Blueberry, DWC, Full Grow, DIY Nutes, Vertical Scrogg, 100w mh, 150 hps

Ray Fox

Ray Fox

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smoote1987 said:
Also I think I might start writing the notes in red instead of the blue. Any one second this?
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Second it! Actually it'd be cool if you kept it blue for veg and then changed it to red for flowering. Just a thought. For us since there aren't any flowers yet we have only been taking pics with a phone so we always try to edit the crappy quality out on the computer before putting them up... did you try editing out the light before posting?

This is a great journal Smoote, keep up the cleanliness! Actually have you checked out Stinkbud's thread on how to grow a pound every 3 weeks? You're pics are uber precise, if you keep it all up you could probably sell this to High Times like Stinkbud. Not bad huh? (plus you're writing's better haha) Just kidding if Stinkbud sees this...;)

Looking forward to more pics. Oh, and what temps are you keeping it at for the color change? Recently read that low temps can change the color of pretty much any plant on RIU to darker green or even bluish so we're thinking of trying it ourselves.



 
smoote1987

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Ray Fox said:
Second it! Actually it'd be cool if you kept it blue for veg and then changed it to red for flowering. Just a thought. For us since there aren't any flowers yet we have only been taking pics with a phone so we always try to edit the crappy quality out on the computer before putting them up... did you try editing out the light before posting?

This is a great journal Smoote, keep up the cleanliness! Actually have you checked out Stinkbud's thread on how to grow a pound every 3 weeks? You're pics are uber precise, if you keep it all up you could probably sell this to High Times like Stinkbud. Not bad huh? (plus you're writing's better haha) Just kidding if Stinkbud sees this...;)

Looking forward to more pics. Oh, and what temps are you keeping it at for the color change? Recently read that low temps can change the color of pretty much any plant on RIU to darker green or even bluish so we're thinking of trying it ourselves.



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Thanks for the ideas fox. I was asking on readability but color coded for the different stages could be a plan.

I did try to edit out the red but the color was so saturated red that i couldn't pull it back. I should have just re-taken the picture but i was being lazy :rolleyes:. I have a real nice camera, so I'm kind of spoiled. Those pictures of yours aren't bad for a camera phone, and hey at least you've got something right?

Hmmmm, i've peeked at it a few times but no heavy reading. I will have to go look for real. Thats pretty cool, I didn't know you could sell something like this. I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the compliment as well, i try to be to the point and again as detailed as possible. I'm glad you appreciate it.

I keep the temps at 78*F, humidity 60%
The conditions of the grow room are specified in the specifications of the grow. I recently updated the specifications a couple posts back. If you have a question not answered there please ask.

I've read about the cooler temps effects on plants but i was always under the impression that the temps had to be around 68*F. Though the plant is located pretty much on top of the intake vent, maybe it is slightly cooler where it is. The plant is also blueberry so i suspect that might have something to do with it as well.

Glad you like them, more pics and an update to come tomorrow.
 
smoote1987

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Pictures:

1. The whole room and plant.
2. Measurement. (measurements will be more detailed when the plant is larger)
3. Terminal Buds.
4. Training of the plant.

• I'm still trying to figure out the best way to attach the twist-ties to the screen to hold the plant back. Right now I like twisting the ties around a section of screen to hold back larger stems/shoots, and just bending a larger "U" type shape to hold back the leaves. This is for two reasons, the leaves are flimsy and don't need much to hold them in position, and it does not damage the leaves.

5. What's left of the flowering cutting.

Enjoy, and feel free to comment. :mrgreen:
 

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jigfresh

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The outline on the text is perfect. Very readible. Love how you have the info on the pics.

That flower clones is wild how the new growth just sprang from within.

I think I would do the training the same way with the ties and the leaves.

That is a happy looking plant.
 
smoote1987

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jigfresh said:
The outline on the text is perfect. Very readible. Love how you have the info on the pics.

