Best light cycle for autos during flowering?

RynoGrow

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I've been running a 20 on 4 off pretty much since seedlings. First week was on 24 strait. 5 weeks old now and starting to flower. Im still running a 20/4 light cycle. The only thing Ive changed since they started flowering is turning on the red spectrum on my boards. Hitting them with a little big bud along with a lil calmag and some light micro tea. They are making buds everywhere! So many bud sites! Should I change to a 12/12 even though they are autos? or even an 18/6? Im a noob when it comes to the dynamics of bud growth..... Damn near everything I know came from scanning forums here. All help greatly appreciated!

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RynoGrow

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Leave them as is on 20/4. If they were showing signs if light stress you might consider going to 18/6.

We're they showing a deficiency going into flower? Why did you add CalMag?
i usually add a small dose every few days. i was told the promix organic i use needs tuned up a lil. i have the weaker cal mag at 1-0-0. should i stop adding every few waterings?
 

RynoGrow

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If you are feeding well balanced nutrients why would they need even more CalMag? I use coco with RO quality water and don't add CalMag.
first grow..... i dont exactly have the whole nute thing dialed in.... didnt seem like it was hurting it any. i was told i could use calmag from front to back and it wouldnt harm anything as long as i didnt over do it. i thought it was beneficial...
 

Nutty sKunK

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first grow..... i dont exactly have the whole nute thing dialed in.... didnt seem like it was hurting it any. i was told i could use calmag from front to back and it wouldnt harm anything as long as i didnt over do it. i thought it was beneficial...
It is beneficial. It all depends on the make up of your water/base nutrient.

I live in a soft water area (35ppm) and need to supplement calmag - especially after the stretch using my base feed.

Some strains want more than others so just keep using it every other watering for now
 

Nutty sKunK

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Oh and more light the better until signs of stress. 20/4 is what I use seed to harvest. Gonna try 22/2 for the first 2-3 weeks next indoor run
 

RynoGrow

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Oh and more light the better until signs of stress. 20/4 is what I use seed to harvest. Gonna try 22/2 for the first 2-3 weeks next indoor run
I was 24 on for almost 2 full weeks from first day of seedlings being put into soil and they loved it lol grew so fast it was crazy.
 

Nutty sKunK

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I was 24 on for almost 2 full weeks from first day of seedlings being put into soil and they loved it lol grew so fast it was crazy.
It is an insanely fast growing plant. That’s what makes it so fun!

you can have a little tree in 4-5 weeks. My carrots took two weeks just to break the surface lol
 

VincenzioVonHook

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I'd say focus on DLI, not specifically hours of light. Some strains do better with DLI up into the 40-60s, some do well around 30-40.

There is plenty of comparisons of plant growth per DLI, and the general consensus amongst commercial cultivators is that 18/6 at 350ish umol/s is the minimum needed to grow autoflowers and have a successful minimum yield, and 650-750 umol/s over 18hrs is the average amount of flux needed to maintain a healthy harvest over a variety of strain in controlled conditions. That's not to say that more won't mean better yields, it just means that yield efficiency usually drops off drastically after 700umol/s over 18/6, and factors like heat and humidity tolerance, genetic light tolerance and feeding schedules play a bigger role. For example you could get away with running 14/10 with the same light ran closer, for the same DLI but less electricity and heat over a day, but most would believe that to 14/10 is instantly getting less light.

I suppose, in an inflated way I'm trying to say that your 18/6 could be less DLI than a plant in full sunlight for 10 hours a day, or twice as much depending on the intensity. There is a reason why the horticultural industry uses DLI as a primary, and lighting schedule as a secondary to control temps and humidity depending on season and artificial control.

That's also a reason people stick to autos indoors If budget and space is an issue. It's easier to meet DLI with a cheap 120w quantum board over 18-20hrs than it is with photos. With 10-12hrs max in flower, you need a standard of 1000-1200umol/s to reach DLI, and a lot of cheaper boards wont reach those numbers unless you are at 10" from plants, where coverage becomes an issue. With autos you have the option of providing 600umol/s over 22 hours for a better DLI, yet far less investment in equipment. 600umol/s in achievable with a 100w quantum board at 18" in most cases, where as 1200umol/s over 11h will need at least a 240w quantum board in the same area at 14" to reach the same DLI.
 
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RynoGrow

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I'd say focus on DLI, not specifically hours of light. Some strains do better with DLI up into the 40-60s, some do well around 30-40.

There is plenty of comparisons of plant growth per DLI, and the general consensus amongst commercial cultivators is that 18/6 at 350ish umol/s is the minimum needed to grow autoflowers and have a successful minimum yield, and 650-750 umol/s over 18hrs is the average amount of flux needed to maintain a healthy harvest over a variety of strain in controlled conditions. That's not to say that more won't mean better yields, it just means that yield efficiency usually drops off drastically after 700umol/s over 18/6, and factors like heat and humidity tolerance, genetic light tolerance and feeding schedules play a bigger role. For example you could get away with running 14/10 with the same light ran closer, for the same DLI but less electricity and heat over a day, but most would believe that to 14/10 is instantly getting less light.

I suppose, in an inflated way I'm trying to say that your 18/6 could be less DLI than a plant in full sunlight for 10 hours a day, or twice as much depending on the intensity. There is a reason why the horticultural industry uses DLI as a primary, and lighting schedule as a secondary to control temps and humidity depending on season and artificial control.

That's also a reason people stick to autos indoors If budget and space is an issue. It's easier to meet DLI with a cheap 120w quantum board over 18-20hrs than it is with photos. With 10-12hrs max in flower, you need a standard of 1000-1200umol/s to reach DLI, and a lot of cheaper boards wont reach those numbers unless you are at 10" from plants, where coverage becomes an issue. With autos you have the option of providing 600umol/s over 22 hours for a better DLI, yet far less investment in equipment. 600umol/s in achievable with a 100w quantum board at 18" in most cases, where as 1200umol/s over 11h will need at least a 240w quantum board in the same area at 14" to reach the same DLI.
I get what your saying but have no clue how i would calculate that figure or even have the proper instruments lol.
 
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