BHO Questions

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Nemsicle

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I've been making a lot of BHO recently and I'm trying to purge better without the use of a vacuum.
Right now my method is the following:
-Heat up water in a big pot (not quite boiling)
-Blast into a pyrex dish in the pot so the water's touching the bottom of the dish
-Let it sit in pot until bubbling stops
-Pop all bubbles, lots crisscrosses with razor
-Scrape everything together, mix it around until I don't see/hear anymore bubbles popping

Sometimes I have to reheat my bho because it gets too hard to work with and mix. To do this I heat the glass dish with a torch for a little bit from underneath. Sometimes when I do this the bho starts to bubble like crazy and it almost looks like it's boiling. They're small bubbles unlike the huge bubbles that take forever to pop on their own when the butane is initially evaporating. Is this degrading my bho or is more butane evaporating?

Also, would you recommend grinding bud up finely or just throwing small nugs into the extraction tube? I haven't really been able to tell if one is better than the other.
Last question: Does using multiple coffee filters help at all? I've only used one at a time.

Thanks for your time! :bigjoint:

I'll post pictures of some of the bho I've been making later...
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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if youre heating the oil from the bottom like that and making it violently bubble and fizz, probably smoke too.. its burning the oil, killing THC, and ruining your quality and quantity. youre heating it way way too much. direct heat kills THC. sounds like youre hurting your oil. just a little flash or heat is all you need. 1 second max on the bottom of dish, should heat the dish enough to get your oil soft and playable. if not, only do 1 more second max at a time.

either heat it up very slowly from the bottom with a torch... or just boil some water and put your dish above that. even boiling water is almost too much sometimes if you let it sit for too long.

I personally grind up the nug pretty fine. I once packed it full of bud and didnt get ANY coloring out of the end of the tube. last time I will EVER try it what way. I find that chopped works better... and if you finger chop or bust it up works even better.

and yes, multiple filters doesnt hurt. try using 10-20 and see how that works out.
 
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Nemsicle

Member
Yea I didn't mean to heat it that much and I figured it couldn't be that good for it, I didn't see any smoke at all though. When I first started blasting it was into a pyrex dish in a pot of freshly boiling water. I agree that that's probably a little excessive. I think if I have to reheat I'll just reheat some water from now on so I don't risk degradation.

I use a honey bee extractor and I take a coffee filter, put it over the end, and then screw the cap over it. Maybe I could fit 2 under there but definitely not 10-20 :P

Thanks for the help
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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I use a honey bee extractor and can easily fit 10+ in the lid. you need to cut our circles the exact size of the inside of the lid. ive found when doing it that way, the threads sometimes rip the filter and allow small plant chunks into the oil.

I normally only use hot water when I am purging... after that, shes done. when you wanna heat it up to smoke it, just flash it with a lighter for 1 second max. it should soften it up just enough for you to scoop a little dab ;)

good luck and dont forget to post some pics :)
 
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Nemsicle

Member
I've actually had more problems cutting them out, small pieces of bud got under it somehow and into my dish, that's never happened when I just screw over it. When they gave me the pre-cutout screens those were great, I should buy some more. I'm about to get out of class and then I'll post some pics
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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screwing over it works too, its just tough with several filters and it can also screw with the threads, not allowing you to make a super tight seal because theres 5 layers of filter in there, thus its not air tight and butane can spray out backwards out of the extractors threads and miss the bowl, also causing it to not build up as much pressure as it would like to.

use unbleached coffee filters if possible, like the brown colored ones they sell you. (bleach makes paper white... white paper = "bad" to smoke out of)
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
Nemsicle said:
I've been making a lot of BHO recently and I'm trying to purge better without the use of a vacuum.
Right now my method is the following:
-Heat up water in a big pot (not quite boiling)
-Blast into a pyrex dish in the pot so the water's touching the bottom of the dish
-Let it sit in pot until bubbling stops
-Pop all bubbles, lots crisscrosses with razor
-Scrape everything together, mix it around until I don't see/hear anymore bubbles popping

Sometimes I have to reheat my bho because it gets too hard to work with and mix. To do this I heat the glass dish with a torch for a little bit from underneath. Sometimes when I do this the bho starts to bubble like crazy and it almost looks like it's boiling. They're small bubbles unlike the huge bubbles that take forever to pop on their own when the butane is initially evaporating. Is this degrading my bho or is more butane evaporating?

