been flowering since 9/4 and now i need help really bad guys

ok my grow medium - 75% Botanicare Coco Coir (I filled 4 gallon jugs with water and added 2ml[1 tsp] to each one and rinsed the holy bejesus out of it before use.
- 25% organic perlite
This lady is in a 5 gallon smart pot( transplanted from a 3 gal smartie the other day. What a nightmare that was, I'm still blowing coco out of my buds with a computer duster days later.)

threw some mykos and some lime(which also has cal/mag in it, though not a complete 100% value)

cfll lights all 26w 150w eq except for 1 soft white that is 40w 200 w eq and one dalylight that is the same. I also have some very low wattage(low heat) soft white cfls on the bottom areas.

excellent ventilation. Ive got an inline going straight out the top like a chimney exhausting to the attic. I've got a clip fan just under the lights blowing the hot air up and I have a 6" HVAC hose coming out of a window unit directly into the box. My high temp just below the lights is 75. Humidity stays between 45-60, usually in the 50s somewhere.

As for nutes Im using the foxfarm trio w cal mag and occasionally a drop of superthrive even though I think it's fake ass nonsense. But hey so is religion but prayer can't hurt right? Oh yeah, and the mykos(awesome shit look into it noobs, im a noob myself don't feel insulted.)I'm running the foxfarm schedule but as for the cal mag I have NEVER, may I repeat, NEVER watered this girl with anything less than 2 ml per gallon. Sometimes I throw 4 but don't go too far beyond that because of lack of experience.

OK so I guess that's it for growing conditions for the most part. Now onto my problem. The first pic. This is scaring me pretty bad. Now from what I've researched what I've got here is either a calcium deficiency, mag deficiency, or ph imbalance causing lockout. So here's what I've don't to make it worse somehow:

I used to use a ph kit from a pet store for aquariums, I figured it was ok, probably is. Anyway I know hydroponic grown herb likes acidity, but I found it really strange when I ended up having to use 14 drops of ph up just to get a 6.5. I had been doing it like that the whole time and developed this nonsense, so what I did was stop phing so much.. Left it a little more acidic(like 6.0) and flushed that baby like a toilet. Now its FUCKING WORSE!!! even after a second feeding. So the point of this thread could have been summarized in one sentence, "you much calmag do you use per gallon and what do you ph your hydro to?" but with all the other nutes, and the fact I have to feed every watering makes that blanket statement too generic. So I suppose this is a "has this ever happened to you and what did you do to fix it?" thread. My next move is to water with about 6.2 and see what the ph is after it goes throught the rootball. I hypothesize that adding the dolomite lime to an acid loving plant was fucking stupid and that might be the cause of it all, but I only added likt 4 tbsp. at most to each entire brick of coir.

There are two bright sides to this though. 40 days into flower with some ok fluffy nugs but WAAAAY more sugar leaves than I would like, and those look nitrogen toxic but don't have burns, but the bright side is I believe I'll make it. I'm aftraid to see what these buds will weigh dry though. Anyone know how to change sugarleaf production into bud production? Would doing a little defol help the way lollipopping concentrates the growth to the upper stalks? My reasoning behind that thought is maybe if you trimmed some sugarleafs the plant would put more energy into bud. I do like those trichomes though, and Ive got three females in my flower box now that should put together some good water hash when its ove.The second bright side is that this plant exists. How about weed for some cool shit huh?

One last thing. Those leaves with the brown spots.. there are like 8 of them at the most. All fans but some that are those kinda leaves that are like half fan have sugar, basically just small fan leaves on buds. They are all concentrated in the center of the plant. I topped one time and ended up with 11 flowering branches(even after lollipopping the lowers) going in a circle and all these shitstained nitro deficient leaves are in the very center. Honestly I wouldn't mine them dying to let more light and air in there but I don't want it to spread around.

vostok said:

