Best Hydroponic Nutrients???

Aeroknow said:

This looks almost too good to be true.
I'm def trying them out. Wow!

Click on the "please visit products webpage" button. It will then give you all the details, it took me a minute to find it, being on a phone and all to.
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And then for example,this is what comes up for their clone of H&G's cocos
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Right on dude, how many lbs is it for $35? Have you tried veg+bloom, they have RO, Tap water and dirt versions and also will take a tap water sample and custom make a formula for your tap water. I use RO version with my tap water. Only one mix, it works for veg and flower. It's also made in california They have a formula for coco too, called HD.

http://www.hydroponic-research.com/our-products/

churchhaze said:

I have never used them, but I can't see why it wouldn't work. It contains the right ingredients Potassium monobasic phosphate is just another common name for monopotassium phosphate btw (KH2PO4).

There are a lot of other cheap hydroponic nutes i'd rather try if I didn't already make my own. What confuses me is that chart says Jack's professional is the cheapest, and I think that brand is still too expensive! lol

The ones that look interesting are similar to Jack's pro hydroponics. One part is high K, and the other part is calcium nitrate.

The company I get my dry salts from has their own dry mixes like Jack's hydro as well. I've never used their premixed nutes, but i'm sure they just use the salts they sell to make it.

https://www.cropking.com/catalog/nutrients-nutrients-and-additives/hydro-gro-leafy-greens
https://www.cropking.com/catalog/nutrients-nutrients-and-additives/hydro-gro-vine-crops

There are actually a lot of brands jumping on the "jacks professional hydro clone" 2 part dry where 1 part is calcium nitrate. It's nice because it lets you mix and match calcium nitrate instead of having to use GH flora micro or "cal-mag+".... ugh....

https://www.cropking.com/catalog/nutrients-nutrients-and-additives/calcium-nitrate-greenhouse-grade
https://www.cropking.com/catalog/nutrients-nutrients-and-additives/mono-potassium-phosphate
https://www.cropking.com/catalog/nutrients-nutrients-and-additives/potassium-nitrate

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Ok, so actually their shit doesn't look to be much cheaper than the Maxi Series. I pay $300 for a 5gallon bucket(50lbs). So, 6 bucks a pound. And it appears to be just about as concentrated as greenleafs.
Back to the drawing board. Not that there is anything wrong with the Maxi, IMO, as far as quality/results.
I don't know why i've always looked the other way when it comes to jacks. I might have to check that out first, before finally jumping into the "made from scratch" method like you Church. Baby steps! Lol

UrbanAerO said:

Does anyone else use House and Garden Van de Zwaan?? Hows it compare to others?

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Sucks

I'm not sure which the best price is to be honest, since I never used any of them. If they have the same ingredients and ratios, however, I'm sure they're the same thing so you could just find the cheapest one.

The way I originally started using dry salts years ago was by replacing GH flora bloom with monopotassium phosphate and magnesium sulfate. Then, when I ran out of flora micro, I used calcium nitrate instead . I saw terrible iron deficiency so I added iron sulfate. That was all it took really. Since then, it's all been about tweaking, but even that first attempt took a crop to harvest.

Basically you can use potassium nitrate instead of GH flora grow, calcium nitrate instead of GH flora micro, and monopotassium phosphate for GH flora bloom. Then get magnesium sulfate and add the magnesium missing, and iron sulfate or EDTA.

Aeroknow said:

Ok, so actually their shit doesn't look to be much cheaper than the Maxi Series. I pay $300 for a 5gallon bucket(50lbs). So, 6 bucks a pound. And it appears to be just about as concentrated as greenleafs.
Back to the drawing board. Not that there is anything wrong with the Maxi, IMO, as far as quality/results.
I don't know why i've always looked the other way when it comes to jacks. I might have to check that out first, before finally jumping into the "made from scratch" method like you Church. Baby steps! Lol

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Back then, I didn't even bother with molybdenum, manganese, boron, zinc, copper, and still had decent results, in fact I still can't tell what those elements do since adding them. I add Mo, Mn, and B now, and have no clue if they actually help. I'm told they're essential, so I add them... lol. I just add enough Mo, Mn and B to get it to "Hoagland formula" levels, and assume hoagland was a bright guy, why not? hehe

I still do not add a source of zinc or copper. I'm guessing the pipes provide enough of this. I chop up 1 post 1983 penny into slices and put 1 slice in each DWC tote... for good luck of course.

Whatever product that is, it looks like a great formula. Derived from the same stuff as every other good hydro brand!! Inorganic nitrate salts!

AlphaPhase said:

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Right on, it's just a salt based product, expensive as gold lol. I like it but it's too expensive, it's got a few extra goodies in it but not worth the extra price imo, though i really liked it and if it was 1/2 the price I'd like it even more lol

Buying all 9 ingredients in the "Derived from" section would likely be cheaper and actually simpler and more straight forward than getting 9 bottles from AN (like people do). You don't need the potassium sulfate btw. I find that magnesium sulfate, if the only source of magnesium, provides the perfect amount of both magnesium and sulfate. Magnesium sulfate (heptahydrate) is 9.9% Mg and 13% S by mass. (the rest of that is mostly oxygen atoms). Potassium sulfate will spike up sulfate levels. You can more than enough potassium using potassium nitrate and monopotassium phosphate, easily.

It looks like they came to the same conclusion about zinc as i did. It's not even worth the DIYer to have a separate ingredient for it, but it still worked well you said! I always find it funny when people diagnose a zinc deficiency in the help section, as if anyone knows what a zinc deficiency looks like. Try purposefully getting a zinc deficiency for reference of what it looks like. Good luck. Even with RO water, you probably still won't be able to distinguish the symptoms from zinc deficiency.

