d.c. beard
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Cool I feel ya, but you got blue paint on the walls around your plants, not white....?
I'm telling ya man, best $20 you ever spent.
I'm telling ya man, best $20 you ever spent.
Boomer's 2400w Sour Grape GrowOp w/ ScrOG & CO2
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BooMeR242
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haha i think sum peeps are still a lil confused. im still at the parents pad until the guy that is renting our new house moves out. the color in the rooms are unknown at this time but once we move in ill just have the workers paint both rooms the correct color white for free (part of the cleaning fee my gfs parents charge renters) and i wont have to buy any mylar or do labor
easy for me and efficient
#1Raiderfan420
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Cute pup man. You will have your hands full for while with the new pup I am sure. I have a rotty that is a little over a year now..he is like our kid. 
120 lbs already..big kid lol
The Fim turned out perfect. Can you explain in detail your technique? I may try that next round. I was a little skittish after your buddy messed up the last ones, but you have re-inspired me.
Oh yeah and I think you will like the 3x3 with a little wider screen for your scrog.. you could spread that canopy out good. You will always want more room though. I am always running out of screen and end up letting them stretch earlier than I would like to, but I would have to put less plants under it to do a true scrog. The bagseed girls I have running now I could probably even have put one or two per 4x4 tray and filled the screen.
120 lbs already..big kid lol The Fim turned out perfect. Can you explain in detail your technique? I may try that next round. I was a little skittish after your buddy messed up the last ones, but you have re-inspired me.
Oh yeah and I think you will like the 3x3 with a little wider screen for your scrog.. you could spread that canopy out good. You will always want more room though. I am always running out of screen and end up letting them stretch earlier than I would like to, but I would have to put less plants under it to do a true scrog. The bagseed girls I have running now I could probably even have put one or two per 4x4 tray and filled the screen.
BooMeR242
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haha ya its nice to come up like that sumtimes.
daMN thats a bigass dog man haha. but ya def have my hands full.Cute pup man. You will have your hands full for while with the new pup I am sure. I have a rotty that is a little over a year now..he is like our kid.
The Fim turned out perfect. Can you explain in detail your technique? I may try that next round. I was a little skittish after your buddy messed up the last ones, but you have re-inspired me.
Oh yeah and I think you will like the 3x3 with a little wider screen for your scrog.. you could spread that canopy out good. You will always want more room though. I am always running out of screen and end up letting them stretch earlier than I would like to, but I would have to put less plants under it to do a true scrog. The bagseed girls I have running now I could probably even have put one or two per 4x4 tray and filled the screen.
gladi could re-inspire u bout the FIM. every method has its advantage and disadvantage. downside to FIM is it shocks the plant but i fed it sum superthrive and helped reduce the shock (in theory)
my buddy and his friend that did that fukd up topping did it all wrong lol. all i did is use clean fingernail clippers and clipped off 3/4 of the new growth developin on the top main shoot. then it grows bak split and symetrical. i think its worth doin even for a scrog setup like u and I.
i just got done discussing sum ideas for my tables and puttin them on wheels and tracks for the tables to slide out away from the wall when needed. and the scrog netting will be attached to the table we build. but do u have ur resovoir underneath ur 3x3 tables? cuz thats alot of weight to consider. plus i have to lay down wood boards for the wheels to roll easier since it wont work well on carpet.
also u did wat 6 plants per 3x3 tray? thats wat i was gonna do. ive been goin over ur thread in more detail as well. u suggestin les plants is better? maybe like 4 plants per tray? i know u can fill out the scrog with less plants even just one but remmeber itll have to veg longer...? i want to do hydro becuz the lessened veg time. plz let me know ur opinion as well as others on here. thanks guys
#1Raiderfan420
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The wheels are a great idea. I am using 4x4 trays though. If I had to do it over I would have doen the 3x3 though to be able to get around my tables easier. I also only use my res for filling with the R/O filter and mixing nutes. My res is about 50 ft away from room and sits about 15 higher than the room so I don't need pumps, I gravity feed my room. I also use a drain to waste set-up.
As for the number of plants, you hit the nail on the head. That is why I use 6 plants and I veg for a minute(6-8 weeks) If I ran one plant per tray i would have to veg for twice that and can't imagine I would get anymore yeild. So igo with 6 per tray. I have heard of poeple that don't veg at all and put 24 plants in 4x4 tray.
jigfresh
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Boomer... I think 6 would be good for 9 sp. ft. You could do 4 too. I see that as maybe a week veg difference.
Lol... I'm still confused as to whether you are doing hydro or soil... but if you are doing hydro... I would think you could fill the screen with 6 in 3 weeks or 4 plants in 4 weeks.
No guess on soil... thats raiderfan. We (me and RF) are like the scrog tag team, soil + hydro.
