Boomer's 2400w Sour Grape GrowOp w/ ScrOG & CO2

DaGambler · Feb 22, 2010

if you've got room in the main breaker box for another 100 amp dual pole breaker.... maybe you can just add one. and then run like 6 strands of romex off of it... 3 off each pole... right to some outlets... then plug 1500watt power strips (with trip / surge protection) into each one of those outlets. Total cost would be less than 150 dollars. thats how i got my power jimmy'ed.

(EDIT: hmmm... i think my box was ready to handle 200 amps from the start though, sounds like yours may not be.)
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cazador · Feb 22, 2010

BooMeR242 said:
so spent a couple hours at the new pad today moving a few things in. my pops came by to check shit out and ran into sum issues with power. the breaker box is only 100amp and we really cant sacrifice any of the breakers from other appliances to apply to the grow room. so now my dad has to hit up the city for a permit (since hes a licensed contractor) to upgrade my breaker box to a 200amp breaker and run new 0gauge wire under ground to the general electric lines. its gonna cost a pretty penny if i have to go thru all this shit especially since this city is known for being stingy about permits. im tryin to rush and research sum other alternatives to upgrading the box but i really dont have a choice if i want to be fire safe and smart. gonna see wats up with a generator too since my dad was saying it could b upwards of $1000-2000 just to upgrade the breaker box. im gonna b using two full 10'x10' rooms to grow in and the power demand of 6x600w lamps 1x1000w lamp 1x400w lamp, 4 fans, 1x1075cfm max inline fan, 2xT5 flouro lamps, 1hp chiller (thats 12,000btu power rating) water pumps, timers, c02 generator, and all the other small bullshit i gotta hookup in the hydro rooms. so this is def my first big challenge.

the issue with both room ceilings being vaulted still busts my balls but we decided ill just use chain to mount the lamps on the slanted studs in the ceiling and it should be fine. i already have the adjustable cord shit thats slick to use to adjust ur lamps with but its not long enough to reach the highest part of the 12' vaulted cieling.

but any suggestions to help me solve my power issue plz let me know wat u guys think.

Boomer, there is always a way around things. Let's work this out on the cheap. Will you or someone else be living in the house?
Even if you go ahead and add the 200Amp service and new 0 gauge wire under ground. you will most likely still need to run lines from the new service to the rooms as there probably don't have the capacity as they are for your current plans. So I'm thinking this is where you start. Figure out what you need in each room. Run the extra lines you'll need to the rooms from the B.Box. Now see what you can live without. Do you have an electric stove? If so, then there is probably a 30Amp 240V line you can ride on. (if someone lives there and needs the stove maybe, don't use it for the 12 hours the lights are on.) Is there other rooms you can borrow power from while not in use? There has to be a way! :wall:

Let's all help Boomer get this done!

Hulk Nugs · Feb 22, 2010

Sucks about the power, good thing you checked it all out before just starting to put the room together.

I know someone that had that problem but instead of taking the old box out and upgrading he just put another breaker box next to it. So two boxes

Then when i was talking about building a workshop but did not think i had enough power, on my property he was saying it would not be a problem if i hand additional breaker in the shop. I believe the breaker in the room would trip before the house but still not sure how i was going to get more power by just adding a breaker

One more thing that just came to mind that another grower is having to do since hes going to be moving in a few years and does not want to upgrade this power. He has a set electrical schedule for his house, meaning Grow rooms are on at night when almost every thing in the house is turned off and when rooms are off the appliances can be run, took him awhile but he has figured out what can be used and what can not be used when the rooms are on.

Just a little bump in the road boomer you will get worked out,

bongsmilie

fishindog · Feb 22, 2010

good luck on getting your breaker upgraded....Im excited to see your new setup when all is said and done bongsmilie

sagensour · Feb 22, 2010

Put your new breaker box in the garage if applicable. That means you might not need a permit. Other than that, electrcity is nothing you want to go cheap with. Im a electrician and know this for a fact it will cost around that much for a good pannel and good wire. Hell even one Zinco breaker at the Homer Depot is a bill. Anyways. I wish we all had big money to spend, I'd have solar panels like my neighboor. Can you convert anything to 220v