That flower clones is wild how the new growth just sprang from within.

I think I would do the training the same way with the ties and the leaves.

That is a happy looking plant.
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Thanks for the feedback Jig, i was waiting for someone to say that. I tried a few other colors but the black out-line worked the best. May switch to red for flowering, i have to think more about it, i've got plenty of time though.

Thanks for the nod on the training. This is the second time that I've used the twist-ties. I've learned to be gentle, but the proper placement and tying is still coming. I'm going to have to figure out a way to tie the various shoots down and allow for their continued growth while not shading already trained shoots. I'm thinking just spread the plant sideways and then upwards. Also i've got a small sense of what the stretch will be like come flowering, but I'm sure i'll still be surprised.

I know, it is wild, thats exactly what I said when I saw it. I've got two more clones rooting right now that are re-vegged flowers, it will be fun to see if it happens in a similar way to each.

Yes the two more clones do mean two more journals to come on top of this one. I'm thinking I'll start the one clone's journal in about a week or two (Orange Crush), and then the last clone's journal in about three weeks ("the Unknown").

That's good to hear, i thought she looked very content as well :mrgreen:. She's growing fast too.
 
thor369

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looking good, like the square pots idea. i bet you could get 12 in a 3x3 area.

trying to get your picture of small grow. i always thought a600W in a3x3 was small. i will try to program my thoughts into stelth mode, and think about ideas.
 
smoote1987

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thor369 said:
looking good, like the square pots idea. i bet you could get 12 in a 3x3 area.

trying to get your picture of small grow. i always thought a600W in a3x3 was small. i will try to program my thoughts into stelth mode, and think about ideas.
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Man thats what i like to hear. Thanks for the extra effort.

Vertical scrogs are a little bigger trend in europe. Some of the guys over there are pulling weight. Almost all of them are using lights no more that 150-250w as well.

The dimensions of the buckets are. 9.85"L X 7.5"W X 9.85"H

i don't know about 12 but definitely close.

Update coming tonight...
 
Ray Fox

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Jigfresh said:
That is a happy looking plant.
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Hey Smoote looking nice. Liking the purple-blue color.

Just came up with an idea you might like. Hypothetically, couldn't multiple vertical scrogs be made into almost sheet like panels of grows? If so, they could be stored in a room one after another under one strong HPS light system. Possible idea for a grow to try out??
 
smoote1987

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Hey Smoote looking nice. Liking the purple-blue color.

Just came up with an idea you might like. Hypothetically, couldn't multiple vertical scrogs be made into almost sheet like panels of grows? If so, they could be stored in a room one after another under one strong HPS light system. Possible idea for a grow to try out??
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Thats actually relatively along the lines that i'm working right now. Except i'm creating a cylinder/tube of screen panels around the light. I have an idea for a very thin grow op, using a two sided led panel, with two panels of screens on each side of it. The only problem right now is money. I found the proper leds but it's going to take over 200 leds on each side of the panel. They're 2.90 a piece so thats like a cool 1000 for the led light panel. Ugh i gotta get paid.

The reason for the change from my current grow set-up would be the smaller footprint, less power consumption, more control, and IT'S MINE! I want to get my grow out of my closet and into something that my landlord can't demand that i open it up. I also want to be able to move around it. It's kind of hard to work with my grow as it is. Don't get me wrong it's a lot easier than it ever was now but it's still a bitch to work in.

Ok sorry for the late update guys, i got kidnapped by the wife for a surprise road trip to the shore and she didn't tell me where we were going until we got on the road. It was great but i felt bad leaving you guys hanging. I'm waiting for my camera battery to charge and then update.
 
jigfresh

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What are you doing trying to live a happy life when there are potheads on the internet that want your attention? Sounds like a fun little trip.

The led set up sound pretty bad ass, I'd really like to see that. I can't imagine the energy difference (especially if you were running 650w).

