Best low cost nutes for veg and bloom in soil? And best for Monster blooms

Colo MMJ

Colo MMJ

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Any good powder for veg and bloom? I know some people do not like liquids.

The Alaska Grow and Bloom is cheap but some people do not like fish mercury in their smoke and weed. Some people say that shit does not bother them or some mites in their smoke.

The local store has a line Age Old Organics from Illinois and the prices are low but it looks like they never sell much.
https://www.planetnatural.com/product/age-old-grow/


What about Big Bud for monster blooms?
 
Colo MMJ

Colo MMJ

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There is a anti plastic guy on youtube ranting about how it is cheaper and more enviro sound to by bagged nutes but he is not a totally MMJ guy.

Hammerhead is sold in the States. I guess that Magna Cal is like Cal Mag Plus. Checking on Plagron looks like it is Dutch or UK made. Thanks.
 
Uberknot

Uberknot

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Well I am using a combination of Jack's.( Palm, Acid, and Bloom ) for my grow I just started as an experiment along with some Fish/Kelp, CalMag, and Silica not a bad price at all. I'll keep a record of what happens in My journal. :joint:

I plan on adjusting the ratio's based on a few NPK charts I have found for different stages.

Acid Special

Total Nitrogen (N)......................17%
10.58% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
6.42% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) .........6%
Soluble Potash (K2O) ...................6%
Sulfur (S) ....................................14% 14.0% Combined Sulphur (S)
Boron (B).................................0.02%
Copper (Cu)............................0.05% 0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe) ..................................0.30% 0.30% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn).....................0.05% 0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)..............0.0009%
Zinc (Zn)..................................0.05% 0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)

Bloom

Total Nitrogen (N)................................. 10%
5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
5% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) .................. 30%
Soluble Potash (K2O) ............................ 20%
Magnesium (Mg) ............................... 0.50% 0.50% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Boron (B)............................................ 0.02%
Copper (Cu)....................................... 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe) ............................................. 0.10% 0.10% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)................................ 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)......................... 0.0009%
Zinc (Zn)............................................. 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)

Palm

Total Nitrogen (N) ..................... 16%
4% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
5.4% Nitrate Nitrogen
6.6% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) ......... 5%
Soluble Potash (K2O) ................. 25%
Magnesium (Mg) ......................... 1% 1% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S) ...................................... 7% 7% Combined Sulfur (S)
Boron (B)................................. 0.02%
Copper (Cu)............................ 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe) .................................. 0.10% 0.10% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)..................... 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo).............. 0.0009%
Zinc (Zn).................................. 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)


All Mixed evenly

N 14.3
Ammoniacal Nitrogen 6.53%
Nitrate Nitrogen 3.47%
Urea Nitrogen 4.34%
P 13.7
K 17
S 7

Mg .67
B .02
Cu .05
Fe .17
Mn .05
Mo .0009
Zn .05
 
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RM3

RM3

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Uberknot said:
Well I am using a combination of Jack's for my grow I just started as an experiment.
( Palm, Acid, and Bloom ) not a bad price at all. I'll keep a record of what happens in My journal. :joint:
I plan on adjusting the ratio's based on a few NPK charts I have found for different stages.

Acid Special

Total Nitrogen (N)......................17%
10.58% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
6.42% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) .........6%
Soluble Potash (K2O) ...................6%
Sulfur (S) ....................................14% 14.0% Combined Sulphur (S)
Boron (B).................................0.02%
Copper (Cu)............................0.05% 0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe) ..................................0.30% 0.30% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn).....................0.05% 0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)..............0.0009%
Zinc (Zn)..................................0.05% 0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)

Bloom

Total Nitrogen (N)................................. 10%
5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
5% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) .................. 30%
Soluble Potash (K2O) ............................ 20%
Magnesium (Mg) ............................... 0.50% 0.50% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Boron (B)............................................ 0.02%
Copper (Cu)....................................... 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe) ............................................. 0.10% 0.10% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)................................ 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)......................... 0.0009%
Zinc (Zn)............................................. 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)

Palm

Total Nitrogen (N) ..................... 16%
4% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
5.4% Nitrate Nitrogen
6.6% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5) ......... 5%
Soluble Potash (K2O) ................. 25%
Magnesium (Mg) ......................... 1% 1% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S) ...................................... 7% 7% Combined Sulfur (S)
Boron (B)................................. 0.02%
Copper (Cu)............................ 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe) .................................. 0.10% 0.10% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)..................... 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo).............. 0.0009%
Zinc (Zn).................................. 0.05% 0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)