BooMeR242 · Feb 22, 2010

DaGambler said:
if you've got room in the main breaker box for another 100 amp dual pole breaker.... maybe you can just add one. and then run like 6 strands of romex off of it... 3 off each pole... right to some outlets... then plug 1500watt power strips (with trip / surge protection) into each one of those outlets. Total cost would be less than 150 dollars. thats how i got my power jimmy'ed.
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hmm intersting ill have to check with my dad since hes the electrician and make sure its safe. but im thinkin i like the idea of running lights on at night and try to sacrifce sum household appliances. thing is i need like 50-60 amps total easy so far. issue is theres no more room to add more or larger breakers in the box wed have to add an enitre new 100amp box

but im gonna run with this idea and see wat i can come up with. were checkin on permits today.

cazador said:
Boomer, there is always a way around things. Let's work this out on the cheap. Will you or someone else be living in the house?
Even if you go ahead and add the 200Amp service and new 0 gauge wire under ground. you will most likely still need to run lines from the new service to the rooms as there probably don't have the capacity as they are for your current plans. So I'm thinking this is where you start. Figure out what you need in each room. Run the extra lines you'll need to the rooms from the B.Box. Now see what you can live without. Do you have an electric stove? If so, then there is probably a 30Amp 240V line you can ride on. (if someone lives there and needs the stove maybe, don't use it for the 12 hours the lights are on.) Is there other rooms you can borrow power from while not in use? There has to be a way! Let's all help Boomer get this done!

funny thing is we were bankin on the house being setup for an electric washer dryer and electric stove and just use those breakers. but the washer dryer is gas of course so that option is out, then the stove is gas but the oven is electric lol. go figure right and of course the gf likes to bake so i cant sacrifice the oven buuuut im liking the idea of having a schedule when and when not to use certain rooms/appliances. gona do it on a 240v setup.

Hulk Nugs said:
Sucks about the power, good thing you checked it all out before just starting to put the room together.

I know someone that had that problem but instead of taking the old box out and upgrading he just put another breaker box next to it. So two boxes

Then when i was talking about building a workshop but did not think i had enough power, on my property he was saying it would not be a problem if i hand additional breaker in the shop. I believe the breaker in the room would trip before the house but still not sure how i was going to get more power by just adding a breaker

One more thing that just came to mind that another grower is having to do since hes going to be moving in a few years and does not want to upgrade this power. He has a set electrical schedule for his house, meaning Grow rooms are on at night when almost every thing in the house is turned off and when rooms are off the appliances can be run, took him awhile but he has figured out what can be used and what can not be used when the rooms are on.

Just a little bump in the road boomer you will get worked out,

thaNKS for the info brotha. if we do upgrade itll just be an additional breaker box we install. but im liking the light schedule idea of just having the lights on at nite. should help keep temps down as well.

fishindog said:
good luck on getting your breaker upgraded....Im excited to see your new setup when all is said and done

thanks man glad ure still along for the ride

sagensour said:
Put your new breaker box in the garage if applicable. That means you might not need a permit. Other than that, electrcity is nothing you want to go cheap with. Im a electrician and know this for a fact it will cost around that much for a good pannel and good wire. Hell even one Zinco breaker at the Homer Depot is a bill. Anyways. I wish we all had big money to spend, I'd have solar panels like my neighboor. Can you convert anything to 220v

hmm jw how does this bypass needing a permit? since its inside and hidden or wat? its gonna b tricky since we have to have edision shut off all power to the house to access the underground vault and run new wiring to it from the new breaker so i gotta figure out how to get around all this shit too. but im confident we will get it handled this week. just mite have to bite the bullet with the price but fire safety is worth $2000+ so we will see but let me know more if u got other ideas

thanks again for all the input guys ill keep u posted as we work

d.c. beard · Feb 22, 2010

Here's an option...build a greenhouse and forget about it! lol

cazador · Feb 23, 2010

Boomer - 100Amp is still a lot of power. I'm feeling comfortable that you can get away without adding the Additional 100Amps. You can add another breaker box (sub-panel) without adding more amperage to the house. I've done it. It's working out great. If your father or someone you know has electrical knowledge I'd get them involved to help guide you. Making sure you balance your electric loads correctly. If you have the funds to add the additional power then forget what I said and go ahead that would obviously be the best solution and add value to your property. Not sure having 50 amps in the bedroom will add too much unless selling to a grower, Humm there is an idea converting homes to grow sites and reselling. oops I digress. Anyway I hate to see your plans get slightly derailed for the time being but know you'll get through it. Start running the lines to the rooms that will need more power in the mean time as you will most likely need more power in there. one more thing that is obvious to some but just wanted to add. Run your lights on 220V. I tested my ballasts running on 110v and then on 220v as I suspected they run cooler (less amps). Which means to me that they are running more efficiently (less heat, less electric loss) and less heat means they should last longer too.