Advanced nute burn ...this is serious,
the real issue here is you,
you have made way to many assumptions based on incorrect evaluations
Flush your plants then flush again in 5 days time to my blog:
https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/flush-baby-flush.30160/

avoid any feeding until harvest, if you feel they need a feed ...Don't
although you have not mentioned the strain,
I'm of the opinion that the red stems are cause its too cold at night and your fan is to high,
there is not a enough light to completely finish these plants, sure you will get some bud, but more light here means more bud
ensure that 75% of the light is of 2700k or warm white, if cfl's is all you got keep them close to within 1-2 inches adjust daily

most important look to getting better lights

again to my blog:
https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/understanding-red-stems.30159/

https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/12-week-grow-sceneario-by-jorge-cervantas.30164/

https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/a-collection-of-diy-ghetto-blasters.30154/ ​

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ok man Im listening but you understand that coco coir has no nutrients in it so you have to feed 'something' every watering right? I figure Ive got 4 waterings before harvest. Right now the tentative plan after you're advice is to do a plain water watering. then cal mag, then one more before plain watering just to keep it moist before the flush. But advanced nute burn you say? that's odd when im growing in an inert medium and only adding half of the recommended nutes, other than the micronutes and calmag. Its also odd that Ive talked to about 14 people about this and every one ofd them said calcium or mag deficiency from ph lockout. From my limited experience with a couple grows under my belt I recognize burnt tips as the first sign of overfeeding. These don't have burnt tips With all due respect, and I do thank you for the generous reply, I am going see what some other opinions are before I do anything crazy. My typical nute cycle is 2.5-3 ml of MIcronutrients(big bloom), 1.5 ml of a vegging fert that I am discontinuing now, and maybe 3 ml of bloom which is 2-9-4. also average 2 ml of cal mag. Not exactly overfeeding territory when consider how inert the medium is. And just so you know I haven't read your links yet but im about to get into them.

But just to make it absolutely clear look at these pics. the third is my plant. Coco is notorious for having to be seriously fortified with calcium and magnesium you can't grow shit. This pics illustrate I believe that what I've got is a deficiency rather than an overfeeding. No burnt tips. Only 8 leaves out of like 40 have this and they're all right in the middle. Maybe a place where the roots aren't absorbing like they should. but lets not be negative nancys here. these buds are rich with trichomes and if I gently pinch on a bud and put my fingers together its like fly strips. Did I mention this was Mexican brick shit bud btw, so im happy. 4 bucks maybe bought me an ounce of sensi.

And I would love to run some HID's but I don't want the power to draw attention. I have three AC units in that room already. I think next step will be 2 180w led ufos with some high wattage cfls for supplemental lighting. Like the big ass ones. Maybe then goodbye fluffiness.

One thing I will say is that the sugar leafs are dark green as shit but other than that and being covered with trichs there's no burns or anything on those either. I'm running my lips too much I want to hear what others have to say. I mean you said 'avoid feeding at all until harvest,' and I don't even know what that means because there wouldn't be a harvest if your plant starved to death before the 6th shute. Btw if I sound sarcastic or dickish I don't mean to be, just having fun learning. Also thanks again for replying man but if you're right and I'm wrong on this I will owe you a coke that's for sure.

You know it's snake oil so why buy it?

You know religion is fake but yet, your praying.

What a Hypocrit.

after looking at my pic I must take back the part about not having burnt tips, because they obviously do, but I think those have been there from an earlier stage of life. But the bottom line here my darth maul avatar'd friend is that this is not a soil grow. You have to feed plants that don't get nutrients from the soil. C02 water and sunlight isn't enough for you and me (it apparently is for these folks though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia } and its not enough for the evil weed either. I started another thread a few weeks ago and the topic was "do I add calmag while flushing coco," and not only did I get a resounding YES but also to add a regular feeding cycle to the flush. strange I know, and possible misinformation which may have caused this fuckup in the first place but several ppl said it so I went with it

ULEN said:

You know it's snake oil so why buy it?

You know religion is fake but yet, your praying.

What a Hypocrit.

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I don't pray, but I do joke. And I pray for the day the wold have a few less dumb cunts like yourself good sir. Im an atheist so prayer isn't exactly part of my routine until now that I found someone obviously so troubled that they felt the need to post vitriol on my thread. To be happy you must only understand your mind. I don't think you understand.