All Mixed evenly

N 14.3
Ammoniacal Nitrogen 6.53%
Nitrate Nitrogen 3.47%
Urea Nitrogen 4.34%

P 13.7
K 17
Mg .67
S 7
B .02
Cu .05
Fe .17
Mn .05
Mo .0009
Zn .05
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Go lite on bloom unless you are in actual soil and watch the N on the others

I use Citrus for veg and AquaGold for flower, the Aquagold line was actually formulated by Jack's for cannabis after Colorado legalized
 
Uberknot

Uberknot

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RM3 said:
Go lite on bloom unless you are in actual soil and watch the N on the others

I use Citrus for veg and AquaGold for flower, the Aquagold line was actually formulated by Jack's for cannabis after Colorado legalized
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Oh yeah for sure I have no plans to hit them with more than 1/2 at any time after they get going. I will start out 1/8th maybe and will be measuring PH/PPM's. I am using Soil for a growing medium and still have a couple weeks or so before I apply anything.
 
Colo MMJ

Colo MMJ

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RM3 said:
Age Old is great, I use their Kelp. as for powdered nutes, I use Jack's and get it at Paulino's
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+1
I go into the grow store and see Age Old stuff and it looks good, reasonable price but the labels do not have sharks, hot women, loud graphics, retarded kid eating cotton candy or some weird stuff.

Can that kelp also be used as a spray for spider mites? One dude hear said yes that kelp is good. Jorge Cervantes - MMJ guru and pitch man said seaweed in a spray kills spider mites. I assume seaweed and Kelp are close???
 
RM3

RM3

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Colo MMJ said:
+1
I go into the grow store and see Age Old stuff and it looks good, reasonable price but the labels do not have sharks, hot women, loud graphics, retarded kid eating cotton candy or some weird stuff.

Can that kelp also be used as a spray for spider mites? One dude hear said yes that kelp is good. Jorge Cervantes - MMJ guru and pitch man said seaweed in a spray kills spider mites. I assume seaweed and Kelp are close???
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I use it on seedlings, never tried it on mites?
 
RM3

RM3

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leesophie Irish said:
y
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Because I have a tad bit of understanding reality where it concerns botany. High P in containers is a waste and nutes need to be balanced for plants to be healthy. Every day there is a problem post here because a new grower started usin bloom nutes & boosters wrong. Then there is this email from the CEO of DynaGro, you know the guys that developed hydro nutes for NASA ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

You are correct. We market a high P (Liquid Bloom) as some "believe" they need this. As you have noted, our Foliage-Pro does a great job start to finish. However, it is simpler to give the market what they think they need than to try to reeducate it. There is some evidence to believe that low N helps to convince a plant to stop its vegetative growth and move into its reproductive phase (flowering), but environmental factors are probably more important. P is typically 5th or 6th in order of importance of the six macronutrients. There is little scientific justification for higher P formulas, but marketing does come into play for the vast majority of users who lack any real understanding of plant nutritional requirements. Therefore, the market is flooded with a plethora of snake oil products that provide little benefit and can actually do harm. For example, one exhibitor at a hydroponic trade show had a calcium supplement with 2% calcium derived from calcium chloride. Can you guess what continued application of 2% chloride would do to plants?'\
I hope this answers your question and am sorry for Zina's inaccurate response.
Cordially,
Dave Neal, CEO
Dyna-Gro Nutrition Solutions
2775 Giant Rd.
Richmond, CA 94806
800-Dyna-Gro, Fax: 510-233-0198
grodave@aol.com
www.dyna-gro.com
 
irish grower

irish grower

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o'h jasus i use your products,can i ask a question,when using soil and a sunmaster 600w light,is it better to use proper nuit soil like that from foxfarm,all organic nutrients,i am a new comer to growing i just read a lot,would it be possible to pick you brain ever so often please
 
intenseneal

intenseneal

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Hydroponics Research Veg+Bloom Dirty, for soil. They also make other formulas for coco and hydro. Myself and my plants love this stuff. It has all the major and supplemental nutes in so you dont need to buy more to complete a nute line up ie i dont need to buy a sweetener. You can even get high calmag formulas for ro or soft tap water, low calmag for ula for hard water or a custom formula for you water source. Pretty nice choices and blends. I do add calmag since i use ro water and liquid kool bloom as a bloom booster at 1ml per gallon. Its really nice and simple having 1 quality nute for both stages of the plants life and being a powder makes it cleaner and easier to deal wirh imo. Here is what i can do so far with it. Check the stuff out its really great i will never use anything else. I am in no way part of Hydroponics Research and was not paid to say this, my own experience and opinion 20160816_201141_resized.jpg
 
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