best lights for growing in a 4ftx4ftx6ft closet

growjahherb

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hey i am about to start a grow of 2 plants in a 4x4x6 closet. Anyone have any suggestions as to what type of lighting i should use. I want to do this right, no fuckin around. I was thinking of using a 400 watt hps the whole way through. I have read threads where people say its ok to use an hps the whole way through, and i have also read some where people say to use cfl's for vegging and switch to hps for flowering. The whole lighting thing is confusing to me and id appreciate it if someone could guide me through a little bit.

RESPECT:weed::weed:
 

Endoe

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I use a metal halide for veg. It is a better spectrum for vegging. You can get a ballast that is switchable from MH to HPS. If you really want to get some light on them get the 1000 watt. But you will need a serious ventalation system for your space.
 

growjahherb

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thanks endoe. Does any one else have any input on this situation. I think 1000 will be way too hot and unnecessary for 2-3 plants. Will a 250-400watt do the job? Please help me out with your input if you are reading this right now. I know its a really lame and easy question but you got to start somewhere.
 

gohydro

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I think 400w will be fine. I have 2 400's in a space twice the size. Remember what Endoe said about switchable ballasts. Old magnetic ballasts are bulb specific...in other words you need one ballast for MH and a different ballast for HPS The newer ballasts (electronic) can be used with either bulb. Don't go cheap here....a good electronic ballast like lumatek is worth the investment.
 

growjahherb

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you can get a Lumatek 400w 120v electronic ballast anywhere from 160-200 bucks.
THANKS DUDE.
nice, thats what i am going to do. For ventilation what do you think i should do. I am thinking just a couple good sized fans will do a good job(i dont really know of any other ventilation techniques). I don't want a big fan on my plants though because i don't want them to focus TOO much on the strength of their stems and not on THC production/other growth.
I want to have my plants out in the open in my closet. I dont want to have them in a box or anything. Oh and what do you think is a good method for smell especially since they will not be in a box of any sort. What do you do gohydro/anyone?
 

Chaotic

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I got 3 plants on 8 43watt clfs in a vanity light with some wrapping paper lined around for reflection. They grew fine for me, later I will probably switch up to the higher watt clf's just because of the power saving and the low heat out put. I'm flowering now with the cfl's I know its not ideal but it will work. I'm not about to pour a lot of money on my first few grows, this is more of a hobby for me i'm still using training wheels.


As for smell:

I've got 3 plants in a closet in a room and when the door is closed you can't smell much but i just keep the door to the room closed and it never gets any farther then that. For 2 plants maybe just use a auto air freshener that sprays every 30 mins or whatever.

Smell isn't a issue to me because I smoke a lot and everyone knows it so they probably think I just got done toasting a bowl in there.
 

gohydro

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THANKS DUDE.
nice, thats what i am going to do. For ventilation what do you think i should do. I am thinking just a couple good sized fans will do a good job(i dont really know of any other ventilation techniques). I don't want a big fan on my plants though because i don't want them to focus TOO much on the strength of their stems and not on THC production/other growth.
I want to have my plants out in the open in my closet. I dont want to have them in a box or anything. Oh and what do you think is a good method for smell especially since they will not be in a box of any sort. What do you do gohydro/anyone?
Ventilation is a two part issue........room and fixture ventilation. HID lamps get hot and will heat up a small enclosed space quickly. You need exhaust hot/stale air and bring in fresh air. Having an ocillating fan in small enclosed space will do nothing for venting the space. It might strengthen the stalks a little but that's it. You need to CHANGE the air within the space through the use of fans. You don't need 2 fans (1exhaust and 1 intake) for room ventilation.....just 1 fan and an intake grille. Remember...whatever you exhaust needs to be replaced. Not only are you exhausting the stalle air but you're bringing in the all important CO2. I can't tell you how many beginners put an exhaust fan in their space ducted outside of the space but forget that the exhausted air needs replacing. Then they wonder why it doesn't work. Look at the interior doors in your home. Most of them don't go all the way to the floor. Why? Because the heat/ac coming out of the ducts needs to get back to the furnace or the place becomes stale and overheated. Same principle with your closet.

With respect to fixture ventilation most HID fixtures have a way to attach a 4" flexible dryer duct right to the end of the fixture and connect this duct to an inline fan. Just make sure that the you get the optional "fixture flange" in order to connect this duct easily. This allows you to get the lights really close without worrying that the lamp will burn your babies.

I'm not sure I understand your "out in the open" quote. If you're gonna grow in a closet in order to manage veg (18hrs) and flowering times (12hrs) then you need a way to ensure that 12 hrs of darkness is 12 hrs of darkness....no outside light sources at all including the sun, no 12 hrs one day and 12hrs 15 minutes the next. Light leakage, screwing with the cycles or "peeking" during the dark periods can cause hermaphrodites. Once you seal the space to keep stray light out, then ventilation becomes an issue.

Lastly, odor issues. I have no idea if the air freshner idea will work or not, but considering the small size of your operation it may work fine. Just don't "freshen" your closet.....freshen the house/apt. If that isn't enough then there are 2 other choices.....carbon filters or ozone generators. Ozone generators are used by bar owners or used car dealers to remove cigarette smells. :joint::joint::joint: Be careful with ozone generators though....too much ozone is not a good thing for humans. Carbon filters need replacing occasionally and are usually connected inline to the exhaust system.