Are you getting reimbursed for any value your new house has lost in the time the renters wouldn't leave? I know my house looses a couple grand value every couple months. Zillow blows, haha.
Lol... I'm still confused as to whether you are doing hydro or soil... but if you are doing hydro... I would think you could fill the screen with 6 in 3 weeks or 4 plants in 4 weeks.
No guess on soil... thats raiderfan. We (me and RF) are like the scrog tag team, soil + hydro.
Are you getting reimbursed for any value your new house has lost in the time the renters wouldn't leave? I know my house looses a couple grand value every couple months. Zillow blows, haha.
BooMeR242
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very interesting u have ur rez that far away but seems simple enough.
id prob stick with doin 6 plants in the 3x3 tray but make my scrog netting almost 4x4 so i can weave out the canopy further. im lookin to reduce my veg time tho also so idk if id add anymore plants or just lower the scrog netting. one thing i was wondering with ur grow; is it pretty crowded? i mean i know u want it to be full but during flower the plants still stretch sum. so in theory couldnt i veg for like two weeks then flip the switch and start weaving then? cuz theyll still grow another 1-2ft (in theory) just tryin to weigh my options. only experimenting with this strain and system will tell...
hgaha ya so cal does get spoiled with 70degree winters lol. except for the last two weeks weve had storms. the buds are actually developing pretty fast on the old outdoor clones so we will see wat happens.
Boomer... I think 6 would be good for 9 sp. ft. You could do 4 too. I see that as maybe a week veg difference.
Lol... I'm still confused as to whether you are doing hydro or soil... but if you are doing hydro... I would think you could fill the screen with 6 in 3 weeks or 4 plants in 4 weeks.
No guess on soil... thats raiderfan. We (me and RF) are like the scrog tag team, soil + hydro.
Are you getting reimbursed for any value your new house has lost in the time the renters wouldn't leave? I know my house looses a couple grand value every couple months. Zillow blows, haha.
my friend; i as well am still confused on wtf i am doin haha. gotta make a run to the hydro store and sit down for a couple hours with my buddys and see wat we can come up with. im leaning more towards goin hydro now that i have the funds and enough experianced hydro growers for consultation. but who knows. ill be joinin this so called scrog tag team soon haha. when u coming to get these bubble bags? hgaha
and about the renter issue; my gfs parents own the pad and theyre doin sum deal with my gf that we take over the mortgage and its ours in time. but no we dont get kikd down for the time this guy has wasted squating lol. hes fuckin up his credit and thats about it. hes being evicted so should be soon. now im just in a rush to get my list of neccessary shit together.
jigfresh
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In theory AND in reality you would be correct (in my mind at least). You really want to leave quite a bit of screen space before flipping the switch... becuase like you said the are going to stretch... that's when you fill things in. I am still of the opinion underfilled is better than overfilled. But I have yet to run a grow with a flat scrog being underfilled this way, so I may be speaking out my ***.
It's gonna be like the Hart Foundation... you know with Bret 'the hitman' Hart and Jim 'the anvil' neidhart lol... you are probably too young for that one. Maybe someone will know.
Tomorrow bro... I'm gonna be chillin in OC. Actually going to join a Martial Arts gym. Gonna learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Nice deal on the house. The future parents in law sure must like you.
BooMeR242
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haha i recognize the names but was too young to watch live.
jiu jitsu is sick and mui tai. i trained a lil out here in brea but my knees pretty much stopped me from too much training. i just lift and hit the bag now.
and ya gotta be in good with the future parent in laws lol.
about the scrog heighth too jig i was gonna ask; i know uve had sum diff experience vertical and horizontal. wat would u recommend setting up the scrog heighth? like how high from the actual medium (rockwool or soilless)? and also how long should i attempt to veg for?
cuz im thinkin if i take my cuttings and let them root (should take 10-14 days) then veg them to a desired heighth (which is unknown) so im not sure if ure able to help advise me since the strain will b unknown to a point but i know u grew the SG and know how it reacts and is smaller then the CJ u grew.
also if anyone else has opinions how tall or how long to veg for before flipping the switch and doin the scrog. im lookin for speed and less veg time so i can just crop out asap. dont forget im gonna b using c02 @ 1500ppm and should increase growth by up to 25%
jigfresh
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The height off the medium really depends on if you are going to be able to get around the tables. If you are able to get to all sides of the screen I would recommend 8 inches off the medium. Maybe even 6 inches depending on how fat your arms are.
You pretty much want enough room to reach everywhere to pluck budsites and leaves below the canopy... but any more room is just more veg time. If you are only able to get to two sides of the screen 8-10 inches up.Since you/ we don't know exactly what you are going with I cant say exactly... but in my setup I would veg them 3 weeks and a couple days... Maybe let everything get up to/ growing through the screen so the branches have to be pulled/ weaved under once... then flip the switch.
