Bogus GSC seeds ?

It's like crack to the west coast...
I never liked "cookie dough" flavor of the GSC, and I smoked it before there were fakes.
The high isn't quite as strong as good OG, but potency is "top notch".
I like the lemon pinesol+skunk flavors, they seem to get me ripped even more.

Afeter 50 years on this earth and smoking cannabis since the 70's, its amazing to me to see people wet their pants about cannabis strains. I love good potent cannabis. But I have found that chasing holy grail strains is kind of a joke. There are so many potent varieties out there. Without pointing fingers at any geographical locations, I believe it makes some feel better to believe they have better than anyone else. Remember most of the world has bought in to the US bullshit weed laws. So all of us can not get clones or go to a dispensary or get a doctors recomendation and casually grow pot in our homes. So we have to take whats available at the online seed vendors. if you are like me you are just greatful that you can get quality genetics to grow. Maybe these clone only strains are all they are supposed to be. But after years of using cannabis you just get excited when you come across a good strain that makes you feel great. Names be damned!!

Yeah, maybe I'll just look for something else. I honestly didn't know it was such a big deal until I started reading online. lol I just asked a buddy what he thought I should look for. He said GSC. The flavor, smell, etc. sounded interesting. I'm not too worried about having the best stuff. Thats really a matter of opinion anyway. Thanks for the replies !!

Anyone have suggestions ? i'm looking for something that's different, or maybe even a little unusual in the taste and smell categories. As long as it does the job, it doesn't have to be the most powerful. I have the Sativa covered. So I'd prefer something more on the Indica side.

Kite High said:

so no one could self a clone and produce seeds of the pheno?

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Not only "can" this be done, it HAS been done.

There are several breeders who have jumped on the bandwagon, and are selling what they claim are S1 offspring of GSC right now.

The problem is, contrary to what they (and internet "experts") would have you believe, S1 ceeds are NOT genetically identical to the self-crossed parent.

An S1 cross is a sexual cross, just like any other, and if you cross two hybrids, you end up throwing off a lot of phenos.

In this case, GSC is such a hybrid, and the S1 ceeds should be expected to throw off a lot of different phenos. Most of these phenos should have SOME traits from the parent, but because of recessive genes and general genetic variation, many of them will have traits NOT seen in the parent.

Of course by random chance some offspring should be highly similar to the parent, but these will be more the exception than the rule, and you may have to grow out 10 packs of ceeds before you find something like that. This also presumes that you have grown the "real" GSC and would be able to recognize it, if you saw it. . .most people buying such ceeds simply would NOT be able to do that!

Think about it. If it were possible to create good ceed versions of "clone only" lines just by self-crossing them, there would be no such thing as a "clone only" line.

Bottom line, nobody has "real" GSC in ceed form and whether or not its even possible to create something in ceed form that's a consistently good approximation of the famous parent is questionable.

If you want the real deal, you have to get your hands on a clone.

Alternatively, there are also a number of new strains out there using GSC as one parent. Again, while these may well be great in their own right, obviously GSC x "something else" isn't going to be the same as GSC.

91GT347 said:

Anyone have suggestions ? i'm looking for something that's different, or maybe even a little unusual in the taste and smell categories. As long as it does the job, it doesn't have to be the most powerful. I have the Sativa covered. So I'd prefer something more on the Indica side.

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I've recently had great results with Williams Wonder, which is an "old school" indica going back to the 1980s recently brought back by Sickmeds from Spain. You can check the grow report in my signature for just about anything you'd want to know about this line.

Its got an unusual (for an indica) citrusy smell/taste, plus high yield and high potency, and it sounds exactly like what you're looking for. Last time I had some, I rolled about 1/3 of a bud into a small joint, and simply didn't want to finish it. . .that's how potent this is. Its also an inbred line, meaning that all plants grown from a pack will be similar, and you won't have to do any "hunting" to find a good one.

Only caveats are: like many heavy indicas, its got dense buds and is prone to rot; you have to control humidity or you can lose your crop. Also, this one seems a little a bit more hermie prone than some other lines, and will put out some male flowers if you stress the plant, so again, be careful.

Awesome. Thanks man. I will check into that. Let me ask this though. The strains that you can buy seed for, you could produce seeds from those, right ? I mean, isn't that what they have done ? Just keep breeding until all the offspring turn out almost identical. Not trying to sound stupid, but I'm new to the "strain game". lol

91GT347 said:

Awesome. Thanks man. I will check into that. Let me ask this though. The strains that you can buy seed for, you could produce seeds from those, right ? I mean, isn't that what they have done ? Just keep breeding until all the offspring turn out almost identical. Not trying to sound stupid, but I'm new to the "strain game". lol

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Yes, you can cross any male and female to create ceeds.

But how the offspring ceeds turn out will be highly dependent on the genetic characteristics of the parents.

*IF* (and only if) said male and female are from the same inbred line, then you would expect the ceeds to grow into plants similar to the parents. Williams Wonder, that I mentioned above happens to be an inbred line, and sure, if you got ceeds of it grew out a male and female and crossed them, you could generate a large quantity of your own pretty easily. The same is true of numerous other inbred lines (eg Durban Poison, Herijuana, etc).

You can also cross two DIFFERENT inbred lines to create "F1" hybrid ceeds that will be relatively stable, with all of the plants grown from said ceeds being similar to each other and having some traits from each parent.

The problem is that if you cross plants that are non-inbred/hybrids (especially crossing DIFFERENT hybrids) the offspring won't be consistent. You'll end up with a random mish mash of traits from both parents spread out amongst different ceeds. Some of these plants may be good, some mediocre, some terrible, and you can't know until you grow them out. Many (and probably most) popular drug strains are, in fact, unstable hybrids like this.