AlphaPhase said:

Right on, it's just a salt based product, expensive as gold lol. I like it but it's too expensive, it's got a few extra goodies in it but not worth the extra price imo, though i really liked it and if it was 1/2 the price I'd like it even more lol

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Oh man, I would shoot myself in the face if I had to use AN lol. I once thought I had a zinc deficency, it turned out to be a mag def (looks almost identical and I never had mag deficiencies until I grew og's, so I had no idea what was going on lol ) - I'd like to mix my own nutes sometime but I really like the ease of a one part ready to go mix, makes life so much easier. Hey, do you add sulfur by any chance to your mix? If not, I suggest trying it, you'll never look back

You probably just read this part, but yes. I use sulfur in the form of magnesium sulfate only.

Magnesium sulfate (heptahydrate) is 9.9% Mg and 13% S by mass.

I use 6.13g for 4 gallons in a tote as the only source of both Mg and S.

That gives about 40ppm Mg and 57ppm S in 4 gallons of water.

AlphaPhase said:

Oh man, I would shoot myself in the face if I had to use AN lol. I once thought I had a zinc deficency, it turned out to be a mag def (looks almost identical and I never had mag deficiencies until I grew og's, so I had no idea what was going on lol ) - I'd like to mix my own nutes sometime but I really like the ease of a one part ready to go mix, makes life so much easier. Hey, do you add sulfur by any chance to your mix? If not, I suggest trying it, you'll never look back

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Woops, totally missed that part. That's awesome, it has to be nice to have a custom formula and know exactly what's in it, make me some custom nutes!! lol, just kidding, sort of

that's it. It's for hard water though, so if you're using RO, you will have to use more calcium. The pH down (nitric acid) is included in the formula)

AlphaPhase said:

Woops, totally missed that part. That's awesome, it has to be nice to have a custom formula and know exactly what's in it, make me some custom nutes!! lol, just kidding, sort of

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I used HOUSE AND GARDEN. I had issues with coco later repeatedly with their coco, but using recirculating system. I found out that was bad and this round the seems better w the aqua. Im happy so far. I use coco and flood 2x a day for aeration purposes and salt build up. ionic is good but heavy and made for hard water i believe. I heard heavy 16 is good. I have tried dutch master gold too that was fine. I mean really man, its a matter of many variables that need to be in check. as long as this is the case, your straight. I called h and g after repeat issues to find that the rep who converted me missinformed me. Also I found he doesn't work at the store any more took 3 mo to find that all out tho.

I have always been a fan of Fox Farm it always ends up being my go to... Blue Planet nutrients have a nice line that's pretty hard to screw up and very reasonable in price with great results.. A new line I'm just starting to get into and know lotta good results is the Heavy 16 line . I have run Humboldt's Own deep Fusion line and really like it too. Things that just aren't worth it are Advanced nutrients . Its mostly hype. They are over priced too many break downs to make profit and usually those who seem to like them never bought and have run them they just hear or say they see great things. Dutch master isn't a good one either....So Fox farm,Heavy16,Blue Planet, Humboldts Own Deep Fusion Line are all good in my opinion and I have run most of these in dozens of grows except the Heavy16 which I'm just getting into now but I have buddies using it and killing it with great results.I almost forgot Canna..Canna is a great product might not be for a beginner but after getting used to hydro its very good too

Right on dude! That's awesome, very much appreciated!! I use tap water (about 150ppm tops)- freaking A man, I'm going to give this a shot soon!

Don't worry about the zinc sulfate or copper sulfate until you have all the other stuff locked in, like i said, i just use a piece of penny of Zn and Cu (luck). Even if you get a tiny amount, you will only use tiny tiny specs of it (a few miligrams in the micro stock solution)

Sodium borate (solubor) has a great second use. If you mix it with a dab of honey or corn syrup, any ants in the area will swarm to it, and you will never see them ever again. (diy ant trap)

Btw, here's the stock solutions I've been making to give you an idea. I use a 50mL syringe to get the stock solutions into DWC totes, so you don't have to measure salts with a scale.

AlphaPhase said:

Right on dude! That's awesome, very much appreciated!! I use tap water (about 150ppm tops)- freaking A man, I'm going to give this a shot soon!

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churchhaze said:

Don't worry about the zinc sulfate or copper sulfate until you have all the other stuff locked in, like i said, i just use a piece of penny of Zn and Cu (luck). Even if you get a tiny amount, you will only use tiny tiny specs of it (a few miligrams in the micro stock solution)

Sodium borate (solubor) has a great second use. If you mix it with a dab of honey or corn syrup, any ants in the area will swarm to it, and you will never see them ever again. (diy ant trap)

Btw, here's the stock solutions I've been making to give you an idea. I use a 50mL syringe to get the stock solutions into DWC totes, so you don't have to measure salts with a scale.

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An enjoyable thread, I'm looking for a good basic formula, no
ppm stuff, just how many grams of each chem.
I've been weighing my own chems for 14 years, growing vegs.
I would like to try some hydro pot growing, my last was dirt, 40
year back.
Either a 2 or 3 part mix, in toms, I some times use a 4 part,
the regular A-B, but the micro's as a 3rd., and Pot Sul as #4.
Pot Sul is used in fruiting only.
Where I live, there is no hydro store, so we have to DYI, I have 25Kg bags of all the main chems and 1Kg bags of the micros, and scales.
Sorry if this is OT, I'm still searching the hydro threads for
help, Thanks.
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