Hope this helps and good luck! :peace:
 

sequento

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im pretty sure you dont need an adjustable or digital ballast as long as your bulbs wattage match the ballast u can use either MH or HPS in the same system with no proplems
 

patronnlime

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if youre working in a small space for just a couple of plants then opening the door a couple of times a day will greatley increase the amount of fresh air REMEMBER A FAN WILL CICRCULATE POOR AIR ALL DAY UNLESS FRESH IS BROUGHT IN.
 

VictorVIcious

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im pretty sure you dont need an adjustable or digital ballast as long as your bulbs wattage match the ballast u can use either MH or HPS in the same system with no proplems
This is just plain wrong. You need at least a switchable ballast.
The best lighting you could get for your 4' x 4' x 6' grow area is (2) 4'-8tube t-5 fixtures. Proof they will work as well as buying 2-600watt hid lights is in my journal. I will be posting some individual plant pictures later today. :peace:VV
 

growjahherb

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Ventilation is a two part issue........room and fixture ventilation. HID lamps get hot and will heat up a small enclosed space quickly. You need exhaust hot/stale air and bring in fresh air. Having an ocillating fan in small enclosed space will do nothing for venting the space. It might strengthen the stalks a little but that's it. You need to CHANGE the air within the space through the use of fans. You don't need 2 fans (1exhaust and 1 intake) for room ventilation.....just 1 fan and an intake grille. Remember...whatever you exhaust needs to be replaced. Not only are you exhausting the stalle air but you're bringing in the all important CO2. I can't tell you how many beginners put an exhaust fan in their space ducted outside of the space but forget that the exhausted air needs replacing. Then they wonder why it doesn't work. Look at the interior doors in your home. Most of them don't go all the way to the floor. Why? Because the heat/ac coming out of the ducts needs to get back to the furnace or the place becomes stale and overheated. Same principle with your closet.

With respect to fixture ventilation most HID fixtures have a way to attach a 4" flexible dryer duct right to the end of the fixture and connect this duct to an inline fan. Just make sure that the you get the optional "fixture flange" in order to connect this duct easily. This allows you to get the lights really close without worrying that the lamp will burn your babies.

I'm not sure I understand your "out in the open" quote. If you're gonna grow in a closet in order to manage veg (18hrs) and flowering times (12hrs) then you need a way to ensure that 12 hrs of darkness is 12 hrs of darkness....no outside light sources at all including the sun, no 12 hrs one day and 12hrs 15 minutes the next. Light leakage, screwing with the cycles or "peeking" during the dark periods can cause hermaphrodites. Once you seal the space to keep stray light out, then ventilation becomes an issue.

Lastly, odor issues. I have no idea if the air freshner idea will work or not, but considering the small size of your operation it may work fine. Just don't "freshen" your closet.....freshen the house/apt. If that isn't enough then there are 2 other choices.....carbon filters or ozone generators. Ozone generators are used by bar owners or used car dealers to remove cigarette smells. :joint::joint::joint: Be careful with ozone generators though....too much ozone is not a good thing for humans. Carbon filters need replacing occasionally and are usually connected inline to the exhaust system.



Hope this helps and good luck! :peace:
damn, thanks for taking the time to tell me all that. It really helps. Do i need to have some sort of tubes running from the closet to an outside window or will the air in my bedroom work just fine? Oh and should i cut a hole in the closet door for the intake/exhaust fans because i cant think of any other way if my closet is closed.:spew::cry:
 

david6767

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This is just plain wrong. You need at least a switchable ballast.
The best lighting you could get for your 4' x 4' x 6' grow area is (2) 4'-8tube t-5 fixtures. Proof they will work as well as buying 2-600watt hid lights is in my journal. I will be posting some individual plant pictures later today. :peace:VV


I can't believe it , your at it again; a forum is for discussion - to tell all the people that have taken time to give their advice to growjahherb that they are "just plain wrong" is, well, just plain wrong.
 

VictorVIcious

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I can't believe it , your at it again; a forum is for discussion - to tell all the people that have taken time to give their advice to growjahherb that they are "just plain wrong" is, well, just plain wrong.
This is not about an opinion, its about giving advice that is not safe ass wipe.
If you put the wrong bulb in the ballast the bulb can explode. What did you want me to say , wanker, Great advice. ITS JUST PLAIN WRONG. Every manufaturer says you have to match the bulbs and the ballast or buy a switchable ballast. that is not a fucking opinion its a fact.

If the advice is wrong I will say it is wrong. If you are not grown up enough to handle that you are probably to young for this forum too son. VV:blsmoke:
 

david6767

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This is not about an opinion, its about giving advice that is not safe ass wipe.
If you put the wrong bulb in the ballast the bulb can explode. What did you want me to say , wanker, Great advice. ITS JUST PLAIN WRONG. Every manufaturer says you have to match the bulbs and the ballast or buy a switchable ballast. that is not a fucking opinion its a fact.

If the advice is wrong I will say it is wrong. If you are not grown up enough to handle that you are probably to young for this forum too son. VV:blsmoke:

talk about arrogance - now your dictataing who is welcome on the forum.

you really have got your head up your arse
 

sequento

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i was just saying what i do i do not have an adjustable ballast i use both Mh and HPS in mine and they both fire up fine how does the ballast know if its MH or HPS surely if the voltages of the bulbs are the same ?
 

oddballire

Active Member
I have a 400w HPS - its 10 years old, NOT a digital ballast, self contained.

I have 2 differant bulbs for it - red and blue spectrums, I presume the blue one is MH.
 
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