BooMeR242 · Feb 23, 2010

d.c. beard said:
Here's an option...build a greenhouse and forget about it! lol

haha ya ill just rip the roof off the house and throw sum plastic covering over it and call it a day

cazador said:
Boomer - 100Amp is still a lot of power. I'm feeling comfortable that you can get away without adding the Additional 100Amps. You can add another breaker box (sub-panel) without adding more amperage to the house. I've done it. It's working out great. If your father or someone you know has electrical knowledge I'd get them involved to help guide you. Making sure you balance your electric loads correctly. If you have the funds to add the additional power then forget what I said and go ahead that would obviously be the best solution and add value to your property. Not sure having 50 amps in the bedroom will add too much unless selling to a grower, Humm there is an idea converting homes to grow sites and reselling. oops I digress. Anyway I hate to see your plans get slightly derailed for the time being but know you'll get through it. Start running the lines to the rooms that will need more power in the mean time as you will most likely need more power in there. one more thing that is obvious to some but just wanted to add. Run your lights on 220V. I tested my ballasts running on 110v and then on 220v as I suspected they run cooler (less amps). Which means to me that they are running more efficiently (less heat, less electric loss) and less heat means they should last longer too.

ya weve been workin everyday making calls and researching shit. so far were lookin pretty good.

i decided not to go with a chiller system and iceboxes. apparently its more money then the results produce to evenmake it worth it. along with the extra power draw and extra workload to setup the pvc piping to run the ice boxes.

but besides that now for power we are lookin at exactly that; a subpanel in the garage and were gonna sneak in a 50amp breaker in place of an old 30amp breaker. also we found a way to add 25 amps wihtout edison possibly knowing or at least needing permits. so i think we mite have it dialed. next plan is to actually start running the power. thanks guys

DaGambler · Feb 23, 2010

Necessity is the Mother of Invention. :leaf:

With air cooled hoods ... a single room exhaust drawing passive airflow from air ducted from below the house or outside could keep the rooms cool enough ... without even using A.C.
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Drella · Feb 23, 2010

sounds lie ur getting it dialed, i knew you'd figure it out. there's so much help on here, im sure you'd figure out the cooling issue too! running the wires a bitch. i was in my attic for an hour last night, adding wire for a new bloom room! but good to be done!

cazador · Feb 24, 2010

BooMeR242 said:
but besides that now for power we are lookin at exactly that; a subpanel in the garage and were gonna sneak in a 50amp breaker in place of an old 30amp breaker. also we found a way to add 25 amps wihtout edison possibly knowing or at least needing permits. so i think we mite have it dialed. next plan is to actually start running the power. thanks guys

I'm sure your on top of it but had to say anyway, DON'T replace the 30A with a 50A breaker unless the line is rated for the 50Amps :!:

Bob Smith · Feb 24, 2010

bterz said:
The only way that would be sufficient is if you didn't care about plant count.

Realistically, 2lb's in a 2x2 area isn't realistic at all. Expert growers who have been doing this for years are barely hitting the GPW (gram per watt) mark under 1000w bulbs in a 4x4 area...

In my opinion, if plant count is not an issue, Sea of Green is best, like you mentioned, stuffing 4-6 per sq foot in 5" containers.

Lets use our imagination

If you ran 5 inch containers, filled with whatever medium, you could stuff 81 plants under a 1000w bulb in a 4x4 table, with room to spare. With little to no veg time, you could make the flip, and hope for an average of 14 grams per plant, using the lollipop method. Thats a 14 gram cola/nug when dried/cured...thats pretty big, but realistic.

14 grams x 81 plants = 1134 grams.. about 10% over 1GPW, which is a remarkable goal...and this allows you to utilize all the space with perfectly spaced nuggage...right??

kinda.

While an evenly spread canopy is KEY to reaching 1GPW, along with a ton of other variables, using a high number of small plants is a waste of height.

I believe, using 1 plant per sq foot, trained/topped/fimmed/supercropped (WHATEVER you have to do to get all the branches at a level height filling in the canopy) is best because it allows for a taller plant where the brightness of a big 1000w bulb can penetrate the lower buds.