Also, would you recommend grinding bud up finely or just throwing small nugs into the extraction tube? I haven't really been able to tell if one is better than the other.
Last question: Does using multiple coffee filters help at all? I've only used one at a time.

Thanks for your time! :bigjoint:

I'll post pictures of some of the bho I've been making later...
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The small fizzy bubbles are CO2 from decarboxylation. You are also converting some of the THC to CBN.

Butane is non polar and relatively forgiving, so we usually grind our herb to a 10 mesh for uniform packing. We loosely break up small nugs by hand if we are using a polar solvent like alcohol.

We use two filters, with a silkscreen over them for blowout protection.

 
Guzias1

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
vacpurge said:
and yes, multiple filters doesnt hurt. try using 10-20 and see how that works out.
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best info right there!!!! just be sure to cut off any excess filter not being used at end of tube.. (you do loose very tiny amounts of bho in filter, so this is why you trim off excess filter)
 
Guzias1

Guzias1

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gonna do a run tonight, maybe a nice documentation with pics could be possible :] i think i;ll be working with a little under half a p, hopefully 3-4 tubes worth..

and fadedawg

10 mesh?

10 openings per inch? so thats like super fine? or not super fine?

to get that fine? how do you do so? are little leaflets good? or do you put everything through a grinder? i have not been able to visualize what a "10 mesh " screen looks like..

is this a dedicated grinder you use?

have you ever achieved the honeycomb texture while grinding down to "10 mesh" my experience with grinded stuff, is oily product.. never been able to achieve honeycomb ..
i do prefer very good trim though, no buds, no stems..
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
Guzias1 said:
gonna do a run tonight, maybe a nice documentation with pics could be possible :] i think i;ll be working with a little under half a p, hopefully 3-4 tubes worth..

and fadedawg

10 mesh?

10 openings per inch? so thats like super fine? or not super fine?

to get that fine? how do you do so? are little leaflets good? or do you put everything through a grinder? i have not been able to visualize what a "10 mesh " screen looks like..

is this a dedicated grinder you use?

have you ever achieved the honeycomb texture while grinding down to "10 mesh" my experience with grinded stuff, is oily product.. never been able to achieve honeycomb ..
i do prefer very good trim though, no buds, no stems..
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10 mesh is about like the average kitchen pasta strainer. Slightly smaller than the 1/8" marks on a measuring tape.

We can achieve honeycomb texture grinding to 10 mesh, and the secret to honeycomb appears tobe in maintaining the oil in the carboxylic acid form, so that when we pull a vacuum, it raises into a muffin. Viscosity seems to be more about heat and material age than particle size.

Decarboxylating the raw carboxylic acid oleoresin, reduces its viscosity and turns from a stiff resin, to a slumpy or runny oil.

Really dry material will most likely also be partially decarboxylated by drying and age,and may never produce a stiff oleoresin.
 
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ruudong

Active Member
I HAVE BEEN MAKING IT JUST STARTED
but i only use the fan and sugar Leif i grind it up about half an oz

usualy get close to 2 grams

but i can not get it all of the dish lol

saying that its great fun for a few days later trying to scrape it off lol its amazing how powerfull it is

can i ask whats the best way to smoke it (i hot knife it then rub it on to skins and make a joint and the j is still kick ass after it )

second q if i used the buds would i get a bigger amount ??

ps i only use the fan lief with crystals on it
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

New Member
hot knives is a pretty good way to smoke it, although if youre planning on becoming serious and smoking lots for a long time, you might want to invest in a ti nail to put into a bong, a quartz nail to put into a bong, or a fullly dedicated, all glass, oil only smoking bong. I find that oil joints are fairly inefficient. I can put 3 hoots/tiny drips on the paper and it doesnt make it that much better.. try smoking the joint then having 3 oil hoots. youll hit the ground.

yes, if you use buds, you will get a lot more, and it will be a lot nicer ;)

try making it in a stainless steel dish from wal mart. theyre about 4$ and you can recover 100% of the oil in about 2 minutes with a flat razor blade (6$ for ten at wal mart) and a pair of forceps (8$ in fishing section at walmart) or vicegrips. set it in a dish of hot water for 30 seconds. and it heats it up enough to scrape it for a minute or so. works very good, easy. and cheap.

also, I think some people spray it right onto parchment paper. you can then put it in the freezer and it comes off the paper with 0 difficulties in 1 nice, perfect, frozen puck.
 
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