been flowering since 9/4 and now i need help really bad guys

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shadowseedscanada

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Imo when problems are spotted increasing light is usually the quickest way to killing the plant... its already deficient.... increasing its need for those deficiencies..... first fix the prob... imo I would reduce light first and try to fix...
 
howsitgrowin420

howsitgrowin420

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ebenezerfagglegold said:
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The only people I have anything negative to say about are people who strike out negative attacks without any help involved. Sort of like the one you just posted. So to keep it consistent.. fuck your douchebag face you prick!

I always reply and try to thank or at least like the posts be folks giving real help. But I understand this is a medicine and we all aren't mentally sound so I'll keep forgiving the rest of you a holes. toking tiger & bondoman, some of these other pricks on here who's avatar's alone make me want to vomit from douchechills. I'm not a person who is used to being bullied, so coming on here and getting that treatment irritates me, even though I know those that troll are just beta-geeks living in their parents basements at 40 so its sad at another level.
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You are fighting a losing battle with the comments. 90% of the time if you get a negative, or inflammatory comment you can click on the person's name, read the rest of their recent posts, and see that they are looking for arguments....something of which we are all probably guilty at some point or another. As you will probably experience with what I've written, long posts are horribly aversive on here - that's not a criticism so much as it is advice for the future, notice how badly you want me to get to the point as you read the following paragraphs. People won't read what you write, they will skim to what they are looking for and then hone in on all the wrong things as a result. The thread quickly spirals and becomes useless to anyone but the four or five contributors. That being said, here:

My water is the same way - A lot of PH up with my nutes and just a little PH down without it. Advanced Nutrients Pure Concentrate PH Up is pretty economical compared to something like General Hydro base solution, in my experience and opinion. Someone will likely say "why would you spend $20 every year on PH Up when you could use ____insert natural base here_____ for $1, you friggin retard!?" to which I would say, $20 and $1 are both fractional costs in this system, so I'll go with the pretty, marketable bottle that adds credibility to any patient visiting the garden. It works well for me.

Superthrive is the bombdiggity and I say this because I've run out before and noticed differences in growth. I also use it with my outdoor tomatoes early in the season. Just cut it a couple weeks into flower, if not before. I continue using it for two nutrient applications into flower (the first with Open Sesame and the second with the first application of Beastie Blooms). With the waterings in-between, that works out to 2-3 weeks of 12/12. Off topic, but I also 'short change' my girls one Cha Ching dose in favor of an extra Beastie Blooms dose. My strains are icy enough that I prefer to go for as much girth as I can. I read my calendar wrong one time and didn't get any Cha Ching in before switching to straight water. I gave my patients their meds without telling and then asked if they noticed any difference in that batch of blueberry: no sir, delicious and potent as per usual.

I also use Fox Farms (Veg- Grow Big and superthrive) (Flower- Fossil Fuel, Dark Energy, Tiger Bloom, and [whichever soluble for that week]). I alternate with just clean water every other feeding. I grow in ProMixHP (no inherent nutes) and set my PH to 6.8 I had one strain (cheese) that developed the exact same spotting on the lower fan leaves. It didn't happen until late in flower and none of my other strains showed the issue, so I didn't do anything about it. From looking online though, I always thought it was a cal/mag issue and I assumed that because the other strains under the same regimen weren't showing it that is was a deficiency versus a lockout issue. The cheese is no longer in the garden for unrelated reasons.

Your second picture of the most recent photos appeared to have a healthier plant. You know that bright purple vein down the middle of the leaves in your first photos? Looks way better in the second if I'm looking at the same leaves. That though, is a different issue - maybe potassium lockout either from salt buildup or cold temps, if the flush is helping, then I'd wager buildup and lockout. In my experience, the spotting doesn't really recover, it stops getting worse....cutting the worst of it off makes it easier to monitor recovery.