Im rambling and high as shit... there are many ways to get the best use out of your light / efficiency..its just a matter of finding what works best for you...this comes with practice and learning your strain...some strains like to be vegged out and produce monster buds whereas some create the perfect lollipopped SoG.

/end

/bong hit

edit: 4 per sq foot vegged to 9 inches and you would run out of room. Each plant only has 25sq inches to grow into. (5 inches x 5 inches) .. I get fan leaves that are bigger then that

81 plants in a 4x4 tray? Man, you must be growing some monsters :lol:

I'm gonna be doing 144 in my 4x4 tray soon - 4" pots, hydroton.

Shooting for 7 grams per plant.

Fuck plant counts.

Also gonna have another 144 in my 2x4 tent (it's a double decker, with 2 2x4 trays).

Just took 294 clones this morning.

Again, fuck plant counts.

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d.c. beard · Feb 24, 2010

Bob Smith said:
81 plants in a 4x4 tray? Man, you must be growing some monsters

I'm gonna be doing 144 in my 4x4 tray soon - 4" pots, hydroton.

Shooting for 7 grams per plant.

Fuck plant counts.

Also gonna have another 144 in my 2x4 tent (it's a double decker, with 2 2x4 trays).

Just took 294 clones this morning.

Again, fuck plant counts.

Lol yeah fuck em! What's the strain though? Your cuts look good.

#1Raiderfan420 · Feb 24, 2010

Damn Bro, sorry to hear about you new obstacle. I know you will work it out though. I can't beleive it would cost that much to change your breaker. Why not just run a sepreate 100 amp of the main breaker? I would stop by this thread https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/240481-bored-electrician-answer-your-questions.html and post your situation. IAMstoned has helped me out a few times with my electical dilemas. Good luck man, but for sure hit up that link.

BooMeR242 · Feb 24, 2010

Drella said:
sounds lie ur getting it dialed, i knew you'd figure it out. there's so much help on here, im sure you'd figure out the cooling issue too! running the wires a bitch. i was in my attic for an hour last night, adding wire for a new bloom room! but good to be done!

ya its takin time but ill get it done. ill be lookin forward to see the new room

cazador said:
I'm sure your on top of it but had to say anyway, DON'T replace the 30A with a 50A breaker unless the line is rated for the 50Amps

well that makes sense so idk if i was faded when i wrote that or heard it lol
watever we had planned is supposed to work so we will see

Bob Smith said:
81 plants in a 4x4 tray? Man, you must be growing some monsters

I'm gonna be doing 144 in my 4x4 tray soon - 4" pots, hydroton.

Shooting for 7 grams per plant.

Fuck plant counts.

Also gonna have another 144 in my 2x4 tent (it's a double decker, with 2 2x4 trays).

Just took 294 clones this morning.

Again, fuck plant counts.

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for this grow ill b doin 18 plants in each 4'x8' table for a total of 36 plants in flower.

#1Raiderfan420 said:
Damn Bro, sorry to hear about you new obstacle. I know you will work it out though. I can't beleive it would cost that much to change your breaker. Why not just run a sepreate 100 amp of the main breaker? I would stop by this thread https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/240481-bored-electrician-answer-your-questions.html and post your situation. IAMstoned has helped me out a few times with my electical dilemas. Good luck man, but for sure hit up that link.

ive talked to him last year and he helped me out as well. im sure we will get it figured out thanks for the support brotha

Drella · Feb 24, 2010

first harvest tonight with teaser photo shoot. all the other shots were too sluty! im trying to come off classy, but sluty. friday, the rest of harvest, i will post the real photo shoot!

d.c. beard · Feb 24, 2010

Drella said:
first harvest tonight with teaser photo shoot. all the other shots were too sluty! im trying to come off classy, but sluty. friday, the rest of harvest, i will post the real photo shoot!

Haha 'classy, but slutty'. The perfect woman.

Drella · Mar 2, 2010

hope everythings going chill for you bro, looking forward to the new setup!

BooMeR242 · Mar 5, 2010

fuuuuuuuuuuck finally i get the god damn internet working lol. been over a week since we actually got the keys to the new place and moving shit in but the tech took forever to get out here to hook up the direct tv and dsl shit. so i couldnt start building the rooms until this weekend cuz they were running wires and shit.
anyways im still around guys just gettin shit finalized. ill do a more legit update tomorrow when i have a chance. we got a new pool table so im havin a buddy or two over for bud and brews to break in the new table haha. peace

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