Don't you have multiple buckets? Are you going to put your smaller plants in them some time? Excuse me if you already explained this, for some reason my short term memory isn't the best.
 
smoote1987

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jigfresh said:
What are you doing trying to live a happy life when there are potheads on the internet that want your attention? Sounds like a fun little trip.

The led set up sound pretty bad ass, I'd really like to see that. I can't imagine the energy difference (especially if you were running 650w).

Don't you have multiple buckets? Are you going to put your smaller plants in them some time? Excuse me if you already explained this, for some reason my short term memory isn't the best.
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Pictures:

1. Whole room and plant
2. Terminal Buds, the plant has kind of exploded in terminal bud growth over the last week and it was a little too tedious for me to circle all of the new buds. So i decided to just circle the main four terminal buds. I'm sort of running out of places to tie the new shoots down to.

Haha didn't think i was going to be saying that.:hump:
3. example of leaf tying method.
4. The non-existent flower from the original cutting.
5. Two main terminal bud detail shot
6-8. The last three photos are nice close ups of new terminal bud growth and the purple coloring of the stems.

Yo Jig,

What's up man. Yea i know right. I'll make sure i'm on time with my updates from now on :wink: .

The led set up is what i was talking to you about before. The energy consumption for the leds would be 110w for 200, at around 20000-25000 lumens for the entire array. Its a pretty big difference. Not to mention the difference in heat signature. Less fans to exchange the heat from the lights. That also means the leds can be right up on the plant while being the exact spectrums that plants peak at during the photosynthetic process.

The way to pack everything in to the small space that i want is going to be the real challenge and is what i am currently trying to figure out.

Yep, i have 6 more buckets, exactly the same as the one shown. My one orange crush clone is just about ready for a bucket. I'm shooting for monday to start the journal, and at the latest the end of the week. After that my unknown strain clone will be ready for a bucket probably the next week. So two more journals coming soon. I hope you're as excited as me.

Alright i hope everyone enjoys the update. Let me know if any one wants to see/know anything not shown.
 

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smoote1987

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Pictures:


1. Full room and Plant
2. Measurement
3. Cuttings taken for cloning
4. Nutrient Deficiency... Any help on identifying the deficiency would be greatly appreciated, right now I'm just guessing.
5. Nutrient Deficiency Detail

ENJOY! :mrgreen:

Edit: It's not written in the notes but I also raised the nutrient PPM to 1000
 

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jigfresh

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The screens looking a lot more managable with those cuttings gone. I agree with the strategy. Your stem is getting knotty and thick. I totally know what you mean by too many shoots developing... it's like the plant just doesn't listen when you tell it what you want it to do.

I don't know about the def... but I'll look into it. Two researchers are better than one. And if it's only on the older leaves that's not too bad, it's when things are affecting your new growth you really want to worry (I think that's true, I may just be talking out my roots).

Oh... I also have a theory as to why you don't have a ton of traffic... I think it's because you seem to know what you are doing too much, and your unique set up. My guess is people are intimidated by the brilliance, haha.
 
Hulk Nugs

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are you going to flower those clones with the scrog going or are they for next grow ?

Setup looks nice man, screens just getting filled up more every time i look at it........doing great man keep it up.
 
smoote1987

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Hulk Nugs said:
are you going to flower those clones with the scrog going or are they for next grow ?

Setup looks nice man, screens just getting filled up more every time i look at it........doing great man keep it up.
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Well which ever clone shows to be the biggest strongest one is for me and then the other three were taken for a friend.

They are for next grow. Trying to keep the perpetual schedule going, i hate being dry. It actually looks like i've accidentally put my self on a schedule where I will harvest a plant every week for the first three weeks of each month and then have one week off, but thats only if the estimates of timing that i've made are correct. I figure i'll never have to keep a mother as long as i can keep taking cuttings from clones. It's risky though, if anything ever happened to that plant you're kind of shit out of luck.

