BEST Cheese Strain?

jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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conor c said:
When was this mate im curious if you know ? Cos theres used to be good ime too but last ones i tried from them were so so after the name change to blueberrycheese i used to rate there blue cheese more than there triple cheese however these days that seems closer to the type of good phenos you got from there bluecheese a while back in my experience anyway
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Too me, some of the strains Barney sold, before they went all Fems, and then went back to selling regulars, were killer, and some of the ones Ive tried since they went back to selling regulars, SUCK.

The G13 x Haze, is nothing like a cut my buddy has from 2010. The new version, is an Indica dominant plant, and does not resemble the original, at all. Cut my buddy has is narrow leaf, and gets big as hell, and stretchs by 5x. At least. I believe the Barneys, original G13 x Haze, came from Reeferman, who I wont comment on, but he did have some good genetics.

We also tried the Barneys Fem-G13 x Haze, when they first came out, and while they were Sativa dom, all of them had a Pale Green look, were slow growing, and t THC content was not much above good hemp. That experience really turned me off to fems,,,,,,,,,, though, sometimes, I will buy fems, if thats the only way to get the genetics. But its for sure not my first preference. And I have grown seeds from plants that have made a seed or 3, late in flowering, and were good. Ive done that for 45 years. Im also wary of breeding fems, with regulars. Not for instant recognizable trouble, but genetically on down through the years. Especially when used for further breeding programs.
 
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conor c

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jimihendrix1 said:
Too me, some of the strains Barney sold, before they went all Fems, and then went back to selling regulars, were killer, and some of the ones Ive tried since they went back to selling regulars, SUCK.

The G13 x Haze, is nothing like a cut my buddy has from 2010. The new version, is an Indica dominant plant, and does not resemble the original, at all. Cut my buddy has is narrow leaf, and gets big as hell, and stretchs by 5x. At least. I believe the Barneys, original G13 x Haze, came from Reeferman, who I wont comment on, but he did have some good genetics.

We also tried the Barneys Fem-G13 x Haze, when they first came out, and while they were Sativa dom, all of them had a Pale Green look, were slow growing, and t THC content was not much above good hemp. That experience really turned me off to fems,,,,,,,,,, though, sometimes, I will buy fems, if thats the only way to get the genetics. But its for sure not my first preference. And I have grown seeds from plants that have made a seed or 3, late in flowering, and were good. Ive done that for 45 years. Im also wary of breeding fems, with regulars. Not for instant recognizable trouble, but genetically on down through the years. Especially when used for further breeding programs.
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Yeah alot of changes some not for the better alot of there stuffs reefermans from what i remember there Acapulco gold is his apple pie as well
 
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conor c

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EhCndGrower said:
I got them as a freebie with a seed order from SeedSupreme back when I first started growing in 2018. That’s all the info I know about them and didn’t have the pleasure of trying them beforehand. They came unlabelled, so I contacted SS about the freebies. They were nice enough to write back told me they were Blue Cheese seeds from BF. I guess the name change came shortly after that and reason they were freebies
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Probably older stock then cos in reality there older blue cheese was just a cut of bluecheese from older big buddha seeds that they found and femmed up it was good tho
 
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Waterboy420

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jimihendrix1 said:
Too me, some of the strains Barney sold, before they went all Fems, and then went back to selling regulars, were killer, and some of the ones Ive tried since they went back to selling regulars, SUCK.

The G13 x Haze, is nothing like a cut my buddy has from 2010. The new version, is an Indica dominant plant, and does not resemble the original, at all. Cut my buddy has is narrow leaf, and gets big as hell, and stretchs by 5x. At least. I believe the Barneys, original G13 x Haze, came from Reeferman, who I wont comment on, but he did have some good genetics.