Yes, in theory you can play breeder, cross these, do selections and repeat the process over multiple generations until you isolate the traits you like into a stable line, but that's a **LOT** of work, requiring growing out potentially hundreds of plants over half a dozen generations for a full 2+ year project. And unless you start with great genetics AND know what you're doing, you'll probably end up with something that's not any better than what's already out there. . .that you could have saved a LOT of time and effort (let alone money) just buying to begin with.

In short, if you want CONSISTENT ceeds that you make yourself, you'll have to start with one (or two) inbred lines. If you don't mind creating "crap shoot" ceeds, then you can play "pollen chucker" cross any two random plants and see what happens.

The reason GSC is selling for so much, is not because of the name, it's because the damn thing yields like ass! That's why you see it selling for $60 an 8th. The yield is the smallest I've seen on a clone only.

There are basically two good versions of GSC but many other versions of GSC like SCM GSC,MO's GSC, DNH Platinum GSC ect. Pieguy's GSC is the original Thin Mint AKA OGKB cut. It yields better than the Forum cut but it's not as frosty. The other is the forum cut, yields like crap but is extremely frosty, more so than the original. The reason I know this is because my friend has the original and the forum cut. I have the forum cut also. The forum cut is very tasty 10 out of 10 and extremely smooth 10 out of 10, the high is about a 7 or an 8 out of 10. It's potent but not like the Tahoe or other excellent OG's.

Sin City Seeds called Sinmint is the only legit GSC seeds out there right now.Like Jogro said, it's going to take a bunch of packs to find something really good. Atleast Sin City always gives 15 seeds instead of the standard 10.

can't we all just get along!? ?:
Come on, we need to all try and get along. Just trying to make peace. Anyways, I will get outta here & let y'all bump heads if you wanna! But there's no need.

no thier is no need life has humbled me on many ocassion lossing everthing to growing ever cent and ever long hour... but i think he ment a wana be was for me because i cant spell.. but i dont name call anyone unless they offend me.. and i realy dont care about the strain i dont even run it anymore.. but i think i have had a belly full of that girl scout cookies even though it has brought me back in the light in a new area i moved to and it was one of the best strains i ever ran but through imprisenment i lived alot i learned alot im not a bad person im a hard worker.. from sun up to sun down i worked and nothing was handed to me ever... but i came on hear to read what they had to say about the strain even so many versions... as a matter of fact the guy who gave it to me when mongo frog was on his search i had told him i knew people but this one guy was a long shot he took the shot himself and we both came out with something close to it if no the real deal but it has been my best one and it wasnt stable so that thier has to tell you something its FIRE!!!! but i have had a belly full and i just cant stand the GSC any more to many opionion everyone is intitled but i still say it comes down to the grower.. the grower is the one responsible for the way it comes out you know if i grow it you grow it it will come out diffrent taste diffrent to many varibles..oh buy the way the guy who gifted me those strains is on his way hear from up north just to trade strain again no lie i will be getting penut butter cookies aka oddie cookies platnuim cookies and a few others.. but i dont think that dude would keep in contact after him getting introuble to this day i still talk to him its in the genetics we hold close we know what works and what sucks and i think thats why he keeps in contact with me.. or i wouldnt be talking to him.. lolz

Understandable bro. Those strians you mentioned sounds intresting! Yeah, I've ran GSC b4, and I hate to be the one to go agaisnt the grain, but I just didn't think it was all that! Hell, maybe I didn't have the real deal, who knows!! Like said b4, I would rather grow out ATf myself! Lol..

lol "bogus"

lololololol at this thread. "meet me in person" "I'll suck my own cock" what'd I miss?! hahahha

~Dankster~420 said:

Understandable bro. Those strians you mentioned sounds intresting! Yeah, I've ran GSC b4, and I hate to be the one to go agaisnt the grain, but I just didn't think it was all that! Hell, maybe I didn't have the real deal, who knows!! Like said b4, I would rather grow out ATf myself! Lol..

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I hear you Dankster who knows i just know what i got was realy good.. and thats all i can say but its like phenoes i just leard about a year ago i had no idea thier are so many phenoes.. man how could i be so dumb not knowing that thier are alot of charecteristics... ow well ill step out of this thread trash talking doesnt do anything for me.. good luck guys ill see you later...

I hear ya! Me neither!

thump I had stated that Swerve was a wannabe gangster....if you mistook that then apologies...thats why I reacted so...I too paid my dues but it was for LSD

cool im sorry awell im to old to be fighting those pics are of my youness im played ball yesterday with the kids and i woke up sore as a mother fucken old person man im out of shape i woke up with a stiff neck.. but ya i just grow now and thats all i do.. no hard feeling

gimmenobammerweed said:

the original thin mint is clone only so the seeds you find, while maybe similar, will not be the original girl scout cookie strain. cali connection's gsc is listed as having gdp in it, but jigga, the creatorof gsc, says it's floridah(florida og) x F1 Durban. If I were in your shoes and searching for a good representation of cookies i would definitely go for the forum cut that's been going around. And it's more than hype. The cookies strain is very unique and pungent with a strong kush-like high.

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I have a hell of a time learning all these acronyms for words and strains. Are we really so crunched for time we can't handle a couple extra key strokes? WTF is GDP? IDK, LOL,IMO

RockyMtnMan said:

I have a hell of a time learning all these acronyms for words and strains. Are we really so crunched for time we can't handle a couple extra key strokes? WTF is GDP? IDK, LOL,IMO

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start using google gramps