politics you falsely ascribe to me are no more valid than your self serving "interpretations" You try to dismiss my statements by falsely claiming I am a racist, but can't actually argue with what I say, just with statements you falsely claim I said. I don't claiming being incarcerated as an achievement, while you do, and I'm low class? Get real. Not a single capital letter in your whole post. Who does that remind me of?
 

ChesusRice

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I've switched to paper bags. And try to re-use them. They are bio-degradable & made from trees. You remember trees? They used to make a lot of stuff out of them, until the oil industry came up with plastic!.........Trees we can re-grow & there aren't many paper sacks floating around the oceans. There are naturally trees floating around the oceans. They can re-grow forests at an amazing rate today using GMO timber stocks.........nevermind I probably shouldn't go there!
I hear they really speed up the process of drying certain herbs
 
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