RedCarpetMatches
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Yeah it makes great mulch and disperses water evenly. The clover hasn't popped up yet...you know how us gingers love our clovers.
bodhi seeds
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Mad Hamish
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VERY interesting stuff happens when you do this. Usually clones off those re-vegged clones just ROCK. I quite like the funny look of those calyxes unfurling into twisted little leaves and then straightening out as it ages (on the new shoots). I find it pretty miraculous and absolutely mind-blowing. I mean it is literally watching life find a way to cheat death. Think about it. Absolutely miraculous.
Only thing is, don't expect a clone that has flowered and been re-vegged to be exactly the same as the mommy because it won't be exactly the same. You will get a whole different expression of genetic potential at times, literally a new 'phenotype' off the same 'genotype'. We saw this with our NYCD mom. Four of us had clones off her, but after a year or 3 they were acting quite differently for each of us. Differences in flavor, yield and potency were clear as day. Mine never had to be re-vegged and stayed the same, pure grapefruit stanky POWER, the other fellas all had some issue at some point and had to force a re-veg.
They all stayed insanely good and it was also still obvious they were at least from the same pack so we are not talking a total chameleon act, but enough to notice easily (for us at least).
On another note, I am finding myself still a little confused by Indy dom plants. The Clusterfunk RMX is just like most Indies I have tried, so far short and squat and vegges so slowly. For sure giving them their own tent or I have no idea how I will work things out. Got a Golden Goat cross right next to them, germed at the same time but the GG x OG is double the size. Not only physical size but structural development also. A set of leaves ahead and pushing another node.
Perhaps they need their own tent and an extended veg period. Got a feeling if I do that they will make the extra time worth my while. Rather put more time into veg and get a PROPA full tent than rush it. Damn exciting stuff. Nothing like a new experience to get the synapses going. This time, I will get the most out of them. That, or you guys each owe me a kick in the nuts.
TonightYou
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Ya know i was wondering if aging plants and clones did get a genetic drift. I've done some research on the difference types of aging of plants, which makes me think that it's completely possible plants change, particularly with it being an annual plant. I've noticed flowering periods seems to short a bit, but primarily that flower onset starts much earlier, displaying very obvious sex while in veg (no not auto flower).
tonight is my first attempt at a coconut oil extraction. obvious decarb first (220 F for 25 min) followed by 5- 6 hours of crock pot fun. Probably have 2 lbs of trim and the like in the freezer. Any advice or suggestions appreciates.
I also forget about other breeders now. Next buy is Sensi Maple leaf. Been wanting a heavy afghan in the garden.
eta golden goat is one clone only I'd actually really want along with bubba. Man did I love golden goat.
tonight is my first attempt at a coconut oil extraction. obvious decarb first (220 F for 25 min) followed by 5- 6 hours of crock pot fun. Probably have 2 lbs of trim and the like in the freezer. Any advice or suggestions appreciates.
I also forget about other breeders now. Next buy is Sensi Maple leaf. Been wanting a heavy afghan in the garden.
eta golden goat is one clone only I'd actually really want along with bubba. Man did I love golden goat.
RedCarpetMatches
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What a coinkydink!!! I've been looking into the pure Afghan as well. ML gets rave reviews from everyone! Haven't read one bad thing about it
Mad Hamish
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I am with you on your observations one hundred percent. Plants definitely change, unless they live absolutely stress-free and never ever leave the room even. So it has become important for me to figure this out exactly, because there are guys that have kept the same plants for 30 years that feel it has not changed. Like Clacamas Coot's The One. That cut has been going since the 70's.
The remarks about flowering, spot on. Also noticed the same thing. Used it to my advantage a few times too
I also found that with the shorter flowering time, there is a loss of potency but an increase in yield. Flavor tends to also thin out a little. Structurally gods alone know what will happen. I have had a Cheese end up growing triple sets of leaves instead of double. Insane. That Cheese yielded like nothing I have had before or since, though. Pity I don't like Cheese lol, it has been WAAAAAY overdone here, kinda like I hear people in Cali start feeling about OG. Amazing co-incidence, I spent all day researching medibles. Learned so much! I think I want to go the decarbed tincture for pain and a cold extract for a non-psychoactive depression medicine. It is for a friend's mom. Rather that than one of the amazingly delicious-looking recipes I found. That is just ASKING for over-medication. Not something you want to do to an old lady. People respect drops. Sweeties, not so much.
I am VERY excited with this Golden Goat cross. Golden Goat x Joseph OG. I had never even heard of it when the beans rocked up (I actually had to send an e-mail finding out what the hell all 3 packs were I didn't know the acronyms, you guys in the States are hardcore). A strain named after a recycling factory that smelled of fermenting soda syrup?! F**K YEAH! You just KNOW that is going to be dank. Crossed to Jo... BBOOOIIINNGGG!!! *sorry but yeah it is bit of a stoner wet dream*
Growing like crazy things. I feel so blessed.
EDIT: A mate of mine grew some Maple Leaf a good while ago. Thing is, it was right in his yard and I only noticed it more than halfway through flower. The world's most well disguised herb that is for sure. He also had a 'Duckfoot' which looked even less like herb. Incredible stuff really. Once you notice them, they are insanely beautiful for their totally exotic looks.