Thanks for the compliments, i like to hear that I'm doing good, i swear I'm like a lost puppy sometimes.
 
smoote1987

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jigfresh said:
The screens looking a lot more managable with those cuttings gone. I agree with the strategy. Your stem is getting knotty and thick. I totally know what you mean by too many shoots developing... it's like the plant just doesn't listen when you tell it what you want it to do.

I don't know about the def... but I'll look into it. Two researchers are better than one. And if it's only on the older leaves that's not too bad, it's when things are affecting your new growth you really want to worry (I think that's true, I may just be talking out my roots).

Oh... I also have a theory as to why you don't have a ton of traffic... I think it's because you seem to know what you are doing too much, and your unique set up. My guess is people are intimidated by the brilliance, haha.
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Yo Jig,

First off.....YOURE THE BEST!

That last statement had me laughing so hard, my sides got sore.

I had a feeling that the journal might be intimidating, but lets hope not. I would love to have questions asked about the set-up. The whole point of the journal was to try to share my process and help all those who have to work under the same conditions. That said, PLEASE COMMENT! I don't bite, I'm more newbie than not, I'm just too meticulous for my own good.

Yea the screen has been getting really full. I didn't know where to tie anything down anymore. Thinning the plant's shoots out really opened it up and allowed for the larger shoots to have more room to spread out. Besides the plant has already put out new shoots in the area that was opened up, I haven't checked on the grow yet today but I bet the new shoots in that area will already be over an inch or two long. The metal halide really has been such an improvement, the growth rate is literally uncontrollable.

The one thing that I didn't bank on when I thought that it was a good idea to give the plant equal light intensity and distribution across the whole plant was that the base of the plant wouldn't stop growing, and that every part of the plant would follow suit.

I think I will have to use a combination of tying, thinning, and allowing the plant to shade under growth in the future to adequately control the plant and make it grow in the way that I want at a manageable rate.

Oh and thanks for the help on the def. Two is always better, if more pictures of the def. would help just let me know
 
Ray Fox

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SMOOOOOOOOOOOOTE!!!! Hey man so we are probably gonna start another grow of 3 clones from our mama plant in a week (2 weeks of flowering). Look for it. :blsmoke:Why do we bother posting this on your wall? Because we're following your grow as a mentor for a clone taken during flowering. Thought you might like to know. Oh, and babies look great!:joint:

Didn't realize we weren't subscribed before... :leaf:
 
smoote1987

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jigfresh said:
I think you may have an uphill battle making it grow how you want. You can't hold them back.

About the leaves... I think it's a K (potasium) def.
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Yea i know right, can't help but try though. I think I'm going to try to fill 3/4 of the screen and then thin out the center of the screen and put into flower. My thinking on this is that during the first few weeks of flower the outside shoots that i leave will finish filling out the screen and then the thinned out center of the screen will fill back in. Anyone second this idea?

I was thinking that as well but second guessed myself and went with Mg, the darkness of the necrosis is what made me think it was K. The necrosis is very grey and black, not as much brown as i originally thought.

Thanks for the help Jig. BTW the laughing i spoke of earlier was good laughing. I'm honored to be held in such high esteem by you. You just caught me of gaurd and it made me laugh.
 
smoote1987

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Ray Fox said:
SMOOOOOOOOOOOOTE!!!! Hey man so we are probably gonna start another grow of 3 clones from our mama plant in a week (2 weeks of flowering). Look for it. :blsmoke:Why do we bother posting this on your wall? Because we're following your grow as a mentor for a clone taken during flowering. Thought you might like to know. Oh, and babies look great!:joint:

Didn't realize we weren't subscribed before... :leaf:
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Nice, I'm glad to have inspired you. The reveg of a flower can be done, it just takes a long time. Count on the cutting not showing roots for at least a week and a half to three weeks.

I'll be watching, and great to have you subscribed.
 
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