Benzodiapine Q&A

So I have received a 3 month supply for my 2mg klonopines, and will be getting my xanax (30 2mg) thursday. Lately I've been taking 3 klonopins a day just a bout, but am wondering if I could take more or if Xanax could be taken on top of it. I'm prescribed both klonopins and xanax, as well as:

Wellbutrin XL (300mg)
Paxil CR (37.5mg)
Straterra (100mg)
Seroquel (300mg)

I'm assuming there probably aren't any serious consequences for taking all my meds as prescribed as I do everyday, but how much is too much benzos?

Well I would say use your common fucking sense, obviously ingesting that much of anything on a regular basis isn't good for your body or mind. In the case of benzo's addiction is a serious problem as the addiction can override your sense of common. I wouldn't cease medicating, but talk to your doctor if you think you want to stop and ask about alternatives, if he gives you a wise answer I would walk the fuck out of there.

Personally, I have been diagnosed with GAD, OCD, HPPD and DPD, mild ADD, and schizoidtypal personality disorder and I take no meds 'sides the ganja, mind you I haven't smoked in a few days, and find myself as a fairly functional 18 year old. Maybe a tad anxious, and have some attacks occasionally, but nothing that is completely debilitating. I wouldn't mind trying some benzo's just to see what being calm feels like.

Anyway to answer your question, I think alot of people in america are being filled with much more meds that you. It couldn't be good for them, but probably won't kill them today....

Peace

That is a question for your doctor and no one else. That's a lot of uppers and downers man, I'm assuming its for bi-polar depression or major clinical depression?

Here is the deal with benzos, you can overdose on them, but like opiates, you develop a tolerance over time. If you are taking them as prescribed you should be fine. The main risk is withdrawals, which can result in seizures, so make sure you don't stop taking them without consulting with your doctor.

Seriously though, that question can only be answered by your doc, so talk to him, not a bunch of stoners on an internet forum.

most docs are little more than drug dealers these days.
especially head docs.

its not good mixing alot of meds with seroquel

Seriously though, I'd like to know why you have so many prescriptions for such heavy duty drugs. Its not to judge or anything like that, just an object of sheer curiosity and if you don't want to answer I understand 100%. If you don't want to post it publicly, you could PM me. If my asking is in any way out of line I apologize.

Yeah, i'd go to a doctor that prescibes ayauasca, you could do with the increase in serotonin receptors.

ANC said:

Yeah, i'd go to a doctor that prescibes ayauasca, you could do with the increase in serotonin receptors.

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I'm diagnosed with 'ADHD' and Clinical Depression NOS (Not Otherwise Specified) as well as major anxiety. I've been admitted to the mental hospital once for suicidal/homocidal thoughts. I have a long history of anger issues and violence that I think may be contributing to why I have so many medications.

Your doctor is the only one you should listen to regarding medication. He/she knows your personal case better than any of us, and can tell you what will work for YOU. But heres some info I've found over the years regarding benzos.

I used to take xanax, then switched to Klonopin. I have since stopped, but it was a very rough road, and have personally decided that I'd rather be anxious than go through that again.

Klonopin carries a longer halflife. It kicks in slower and stays longer. It is usually meant to achieve what is called 'Steady State', where your blood recieves a constant supply of the same mgs - providing you with a steady 24/7 state of calm. This way, the patient only needs to take twice daily.

Xanax however kicks in fast and leaves fast. If you are in heavy anxiety, you will need to take a lot more xanax than klonopin to stay afloat. It will kill a panic attack though, like napalm in the jungle

Now pill for pill, klonopin is theoretically just as addictive as xanax. Some will argue that. But since you are taking less Klonopin, the chances of getting hooked are way lower IME. And Benzo withdrawals are the worst.

*****I AM NOT A DOCTOR!! ALL MY INFO COMES FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE ONLY*******

If it were me, I'd get some Strawberry Cough.

Strange how traditional societies useing only plants as medicine had no mental wards hey?
Did you know DMT (the active compound in aya), has been documented to stop things like audio halucinations, depression (i can vouch for that - was manic and morbid before), and a number of other conditions modern medicine wouldn't know how to start addressing. Pills kill, period. Healing people is not financialy viable.

I have dosed someone in the mid of an anxiety attack, the whole shakeing thing.... it was a great victory for him. He seems so much more at peace now.

ANC said:

Strange how traditional societies useing only plants as medicine had no mental wards hey?
Did you know DMT (the active compound in aya), has been documented to stop things like audio halucinations, depression (i can vouch for that - was manic and morbid before), and a number of other conditions modern medicine wouldn't know how to start addressing. Pills kill, period. Healing people is not financialy viable.

I have dosed someone in the mid of an anxiety attack, the whole shakeing thing.... it was a great victory for him. He seems so much more at peace now.

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It all depends on what its for...in traditional cultures, society was far different. You were born a leader or a warrior, and thats what you were no matter how angry you were. A lot of anxiety comes from people who have conditions that aren't well received here in the US of A. Like PTSD. A returning warrior could talk about his experiences and people would revere him. Here, a returning soldier would talk about his experiences and people get scared and put them on these drugs. That makes them feel crazy, and eventually they go crazy because they start to believe they are.