General advice would be not to do too much too quickly. While flushing in the opposite direction is a logical choice to correct an issue, flushing with your desired range is one less variable to throw into the mix all at once. Regarding the grow shops: there's one very close to my house, but I go to the one farther away. The owner is a straight-up and knowledgeable guy. Does he have incentive to sell me expensive things? Yep, and he tried the first time I went in. He pushed a completely new regiment, but one response with direct eye contact of "no thank you" and it is over forever...unless you break eye contact first and then you might as well buy something because you are asking to be swayed Since then, he knows that I walk straight to what I need, when I need it, and I do not try new things unless I am asking for them. My information comes from other people than him, but if our conversation turns to garden issues, it's never like "oh, this will solve that" - I'm just not that customer. He also knows I could get it cheaper online (primarily because I tell him that I could). There always seems to be a 30% cash discount...which is nice...basically, what I'm saying is to know your source. Also, it is a pure fact of business that products develop to meet consumer demand. Business owners and their businesses, though, are shaped by their patrons. I know that the sceevy place close to my house will not produce a single bit of useful information that is not geared toward selling you a product. I also know that they will make up information if it means you will leave the store (I was told BX was the new HP and that you could not get HP anywhere...ok bro.) If anyplace were going to give you bugs in order to sell you pesticides, it would be that place). To the people going to the latter stores, I understand why they are so antagonistic when criticizing those of us who have seasoned growshop owners who don't have any minimum wage employees, or who have quality employees. Thankfully, if we only shop at the quality places - if we demand quality - then only the quality places will survive. In my area there's HTG supply stores all over the place and they are filled with minimum wage employees that don't grow. To the grow shop haters: stop going to the Walmart of the farming macrosystem and support mainstreet at a higher cost.

still general: light, light, light...Add up the actual wattage of your lights and throw in the A/C units. One 400w with a vented hood might be equivalent given the reduced A/C (the ballast on a CFL creates a boatload of heat and you can't put the ballast outside the room/tent like you can with a rig designed for growing) and the USEABLE lumens at a given distance with a quality bulb will be so greatly appreciated by your lady(ies). I have a digital power meter and I can login and see when my lights turn on...so can the utility company...that's why if I didn't live in a medical state I would be planning my move to one. A great trick is to run two flower rooms on opposite schedules: with your total consumption they'd be looking for patterns, it's not like you are running 4 1k lights or anything. Wow, that's a lot of me just writing to read it myself. I am in total violation of the length social convention on RIU. Also, I've covered too many topics for one post and probably didn't even address all of the questions while raising new questions at the same time. Were this the first response to your question I would have responded more pointedly (pointedly is a perfect example of me writing for myself rather than my audience, a big no-no when most of your audience does, as you said, live in their parent's basement and struggles along at a 4th grade level). Good luck man, let your actions have their effects before trying other things.
 
ebenezerfagglegold

ebenezerfagglegold

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howsitgrowin420 said:
You are fighting a losing battle with the comments. 90% of the time if you get a negative, or inflammatory comment you can click on the person's name, read the rest of their recent posts, and see that they are looking for arguments....something of which we are all probably guilty at some point or another. As you will probably experience with what I've written, long posts are horribly aversive on here - that's not a criticism so much as it is advice for the future, notice how badly you want me to get to the point as you read the following paragraphs. People won't read what you write, they will skim to what they are looking for and then hone in on all the wrong things as a result. The thread quickly spirals and becomes useless to anyone but the four or five contributors. That being said, here:

My water is the same way - A lot of PH up with my nutes and just a little PH down without it. Advanced Nutrients Pure Concentrate PH Up is pretty economical compared to something like General Hydro base solution, in my experience and opinion. Someone will likely say "why would you spend $20 every year on PH Up when you could use ____insert natural base here_____ for $1, you friggin retard!?" to which I would say, $20 and $1 are both fractional costs in this system, so I'll go with the pretty, marketable bottle that adds credibility to any patient visiting the garden. It works well for me.

Superthrive is the bombdiggity and I say this because I've run out before and noticed differences in growth. I also use it with my outdoor tomatoes early in the season. Just cut it a couple weeks into flower, if not before. I continue using it for two nutrient applications into flower (the first with Open Sesame and the second with the first application of Beastie Blooms). With the waterings in-between, that works out to 2-3 weeks of 12/12. Off topic, but I also 'short change' my girls one Cha Ching dose in favor of an extra Beastie Blooms dose. My strains are icy enough that I prefer to go for as much girth as I can. I read my calendar wrong one time and didn't get any Cha Ching in before switching to straight water. I gave my patients their meds without telling and then asked if they noticed any difference in that batch of blueberry: no sir, delicious and potent as per usual.

I also use Fox Farms (Veg- Grow Big and superthrive) (Flower- Fossil Fuel, Dark Energy, Tiger Bloom, and [whichever soluble for that week]). I alternate with just clean water every other feeding. I grow in ProMixHP (no inherent nutes) and set my PH to 6.8 I had one strain (cheese) that developed the exact same spotting on the lower fan leaves. It didn't happen until late in flower and none of my other strains showed the issue, so I didn't do anything about it. From looking online though, I always thought it was a cal/mag issue and I assumed that because the other strains under the same regimen weren't showing it that is was a deficiency versus a lockout issue. The cheese is no longer in the garden for unrelated reasons.