Asfar as snake oil thrive have you never heard the expression "don't diss it until you try it" how bout that fuckface! lhahahahahahahahhahhahahhaahhahabhhbahha

..ps - don't respond anymore to my posts. this is a thread for learning not for random douchebag chime-ins ok thanks

If you know that you're doing hydroponic your ph is way to alkaline, you should be at 5.8, not 6.5, that could be your problem, I grow hydro and try never to go beyond 5.8 to 5.85, that's just me but Ive never had any problems in the years I've been growing.

DeeTee said:

If you know that you're doing hydroponic your ph is way to alkaline, you should be at 5.8, not 6.5, that could be your problem, I grow hydro and try never to go beyond 5.8 to 5.85, that's just me but Ive never had any problems in the years I've been growing.

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Thanks DeeTee, I KNOW you're right. I guess I was thrown by my first grow, which I did with the best resources available (this is sarcasm, had to say that before ULEN calls me a name) Miracle gro soil, miracle gro perlite(both with time released fert. too small containers and gnats and mites and good god I'm glad that's over. Speaking of which I have 7 going righ now since august and not a pest to be seen anywhere.. which is awesome. when I repotted and fed nothing but plain 7.0 or higher (bc as im sure you know miracle gro should be called "acid bath") everything righted itself. I'm running a small cfl setup, that plant had 4 flowering branches and I got 9 dry grams out of it. Wohoo right? honestly I looked at that one as more of a trial run, but I guess if you're still learning they all are.

what do you think about this other stuff of an overfeeding reaction rather than a ph lockout? I should never have added that lime I guess. And I have 5 more 5 gallon buckets full of the stuff: lime, mykos, and all. And do you think that PHing some plain water to a 5.5 would throw things in a better direction. I'm all about opinions and trying to figure this out man, if you wanna learn sometimes you've got to take some bad medicine.

yeah wabg deetee said plus don't add lime to coco and don't ad cal mag either. You will.end up getting cal and potassium lock out. Calcium binds to coco. Not releasing it. So constantly adding cal will cause nute lock.

hyroot said:

yeah wabg deetee said plus don't add lime to coco and don't ad cal mag either. You will.end up getting cal and potassium lock out. Calcium binds to coco. Not releasing it. So constantly adding cal will cause nute lock.

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ok so basically you're saying throw a plain acidy ph'd watering every now an then. But as far as "don't add cal mag to coco".. Just for fun I called atlantis hydroponics, and he says you're wrong about that. So does everyone I have ever spoken to on this board until today. "HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY!?" to quote Walter Sobchek.

ebenezerfagglegold said:

ok so basically you're saying throw a plain acidy ph'd watering every now an then. But as far as "don't add cal mag to coco".. Just for fun I called atlantis hydroponics, and he says you're wrong about that. So does everyone I have ever spoken to on this board until today. "HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY!?" to quote Walter Sobchek.

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do you actually think guys at hydro shops know anything. They give the worst advice. So your grow fucks up a d you spend more money to fix it. I interviewed at a hydro shop last year for extra money. The owner didn't like that o do living organics. He was telling me I have to push synths especially advanced nutes. They have 14 different additives and very expensive. I told him I don't support advanced or any bottle nute company.

any way its a fact that calcium and mangnesium bind to coco. If any is added it has to be chelated and coco specific. Just any old cal mag will cause issues. Best is to use oyster shell flour imo.

come on here and ask questions before ever asking a hydro shop. Or use google.

mag toxicity will cause cal lock out and vice versa. And potassium lock out. Coco already has trace amounts of mag and cal and more so of potassium. As coco breaks down it releases those nutes.

I agree with hyroot, I have never used any of that stuff, feel it's not needed, bare in mind I've never used coco, from what I read, it seems to be to much trouble, tho I'm sure some will dissagree with me, that's ok, I only use rockwool ( Grodan) grow cubes or hydroton, the only nutes I use is GH Maxi Grow and Maxi Bloom, no additives of any kind, to me that's just a waste of money, all a plant needs is food, not boosters or whatever.