We also tried the Barneys Fem-G13 x Haze, when they first came out, and while they were Sativa dom, all of them had a Pale Green look, were slow growing, and t THC content was not much above good hemp. That experience really turned me off to fems,,,,,,,,,, though, sometimes, I will buy fems, if thats the only way to get the genetics. But its for sure not my first preference. And I have grown seeds from plants that have made a seed or 3, late in flowering, and were good. Ive done that for 45 years. Im also wary of breeding fems, with regulars. Not for instant recognizable trouble, but genetically on down through the years. Especially when used for further breeding programs.
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Barneys is just a big "breeder" company.
 
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DanKiller

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jimihendrix1 said:
Too me, some of the strains Barney sold, before they went all Fems, and then went back to selling regulars, were killer, and some of the ones Ive tried since they went back to selling regulars, SUCK.

The G13 x Haze, is nothing like a cut my buddy has from 2010. The new version, is an Indica dominant plant, and does not resemble the original, at all. Cut my buddy has is narrow leaf, and gets big as hell, and stretchs by 5x. At least. I believe the Barneys, original G13 x Haze, came from Reeferman, who I wont comment on, but he did have some good genetics.

We also tried the Barneys Fem-G13 x Haze, when they first came out, and while they were Sativa dom, all of them had a Pale Green look, were slow growing, and t THC content was not much above good hemp. That experience really turned me off to fems,,,,,,,,,, though, sometimes, I will buy fems, if thats the only way to get the genetics. But its for sure not my first preference. And I have grown seeds from plants that have made a seed or 3, late in flowering, and were good. Ive done that for 45 years. Im also wary of breeding fems, with regulars. Not for instant recognizable trouble, but genetically on down through the years. Especially when used for further breeding programs.
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For me I don't follow the logic introducing a male into a proven killer genetic fem pool.
Ever since selfing is so easy, whats the logic diluting your gene pool by 50% ?
To make seeds ?
But you can make them with selfed plants aswell.. in weed consumption, what are males for ? Can you see woman keeping man if they don't need them for babies anymore ?
So the whole purpose is to smell, taste(lick ;) ) and smoke the private parts of the fem, shouldn't we throw out all the males also ?
To me I would use a male only as a last resort in case a plant don't wanna reverse, but even then I will probably pollinate it with other fems that do wanna self and has even more traits I'm looking for in the smoke...
Regs and fems are same in terms of growing, traits vary too much and that's why breeding is for, but you cut the branch your sitting on by mixing it with some unknown male.
the cheese cut I had came from seed, but it was exactly the same as what circa ams in those years, I know cuz I personally went there to verify it back then.
You think I could've got the same results from a cheese fem x male ? I highly doubt it and even if I could it will take me hundreds of seeds.
The cheese I had came from a 5 pack 20 years ago and 3 were identical to the clone in ams,
Call it lucky but I just think the origins of those seeds were highly guarded from any other pesky genes.
Also they were fems, so they must came from a selfed plant, what are the odds...
 
jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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DanKiller said:
For me I don't follow the logic introducing a male into a proven killer genetic fem pool.
Ever since selfing is so easy, whats the logic diluting your gene pool by 50% ?
To make seeds ?
But you can make them with selfed plants aswell.. in weed consumption, what are males for ? Can you see woman keeping man if they don't need them for babies anymore ?
So the whole purpose is to smell, taste(lick ;) ) and smoke the private parts of the fem, shouldn't we throw out all the males also ?
To me I would use a male only as a last resort in case a plant don't wanna reverse, but even then I will probably pollinate it with other fems that do wanna self and has even more traits I'm looking for in the smoke...
Regs and fems are same in terms of growing, traits vary too much and that's why breeding is for, but you cut the branch your sitting on by mixing it with some unknown male.
the cheese cut I had came from seed, but it was exactly the same as what circa ams in those years, I know cuz I personally went there to verify it back then.
You think I could've got the same results from a cheese fem x male ? I highly doubt it and even if I could it will take me hundreds of seeds.
The cheese I had came from a 5 pack 20 years ago and 3 were identical to the clone in ams,
Call it lucky but I just think the origins of those seeds were highly guarded from any other pesky genes.
Also they were fems, so they must came from a selfed plant, what are the odds...
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Crossing 2 different strains, has F1 vigor, and is often better than either parent, and also is more pest, and disease resistant.