Look at all the veterans who go out and risk their lives for this society, and when they return they are dubbed unfit to work. They are given a meager sum to live off of, and have to deal with the memories of the war alone - because people don't want to hear about problems in the land of gold and green. THAT causes MORE anxiety, and any kind of trip will just open your eyes to that grim truth.

I don't recommend tripping to anyone who is in the middle of a panic attack because of that. And PTSD can be from any number of things...not just war. If its mild social anxiety then maybe you can pull it off....but I doubt you could with any heavy burdens.

ANd thats said with one big "IME"

I see you are still brainwashed, if you believe veterans are doing anything for the sake of society....
someday you may understand, I was raised in the old south africa under apartheid, I know what it feels like to be you.... but after some time the conditioning falls away.

I think its naive of you to say ANC, the soldiers themselves as individuals are probably trying to be a defender of what they know as good, where the role falls apart is how they are manipulated by the powers that be.

Peace

i have klonopins for anxiety, i am allowed three a day, everyday. but i only take them when needed, all they do really is calm my heart down from beating outta my chest n make me tired as hell. i would NOT take more then prescribed tho.

ANC said:

I see you are still brainwashed, if you believe veterans are doing anything for the sake of society....

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I see you are still brainwashed if you believe they are doing NOTHING for the sake of our society.

I come from a long long line of war veterans (I'm not originally from the US), I had family members in every war last century, aside from Korea - many also fought in foreign armies. Very few died, but many were injured.

I have seen them fall apart because people like you make them think they are useless. When the truth of the matter is, they're just hurting from all the damn killing they were a part of, and as thanks, people like you minimize their sacrifice and disrupt their honor.

...and in case you've forgotten...those soldiers killed people with the intentions of protecting people like you. However unjust the government was, don't blame the soldiers. I'd be a sorry bastard to put my life on the line just to be spat at if and when I survived.

I don't mean to argue, brother...but we all have burdens - some bigger than others. Doesn't mean you're better than them, just means you got lucky.

anyway...just thought I'd comment on aya. As powerful a medicine as she is, she's not for everybody. She may cure some things, other things would take many many sessions with an experienced healer to show a sign of improvement (like PTSD). I highly doubt you are a real shaman, though I do agree it is fun to play with mimosa and psychotria

For those who are prescribed heavy doses of medications - you are on them for a reason. If and when you find the strength to break free of them, no matter the burden, then you are ready to try aya. It is a very very powerful journey...if you are prepared.

Peace and Love.

i agree with ANC 100%.
about the soldiers, but thats a discussion for the politics board.


and all those meds will make you worse in the end.
The meds don't fix the problems, they numb you and cover up the problems
In the end the problems are still there, but now with benzo dependency.

Holy mood-altering drug collection, Batman! Be careful with these. 2mg Xanax is a rather high dose. I hope that I don't come off as a downer or naysayer -- what I say is based on my own uncomfortable experience and the research that I did after getting over it. I have taken Xanax "as needed" for anxiety on top of various SSRIs for years, and I now try to use the absolute minimum necessary to avert panic attacks during stressful times.

People realize that benzos are habit-forming, but many don't realize just how dramatic the tolerance/dependence effect is until it's too late and they are already effectively addicted. Studies have shown that if you were to take the same dose of Xanax only once per day, three days in a row, by the fourth day it would already feel less effective to you because of tolerance. Just THREE DAYS! The natural response is to think, "man, this is BS. Just one more won't hurt." Thus, a drug habit can literally be formed in a few days or weeks -- too soon for you to realize what you are getting into.

Also, not to be a drama queen, but I do have to point out the obvious: Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson and others are recent and public examples of deaths that have been attributed (at least partly) to mixing multiple benzos, including Klonopin.

In any event, good luck and best wishes.

Cheers!

dbtwiztid said:

I'm diagnosed with 'ADHD' and Clinical Depression NOS (Not Otherwise Specified) as well as major anxiety. I've been admitted to the mental hospital once for suicidal/homocidal thoughts. I have a long history of anger issues and violence that I think may be contributing to why I have so many medications.

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I'm sorry to hear about the hospitalization, and I hope that you are recieving some form of help from a therapist. Have you considered that your anxeity troubles may be due in part from your ADHD meds? Also, wellbutrin tens to make anxiety worse.

Perhaps you should consider seeking a second opinion, or enlisting the help of psychiatrist if you haven't already. Your meds all seems to contradict one another. Of course, that doesn't mean you should stop taking them and please don't do so based on my statements. I'm just saying, that is a boatload of drugs man, yikes. Don't get carried away with those benzos, and be aware that they are only effective for everyday use for a limited period of time. Good luck to you.

Mr.KushMan said:

I think its naive of you to say ANC, the soldiers themselves as individuals are probably trying to be a defender of what they know as good, where the role falls apart is how they are manipulated by the powers that be.

Peace

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brainwashed.. you are fighting the wars of rich old men...

I also didn't mean to sound mean, I am just stating facts... man we were so programmed over here we burned to go to the army. And most thought what the army did was good etc. and for protection of their families.... Turns out in reality they were just further alienating "the enemy". Today I have the burden of living in africa marked as the offspring of the ex-opressor....there is nothing lucky to see here.

Well the best way to justify war is to subjugate the masses and insight antipathy.

Sorry to hear about your unfortunate situation, but as we do with everything in life I am sure your making the best of it.

Peace