BooMeR242
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The height off the medium really depends on if you are going to be able to get around the tables. If you are able to get to all sides of the screen I would recommend 8 inches off the medium. Maybe even 6 inches depending on how fat your arms are.
Since you/ we don't know exactly what you are going with I cant say exactly... but in my setup I would veg them 3 weeks and a couple days... Maybe let everything get up to/ growing through the screen so the branches have to be pulled/ weaved under once... then flip the switch.
seems like pretty sound advice. im planning on designing the room so i can reach all sides of the table when/if need be. since that seems to be a huge concern coming from u experienced scrog growers. i appreciate the detailed imput jig.
id like to hear from raider also since hes got a similar setup to wat im lookin to do. and of course others opinions as well. but makes sense if im tryin to lower my veg time i can go with a lower scrog heighth to just start widening out the canopy and flower them out
#1Raiderfan420
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You are right Boomer, my room is crowded and I run out of room in my screen and have to let them stretch up, which isn't a true scrog more like a half scrog. lol Anyway, my screen is 14" above my medium too, so if you put your screen lower you could veg much less. When they are screen height, flip the switch. Then you can weave as they stretch and will probably accomplish what you want( a full screen of buds) My thinking is that the more veg and bigger they are before flipping the more yeild per plant is why I run the way I do. Since I have 8 weeks between flowering I use it all to clone and veg to get the biggest plants I can in that time. I am excited to see you do a true horizontal scrog though to see the difference. I mean Jig did a true scrog. He only had buds grow above his screen( or out of since it was verticle) Oh and FYI Jig, I think I am classified as hydro too since I am using coco/perlite. It is just drain to waste instead of ebb/flow or recirc.
jigfresh
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Well... the vert was cheating because I trimmed the HELL out of them. And when I did do a flat scrog I grew it exactly like you... I had a blanket of about 6-8 inches of buds/ mini colas above the screen. The biggest buds on the sides got to be 18" above the screen.
And just goes to show how much I know calling you a soil guy, haha.
#1Raiderfan420
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Well... the vert was cheating because I trimmed the HELL out of them. And when I did do a flat scrog I grew it exactly like you... I had a blanket of about 6-8 inches of buds/ mini colas above the screen. The biggest buds on the sides got to be 18" above the screen.
And just goes to show how much I know calling you a soil guy, haha.
LOL No worries, I have grown vegitable in soil
You know green beans, carrots, etc. lol Just not weed.
BooMeR242
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thanks for filling me in on how things went with ur grow bro. i gotta find a happy medium that works for me. ur very smart to think ahead about ur grow cycle flowering for 8 weeks. thats perfect timing to take clones, root, and veg to the right heighth. but for myself, im doin a perpetual harvest eventually so my cycle will be every month (keep the trimming workload a lil lower haha)
but yes my goal is to fill a row of colas above the screen and kinda do a lollipop method with it. (im mixin up a bunch of diff shit lol) so we will see how it works out.
Well... the vert was cheating because I trimmed the HELL out of them. And when I did do a flat scrog I grew it exactly like you... I had a blanket of about 6-8 inches of buds/ mini colas above the screen. The biggest buds on the sides got to be 18" above the screen.
And just goes to show how much I know calling you a soil guy, haha.
-if u aint cheatin, u aint trying my friend...
haha
Just to try to ballpark something... 9 plants per tray (1 per square foot) you'd prolly want to flip the switch by the time they were 12" tall and touching about shoulder to shoulder after being topped once or twice. 4 plants per tray you might wait until they are like 16" tall and also (again) just starting to touch shoulder to shoulder. I like to see them almost start to touch before flipping the switch. The more plants you run... the faster that is going to happen (less veg. time). But more isn't always better. I ran bigger plants on this last round than i have ever run before (less plants) and have found that the bigger plants seem to really come into their own better - acheiving new levels of smelly-goodness, more colors, bigger buds, etc. It's a balancing act i guess. But i deffinitely don't recommend trying to run more than one plant per square foot. Good luck on the new pad.
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Hey Boomer...does your mother-in law know you're gay??
hehehehe. Looks like we've got similar ideas.. Im currently rooting 59 Jack the Rippers, and 1 OG Kush. I'm going to grow/flower the JTR and mother the OG kush.
I"m bumping up the wattage and making a move...waiting for the lady to GTFO so I can start doing construction.
hehehehe. Looks like we've got similar ideas.. Im currently rooting 59 Jack the Rippers, and 1 OG Kush. I'm going to grow/flower the JTR and mother the OG kush.
I"m bumping up the wattage and making a move...waiting for the lady to GTFO so I can start doing construction.