Best stuff Ive seen in the last 50 years was a cross of late 80s-early 90s NL5 x Haze/Female x Nevils Haqshplant x Skunk 1. Ive been smoking since 1967, and grew my first plants, in 1972. Under HID in 77-78, when they first came out. I grew it about 6 years before a partner ratted me out to the feds, and I lost it. I didnt smoke for 12 years, because of my federal sentence for cultivation. 10-LIFE-Mandatory Minimum for 1250 clones. 3-5 Million $$ fine. Which was waived. Cant get blood out of a turnip.

Ive been on the hunt since I got out, in 2009. Started in 1997. And Ive found Nothing in the same league as that stuff. Including a verified Chem91skva cut, I bought for my buddy, 5 years ago. Though its really strong.


Thats also why I bought a bunch of packs of Crickets and Cicada Skunk x Puck/NL1 BC2, to use for the Male.

And I bought a bunch of packs of the Relic Cough BX3, as its NL5 x Haze, though not the same as was sold in Holland, so some say. I also have AKBEanBrains NL5 x Haze. Which is as close as Im ever going to get, to the original genetics, I lost to the feds.

Altogther Ive got 10 packs each of the C&C Skunk x Puck/NL1 BC2, And the Relic Cough BX3. 6 packs of AKBeanBrains. But, its going to be a while, before I can go through them.

I think the heavy duty Sativa of the Sour Diesel, with the heavy duty high, of the C&C Skunk/Puck/Nl1 BC2, would greatly compliment each other.

Ive seen some really killer grows, and smoke reports on the C&C Skunk/Puck/NL1.

Of course, I would also keep all of it, in is uncrossed form.

Good males, that pass on desired traits, are even harder to find, than good females. Do away with males, and all genetic diversity, is gone.
 
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DanKiller

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jimihendrix1 said:
Crossing 2 different strains, has F1 vigor, and is often better than either parent, and also is more pest, and disease resistant.

Best stuff Ive seen in the last 50 years was a cross of late 80s-early 90s NL5 x Haze/Female x Nevils Haqshplant x Skunk 1. Ive been smoking since 1967, and grew my first plants, in 1972. Under HID in 77-78, when they first came out. I grew it about 6 years before a partner ratted me out to the feds, and I lost it. I didnt smoke for 12 years, because of my federal sentence for cultivation. 10-LIFE-Mandatory Minimum for 1250 clones. 3-5 Million $$ fine. Which was waived. Cant get blood out of a turnip.

Ive been on the hunt since I got out, in 2009. Started in 1997. And Ive found Nothing in the same league as that stuff. Including a verified Chem91skva cut, I bought for my buddy, 5 years ago. Though its really strong.


Thats also why I bought a bunch of packs of Crickets and Cicada Skunk x Puck/NL1 BC2, to use for the Male.

And I bought a bunch of packs of the Relic Cough BX3, as its NL5 x Haze, though not the same as was sold in Holland, so some say. I also have AKBEanBrains NL5 x Haze. Which is as close as Im ever going to get, to the original genetics, I lost to the feds.

Altogther Ive got 10 packs each of the C&C Skunk x Puck/NL1 BC2, And the Relic Cough BX3. 6 packs of AKBeanBrains. But, its going to be a while, before I can go through them.

I think the heavy duty Sativa of the Sour Diesel, with the heavy duty high, of the C&C Skunk/Puck/Nl1 BC2, would greatly compliment each other.

Ive seen some really killer grows, and smoke reports on the C&C Skunk/Puck/NL1.

Of course, I would also keep all of it, in is uncrossed form.

