Bio-Canna - The only true organics?

wyteboi

wyteboi

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donkeyote said:
Earth Juice is %100 organic, and cheap. Just make sure you run the full line as directed. I'm on my third run with the stuff and love it.
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the meta-k and the microblast are not organic, but who cares.
I have also used EJ for 3 or 4 grows and it has been hell. i cant blame it on the food because as i said organics is a artwork. The only thing i see bad about EJ is that the PH is pure acid. (a few drops of bloom will lower your ph to 4 or less!)

Donkey can u please tell me what medium u are using? feel free to pm me.
i found that Pro-Mix BX and EJ do not like each other, i would love to see how you got it to work!

wb:joint:
 
donkeyote

donkeyote

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wyteboi said:
the meta-k and the microblast are not organic, but who cares.
I have also used EJ for 3 or 4 grows and it has been hell. i cant blame it on the food because as i said organics is a artwork. The only thing i see bad about EJ is that the PH is pure acid. (a few drops of bloom will lower your ph to 4 or less!)

Donkey can u please tell me what medium u are using? feel free to pm me.
i found that Pro-Mix BX and EJ do not like each other, i would love to see how you got it to work!

wb:joint:
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I've used FFOF through these first three grows. Your right about the PH being low, the first lady i grew out had a little premature yellowing, but i grew out 4 clones from that original yellow lady and all four purpled up and stayed purple until the very end.

I don't even have a digital PH meter, just the drops, but i think i have it dialed in pretty good, i just add a dash of baking soda when i mix it all up.

Also, i use Canna PK13/14 instead of the metaK, but do use the microblast.

One other mistake i made early on, was only mixing bloom nutes without any grow nutes once flowering took off. I think it's pretty important if your using EJ, to have some grow nutes all the way through to avoid premature yellowing of the fan leaves.

Obviously, results vary.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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donkeyote said:
I've used FFOF through these first three grows.
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thank you , i know its the microbes now. your soil is good shit mine is just peat.

donkeyote said:
I don't even have a digital PH meter, just the drops, but i think i have it dialed in pretty good, i just add a dash of baking soda when i mix it all up.
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i would not worry about ph at all with your soil , or any soil , it all buffers VERY well so stay away from that baking soda it is not good for plants. (not that bad but not good)

donkeyote said:
One other mistake i made early on, was only mixing bloom nutes without any grow nutes once flowering took off. I think it's pretty important if your using EJ, to have some grow nutes all the way through to avoid premature yellowing of the fan leaves.

Obviously, results vary.
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I think it is VERY important to use N all the way through. with ANY nute line.
*green leaves=big buds*

wb:bigjoint:
 
donkeyote

donkeyote

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wyteboi said:
thank you , i know its the microbes now. your soil is good shit mine is just peat.




wb:bigjoint:
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Ya i forgot to mention that i also use oregonism to keep up my micro herd. I dust the roots with it whenever i transplant, as well as one good watering with Oregonism+ Molasses thats ben bubbled overnight.

One question i do have about that is....does the PK13/14 kill the microbeasties? I thought i read once that a P reading over 12 or so will kill any beneficial bacteria. Man, one more year and i get to start my hardcore Botany classes at school and I wont have to rely on the Internet for these answers, lol. I can't wait.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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donkeyote said:
Ya i forgot to mention that i also use oregonism to keep up my micro herd. I dust the roots with it whenever i transplant, as well as one good watering with Oregonism+ Molasses thats ben bubbled overnight.
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can u send me a link to the microbes u are talking about?

donkeyote said:
One question i do have about that is....does the PK13/14 kill the microbeasties? I thought i read once that a P reading over 12 or so will kill any beneficial bacteria. Man, one more year and i get to start my hardcore Botany classes at school and I wont have to rely on the Internet for these answers, lol. I can't wait.
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i dont think the npk or just the p will kill microbes , i think synthetic foods kill them but i am not sure, i will look into that right now.........

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wyteboi

wyteboi

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synthetic nutes will NOT kill the microbes , the salt buildup will but there is really no difference in organic nutes and synthetic ones. the plant uptake it the same way no matter what. now the organic food is kind of a slow release compared to synthetic. but they both do the same thing.

now i would be very careful with that 13/14 unless you have plenty of N to go with it!
 
Dwight D. Schrute

Dwight D. Schrute

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Awareness said:
Is Bio-Canna the only true organic nutrient range?

Im really interested in organic growing, Canna must be good as they are based in Holland, i also heard that they are the only OMRI listed nutrients, so really they are the only organic nutrients right?
Officially speaking...

I just saw one dudes grow here using Bio-Canna, his plants look so healthy, anyone else using these nutrients?

:peace:

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-Please do nut adjust pH
-DO NOT inject air in your res
-You don't need a PPM meter

The do not inject air kind of bothers me, but from what my research has led me too they say its because air pumps force bacteria into the sterile solution.
I wanna see some one give this stuff a shot....
 
Rrog

Rrog

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To look at this realistically- In the real world, not your basement, the microbes and plant are really acting as one. There's is a relationship there, one helping the other. Pour ferts on the plant and the role of the microbes changes or is gone.

I'm not here suggesting anyone change the way they grow, but the industry sure has stretched what "organic" means. It's become a meaningless commercialized word.
 
snowboarder396

snowboarder396

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Sorry... But bottled nutes even if stated organic isn't organic. Synthetic nutes do in fact kill micro organisms. Also by using your bottled nutes your feeding the plant, your not giving the microbes time to do there job which would deplete there numbers. If your soil has what it needs the micro organism will turn it into food for the plant. By adding all your bottled nutes your taking away the symbiotic relationship that micro organisms and living soil have with the plant, therefore making your plants dependent on what you feed them from the bottle. You need to get away from that Crap if you want actual organics. Good place to start learning better about what your plants need and how everything works and connects together read teaming with microbes.
 
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