Your second picture of the most recent photos appeared to have a healthier plant. You know that bright purple vein down the middle of the leaves in your first photos? Looks way better in the second if I'm looking at the same leaves. That though, is a different issue - maybe potassium lockout either from salt buildup or cold temps, if the flush is helping, then I'd wager buildup and lockout. In my experience, the spotting doesn't really recover, it stops getting worse....cutting the worst of it off makes it easier to monitor recovery.

General advice would be not to do too much too quickly. While flushing in the opposite direction is a logical choice to correct an issue, flushing with your desired range is one less variable to throw into the mix all at once. Regarding the grow shops: there's one very close to my house, but I go to the one farther away. The owner is a straight-up and knowledgeable guy. Does he have incentive to sell me expensive things? Yep, and he tried the first time I went in. He pushed a completely new regiment, but one response with direct eye contact of "no thank you" and it is over forever...unless you break eye contact first and then you might as well buy something because you are asking to be swayed Since then, he knows that I walk straight to what I need, when I need it, and I do not try new things unless I am asking for them. My information comes from other people than him, but if our conversation turns to garden issues, it's never like "oh, this will solve that" - I'm just not that customer. He also knows I could get it cheaper online (primarily because I tell him that I could). There always seems to be a 30% cash discount...which is nice...basically, what I'm saying is to know your source. Also, it is a pure fact of business that products develop to meet consumer demand. Business owners and their businesses, though, are shaped by their patrons. I know that the sceevy place close to my house will not produce a single bit of useful information that is not geared toward selling you a product. I also know that they will make up information if it means you will leave the store (I was told BX was the new HP and that you could not get HP anywhere...ok bro.) If anyplace were going to give you bugs in order to sell you pesticides, it would be that place). To the people going to the latter stores, I understand why they are so antagonistic when criticizing those of us who have seasoned growshop owners who don't have any minimum wage employees, or who have quality employees. Thankfully, if we only shop at the quality places - if we demand quality - then only the quality places will survive. In my area there's HTG supply stores all over the place and they are filled with minimum wage employees that don't grow. To the grow shop haters: stop going to the Walmart of the farming macrosystem and support mainstreet at a higher cost.

still general: light, light, light...Add up the actual wattage of your lights and throw in the A/C units. One 400w with a vented hood might be equivalent given the reduced A/C (the ballast on a CFL creates a boatload of heat and you can't put the ballast outside the room/tent like you can with a rig designed for growing) and the USEABLE lumens at a given distance with a quality bulb will be so greatly appreciated by your lady(ies). I have a digital power meter and I can login and see when my lights turn on...so can the utility company...that's why if I didn't live in a medical state I would be planning my move to one. A great trick is to run two flower rooms on opposite schedules: with your total consumption they'd be looking for patterns, it's not like you are running 4 1k lights or anything. Wow, that's a lot of me just writing to read it myself. I am in total violation of the length social convention on RIU. Also, I've covered too many topics for one post and probably didn't even address all of the questions while raising new questions at the same time. Were this the first response to your question I would have responded more pointedly (pointedly is a perfect example of me writing for myself rather than my audience, a big no-no when most of your audience does, as you said, live in their parent's basement and struggles along at a 4th grade level). Good luck man, let your actions have their effects before trying other things.
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thank you so much firstly for restoring my faith in what I believe the folks who started this board intended it to be used for, but also for taking such time and thought to write that out. The flush seems to have made matters worse, but it could just be that I've got to be a little more patient and watch for a few days, but its pretty rough in there. The thing that keeps me going is that it has affected about 40% of the leaves, so there are still healthy ones there, and the buds haven't been affected, but it definitely seems like I'm stunted right now so I suppose Ill give it another plain watering next time as well and after that maybe a little micronutes but I don't know I think this one is nearing its end so I'm inclined to put water through it from now on until things start attacking my buds or it makes it through and starts pushing bud out again.
 
howsitgrowin420

howsitgrowin420

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Anytime. Things often get worse before they get better, and I'm not just being philosophical here. I haven't used your medium, but with just straight water, your plants have no food and should draw from the fan leaves. When plants draw from their leaves, those leaves look pretty crappy. Always, always, always let them dry out completely. When I first started growing I had the wrong scooper for my solubles...douche....and I ended up feeding at a quarter strength without knowing it. The funny thing was that the plants were beautiful. I'm sure I had lower yields, but it didn't hurt anything visually and I certainly never had burn, as I wasn't maxing out my tiger bloom either. So, I'd probably give some light nutes after they are dry and then switch to your pre-harvest plain water. Go for the full 8 or 9 weeks (or whatever your intentions were) and maybe even a little longer if the trichs and hairs are looking right.
 
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