Good males, that pass on desired traits, are even harder to find, than good females. Do away with males, and all genetic diversity, is gone.
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Your not making sense my friend,
Crossing 2 different strains can be done with 2 fems from different lineage, and actually should be only done this way because you can know what your gonna end up smoking and if it's even worth your time, what can the male contribute here ?
F1 vigor exist in f1 fem seeds aswell, it doesn't matter.
How can one be better than the other ? One parent you don't even smoke, the claim that it's better can only relay on growing traits, which to people who actually smoke the damn thing don't mean a thing.
Again, genetic diversity cannot be gone since we can reverse fems and pollinate every other strain we want, no merit in this claim.
You were right about being able to pass, again, growing traits (mold resistance, pm, etc)
But you sacrifice 50% of your desired gene pool as a smoker for those traits.

I always said regs are good for breeders who don't wanna handle reversing or having trouble doing it with some strains, but again in today's mix up mish mesh gene pools, its better to do it with 2 fems at all costs.

People will say how can that be, regs still give fire fems, well, even a broke clock tells the time twice a day, so you can still hit as the male
occupy only 50% of the pool, but it will be a lot harder.
I'll take my chances with non resistant plants and lack of vigor for a seed line that actually come close to the FEM they started with.
 
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conor c

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Waterboy420 said:
Barneys is just a big "breeder" company.
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Nah thats being kind there seed producers not breeders theres not so many real ones out there cos unless your running thousands of plants working the lines and improving the genepool you aint breeding you would be more under the targeted pollen chucking umbrella imo
 
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DanKiller

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I doubt he hold all the clones he claims, just too far fatched to believe that in this money hungry times.
It is more logical that he like almost all seed makers, hold a couple of verified clones and the rest are s1 of s1, no other way around it.
I'm glad that he found some nice clones in his s1 adventure in some, but change the name dog, unless you have the actual clone don't bother naming nothing like the genetics it came from, it's the same, but not the same clone.
Truecanna did that in his cookie fever strain, he had enough balls to say it's a gsc s1 and not some verified cut of cookies, cuz even he knows getting a verified cash cow clone is near impossible from other people who own it.

conor c said:
Nah thats being kind there seed producers not breeders theres not so many real ones out there cos unless your running thousands of plants working the lines and improving the genepool you aint breeding you would be more under the targeted pollen chucking umbrella imo
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I don't think today you need to run such high numbers, that was right 40-50 years ago before most of what we smoke was stabilized for most of the traits we want.
Today is enough to run 100 seeds if the origins are proven to be good to find a killer keeper which you could continue s1 s2 or even cross to other killer fem and make your chances even greater in a short amount of time.
 
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DanKiller

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Also, i think the concept of the game has twisted, in the past breeders knew people are looking for and want to achieve what they read that won in cups and also replicate what they smoke in places breeding takes place (ams,cali)
I went to ams and smoked cheese, loved it, so I bought 5 seeds of it thinking I could get what I smoked, that was the mindset back then, and it was logical and proven, cuz when I grew them they were the same fire, I was 110% satisfied.
Now it's adventure land, you pop seeds of stuff that most of the time don't even come close, so what's the theme of the weed market today I'm asking for a friend ;)
Are growers supposed to become breeders just to have a chance to get to what they actually want from all this monkey business of growing and putting the time and effort and money into seeds that the breeders of them can't even be legit about their origins...
I guess that's why aficionado tells you that by buying their pack you are tapping their genetic pool lol happy hunting !
 
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conor c

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DanKiller said:
I doubt he hold all the clones he claims, just too far fatched to believe that in this money hungry times.
It is more logical that he like almost all seed makers, hold a couple of verified clones and the rest are s1 of s1, no other way around it.
I'm glad that he found some nice clones in his s1 adventure in some, but change the name dog, unless you have the actual clone don't bother naming nothing like the genetics it came from, it's the same, but not the same clone.
Truecanna did that in his cookie fever strain, he had enough balls to say it's a gsc s1 and not some verified cut of cookies, cuz even he knows getting a verified cash cow clone is near impossible from other people who own it.