Just opinion, I see that spotting on my avocado leaves that are getting too much shade. I think you're just not getting enough light. I grow, hydro, aero, and soil and if you look at the lockout chart, it looks a little like this:

So get those lights closer or throw a couple more CFLs and get something
more powerful next grow. Get your ph closer to 5.8. I water twice between feedings.
just ph'ed 5.8 ro water, no cal/mag. Bigger plants get more because they need
it, smaller plants get much less, it helps the roots to stretch out seeking moisture
in the coco. Your mileage may vary. Just opinion.

so there is a subset of growers that think about calmag what I sortof think about superthrive. interesting, and I can see how you could think that all grow shops are evil companies running off of the lies of minimum wage employees. Some might be, I know this guy though and trust me - that dude grows nugs as big you're ego

warble said:

Just opinion, I see that spotting on my avocado leaves that are getting too much shade. I think you're just not getting enough light. I grow, hydro, aero, and soil and if you look at the lockout chart, it looks a little like this:

So get those lights closer or throw a couple more CFLs and get something
more powerful next grow. Get your ph closer to 5.8. I water twice between feedings.
just ph'ed 5.8 ro water, no cal/mag. Bigger plants get more because they need
it, smaller plants get much less, it helps the roots to stretch out seeking moisture
in the coco. Your mileage may vary. Just opinion.

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alright. now we've got two on here that are making sense! thanks bud that's very likely, I positiond my lights all around the top big nugs and have three AC units going in one small room to keep it cool in there with those bulbs so close, about one inch. Down where this problem is there's nothing but fan leaves and popcorn. I've got at least 40% red hairs and tons of trichomes on my "good" portions so I think ill make another 4 weeks, even if I just continued the way I've been.

I just wish I could pop an indica out of one of these bag seeds sometime, but so far out of 7 seeds, the three that I've sexed into flower are all females. last time I started 5 ended up with one fem. but a 40 day flowering period would be cool, and I like indicas sOOOOO much better than sativas. I ordered some seeds from sensible seed co, had a friend do it, wanted some og kush. got 'Pure Kush' - does anyone know if that's indica or sativa dominant or if its worth a fuck?

Looks like nute burn.. along with cal mag def.. due to adding more cal mag to your nutes... reason there are 2 and 3 part base nutes is that at higher concentrations like in the bottle they would bind and lock themselves out... looks like your creating this high concentration by adding it to your nutes causeing the cal mag to clump and become unuseable... then you think its not getting fed enough or need to feed everytime for some reason... less is more with nutes.... I assume you have trouble with clean product that burns nicely due to overfeeding... everything I say is an assumption dont take it the wrong way...

Hollywood pure kush is indica... great strain fyi... suge knights kush strain... safe to say its one of the best current kushs out there.... sensible seed co??? Is it gonna be real??? Lol... if its real its the bomb... prob second only to sfv og kush for current kushs... never heard of sensible only reason I question...

shadowseedscanada said:

Hollywood pure kush is indica... great strain fyi... suge knights kush strain... safe to say its one of the best current kushs out there.... sensible seed co??? Is it gonna be real??? Lol... if its real its the bomb... prob second only to sfv og kush for current kushs... never heard of sensible only reason I question...

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yeah ive heard good feedback from people on this site actually. If that pure kush is like that I'm going to clone her into an army. It will be an 'attack of the clones' to keep with the star wars theme that our buddy with the darth maul avatar got rolling in my own mind.

Ok so I did what most people recommended. the water phd to 5.8 water only flush that and when the lights came on this morning it was like a state of emergency it was so much worse. Like I might as well have just flushed it with antifreeze. so judging by this pic do you all think this one will make it or should I harvest early? been flowering since 9/4 unknown strain obviously sativa dominant unknown strain. had a transplant since flowering that didn't seem to stunt much, but this magnesium deficiency has stopped new growth I believe. Most of the hairs are still white and the trichs are a little cloudy, but not that much, though I only have a magnifying glass so I can't see in there too well.

Just saw your pics, before reading anything about your grow, and first thing I thought of was ACID PROBLEM/LOCKOUT. After reading your "story" it confirms it. Get some good water where you don't have to PH UP the hell out of it.

bondoman said:

Just saw your pics, before reading anything about your grow, and first thing I thought of was ACID PROBLEM/LOCKOUT. After reading your "story" it confirms it. Get some good water where you don't have to PH UP the hell out of it.

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I had to ph down 2 drops per gallon. thx genius.