Mad Hamish
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My personal opinion on that is most definitely. I have myself never had a revegged plant come out exactly like the mom. Sometimes I liked the difference, sometimes not at all. If you flower the re-vegged plant itself you will see a HUGE difference. Clones will do a lot better and only have a subtle difference from the original bud. But it is always different in my case. But I am just one guy so not claiming it is going to happen every time...
TonightYou
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My goji only has gotten better, but I've become a better grower since the last year.
Mad Hamish
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And you will be better still next year, and the year after that, and then some... Just no ceiling to this hobby
TonightYou
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I know and that's part of the love that is gardening in general. Plus there are different ways of cultivating I'd still love to try one day, hydro. Won't do it in an apartment, too many things can go wrong. last thing I need is some reservoir tipping over and going into the next apartment. Plus I'm pretty much limited on my circuit at this timeAnd you will be better still next year, and the year after that, and then some... Just no ceiling to this hobby
st0wandgrow
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Re: Coconut oil infusion. I do mine on the stove top. 1/2 oz of bud/trim to 1 cup coconut oil. I bring it to around 220 degrees, and simmer it there for about 3 hours stirring/mashing every half hour or so. Remove from heat, and let cool for about an hour then strain in to jar or gel caps. Very easy. I have a butter ecipe too that is great for making chocolates, but it takes a couple days to make the butter. I actually just made a batch. Too bad we don't live close by otherwise I'd share.
I'll let you know how it is in a few weeks. If I were basing keepers off of looks alone, these would have hit the trash bin already. Tiny little things, with very little trichome coverage. I know better than to judge a book by it's cover, but man these things don't look impressive at all!
TonightYou
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Too bad indeed!Re: Coconut oil infusion. I do mine on the stove top. 1/2 oz of bud/trim to 1 cup coconut oil. I bring it to around 220 degrees, and simmer it there for about 3 hours stirring/mashing every half hour or so. Remove from heat, and let cool for about an hour then strain in to jar or gel caps. Very easy. I have a butter ecipe too that is great for making chocolates, but it takes a couple days to make the butter. I actually just made a batch. Too bad we don't live close by otherwise I'd share.
I'll let you know how it is in a few weeks. If I were basing keepers off of looks alone, these would have hit the trash bin already. Tiny little things, with very little trichome coverage. I know better than to judge a book by it's cover, but man these things don't look impressive at all!
Now do you think this method is better than using a crock pot? Seems a bit more time/labor intensive
st0wandgrow
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I can't say for sure. My crock pot only has a high/low setting on it, so I use the stove top with a candy thermometer and it lets me dial it in to a pretty precise temp. I'd say as long as you're in the 200-250 degree range for 2-3 hours you will be good.
TonightYou
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Thanks mate! I'll take some photos of the process in case anyone is interested or could provide critiques later on.
TonightYou
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I do plan on putting the canna coconut oil into double zero capsules for day dosage if it turns out to be good and strong. just need to order a press as I'm not making a mess by hand. A dear friend uses one for Kratom capsules and they are easy to dose and get in one's system.
Will start the process in about an hour. just dealing with the joys of commuting such as idiot drivers and car busting pot holes.
eta this will be a first for me, I've made butter before (not well ) and usually make bubble hash from trim (very good if I don't say so myself, always holds me over when I'm out of flowers).
Well I shall definitely post it since there is interest. Besides all the trim /leaf is from Bodhi plants so its relevant.
I do plan on putting the canna coconut oil into double zero capsules for day dosage if it turns out to be good and strong. just need to order a press as I'm not making a mess by hand. A dear friend uses one for Kratom capsules and they are easy to dose and get in one's system.
Will start the process in about an hour. just dealing with the joys of commuting such as idiot drivers and car busting pot holes.
eta this will be a first for me, I've made butter before (not well ) and usually make bubble hash from trim (very good if I don't say so myself, always holds me over when I'm out of flowers).
Amos Otis
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5 gal pails filled w/ 3 gals liquid is darn hard to tip over if you were trying too. 5 gal tote bins/lids are wider and lower - nearly impossible to tip over. They' re pretty heavy, but the time to move them is on reservoir change day: empty, move, refill...and the few minutes shot of pure air always seems to make 'em smile.
TonightYou
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Well I have in my mind the ideal hydro setup, which would include self draining and filling. Back is bad enough that I hate bringing up bags of happy frog, but moving water is much heavier and I don't want to inadvertently spill.
TonightYou
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Okay, about to run the very, very strong odor ganja mess with coconut oil through a strainer. I'll pop a few pictures of the goop, and write up a whole review tomorrow once the oil separates from the water.
Seriously strong odor, worse than trimming. Thank you who ever created Nag Champa, but it simply smells like ganja and incense.
ETA it's been in since 7 pm, temperature peeked around 200, switched to low where is been around 175-185 for over 4.5 hours.
Seriously strong odor, worse than trimming. Thank you who ever created Nag Champa, but it simply smells like ganja and incense.
ETA it's been in since 7 pm, temperature peeked around 200, switched to low where is been around 175-185 for over 4.5 hours.
st0wandgrow
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I don't use water for making this oil. Curious to see how yours turns out.