I don't think today you need to run such high numbers, that was right 40-50 years ago before most of what we smoke was stabilized for most of the traits we want.
Today is enough to run 100 seeds if the origins are proven to be good to find a killer keeper which you could continue s1 s2 or even cross to other killer fem and make your chances even greater in a short amount of time.
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Ok well thats wrong your losing genes every generation unless your running a high number in a population facts this is why landraces though the same thing inbred for a long time yet still have some vigour and huge variations vs a dead ended line made with low numbers genetics is genetics mate your just dead ending the gene pool working low numbers in the long run for a grower just finding good cuts thats ok to run hundreds but for breeding it is not you want as many as you can get away with
 
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DanKiller

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conor c said:
Ok well thats wrong your losing genes every generation unless your running a high number in a population facts this is why landraces though the same thing inbred for a long time yet still have some vigour and huge variations vs a dead ended line made with low numbers genetics is genetics mate your just dead ending the gene pool working low numbers in the long run for a grower just finding good cuts thats ok to run hundreds but for breeding it is not you want as many as you can get away with
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You are right bro but you mix breeding with preservation, that's not what 99% of the market is after, we are after certain traits, not all of them.
Traits or genes will get lost but that's good, we breed them out on purpose so our saved plants will be like we target them to be.
We don't breed strains out, that's not the case.
Working low numbers today is possible thanks to people who did what you said and gave us on one hand many many strains, but most of them are somewhat stabilized in terms of what traits we want from each.
I'm not saying it's not important, it is the corner stone no doubt.
But again it has no relation to ending a strain or not having diversity or whatnot
For our smoking purpose, the male has nothing to contribute.
Breeders that insist on making regs, just don't want to put the effort and numbers and time into reversing fems only as we know most of the wanted strain won't make a lot of seeds each run
as it's hard to reverse them sometimes impossible.
 
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conor c

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DanKiller said:
You are right bro but you mix breeding with preservation, that's not what 99% of the market is after, we are after certain traits, not all of them.
Traits or genes will get lost but that's good, we breed them out on purpose so our saved plants will be like we target them to be.
We don't breed strains out, that's not the case.
Working low numbers today is possible thanks to people who did what you said and gave us on one hand many many strains, but most of them are somewhat stabilized in terms of what traits we want from each.
I'm not saying it's not important, it is the corner stone no doubt.
But again it has no relation to ending a strain or not having diversity or whatnot
For our smoking purpose, the male has nothing to contribute.
Breeders that insist on making regs, just don't want to put the effort and numbers and time into reversing fems only as we know most of the wanted strain won't make a lot of seeds each run
as it's hard to reverse them sometimes impossible.
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Breeding and preservation are the same thing if its real breeding your doing then you gonna have long term goals for the line one of them being that once your happy with what you got you keep it so that at f whatever its still worth running and resembles what you had at the earlier gens and still smokes good too

True 95% of the market isnt breeding full stop half these people dont even test there stuff properly if at all
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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Some desirable traits that are expressed in females are carried by the male. There are genes in males that you won't know are there until they are expressed through their female progeny. If you're only breeding with females you are missing out on half the gene pool, it's like leaving money on the table.

I've been curious about the cheese that Dynasty/Relic uses. Does anyone have any experience with Professor P's cheese offerings?
 
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DanKiller

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Funkentelechy said:
Some desirable traits that are expressed in females are carried by the male. There are genes in males that you won't know are there until they are expressed through their female progeny. If you're only breeding with females you are missing out on half the gene pool, it's like leaving money on the table.

I've been curious about the cheese that Dynasty/Relic uses. Does anyone have any experience with Professor P's cheese offerings?
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Can you describe those traits to those who smoke, that the male carry which we miss out on and are worth so much money... ?
Sounds weird what your saying, if that was the case some people would smoke their male over a fem, and I don't think that's the case.
Again a male has a lot to contribute no doubt
Just not to us smokers.
If you start from a lame fem with no smell let's say, and your male does have more smell, that can be an example of breeding better with males, but again why bother when you have so much other better known choices ?
I buy regs all the time because I know humans are lazy and always will choose the quick get rich option, if breeders were serious about their gear and aim to give you 100% the fire they started with (according to them), no one would make regs anymore.
But unlucky for us, most of them do as little as possible or just out right dumb and we have to sift through the sand now.
 
LedbetterCookiez

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DanKiller said:
Are growers supposed to become breeders just to have a chance to get to what they actually want from all this monkey business of growing and putting the time and effort and money into seeds that the breeders of them can't even be legit about their origins...
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You're supposed to waste months of time and thousands of dollars. It's the new norm.
 
Norml56

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Funkentelechy said:
Some desirable traits that are expressed in females are carried by the male. There are genes in males that you won't know are there until they are expressed through their female progeny. If you're only breeding with females you are missing out on half the gene pool, it's like leaving money on the table.

I've been curious about the cheese that Dynasty/Relic uses. Does anyone have any experience with Professor P's cheese offerings?
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I have a couple of his Cheese crosses. Haven't grown any of them out yet tho. Kali Snapple x Exodus cheese and Oregon Afghani x cheese bx1
 
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Funkentelechy

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DanKiller said:
Sounds weird what your saying, if that was the case some people would smoke their male over a fem, and I don't think that's the case.
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I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, as this thread is supposed to be about cheese, but what I'm referring to is that there are genes, some desirable for breeding and some undesirable, in all sexually dimorphic species that are carried by one sex but expressed in offspring of the opposite sex. You would never be able to completely successfully select for, or away from, certain traits if only selecting from a population composed of only one sex because of this.

An example of this sort of thing is male pattern baldness in humans. Male pattern baldness is mostly associated with the AR gene which is carried in the X chromosome, the chromosome that is inherited through the mother. Other genes need to be present in the father(Y chromosome) for those genes to express themselves as baldness in the male, but the primary gene responsible comes from the mother's side. That gene doesn't express itself in the form of baldness in the mother so you wouldn't know it was there until combined with the Y chromosome. Baldness is generally considered an undesirable trait, there are desirable gene expressions that work this way as well.
So say that male baldness was a desirable trait, hypothetically, but you were working with a population of selfed males(I know I know this is hypothetical), the X chromosome from the female would never be present to carry the AR gene responsible for the trait you were looking for and you would never be able to produce offspring that reliably produced that trait.

Selfing is a super useful tool for the consumer who doesn't want to deal with males or if you have a clone only, or a very special plant that you can't reproduce through other means. But it isn't the be-all and end-all of breeding.

Now back to Cheese.
 
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DanKiller

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I didn't say it was, that's why I was expressing for our smoking needs, males should be thrown away in growing and breeding, they don't have a trait smokers need, the lack of a clear definition for one is apparent for everyone to see it's not hiding.
Maybe a breeder will chime in and tell us something we don't know that only males have and can add to the smoking gene pool ?

The only reason I can think of it's the lack of plants that wanna reverse and lack of pollen, low seeds count, not a worthy business unless you sell packs for 500usd apparently with today's prices of everything.
But that's ok, they are at least letting us tap their genetic pool, let's go swimming

About the cheese, I heard Mac & Cheese by Mac is a good cross, I have some cheese x the truth from trucanna Im gonna explore soon.
waiting to have a budget to order 100 seeds from big buddha and find something worthy, I had a killer smell pheno I got from a pack once, just lacked the high and taste.. I'm pretty sure there's a better keeper if I do a big run with it.
 
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