Colanoscopy
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Found some 1000mg branch chain amino acids for like 8 quid. All l-acids too no D so I guess that's the way to go. 22quid down on AN big bud at my local hydro anyway
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You gonna just dissolve them and water and feed with them? I may give it a go too
Colanoscopy
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That was my plan. Add them to my water before the AN ph perfect and see what happens. Need to figure out exactly how much would be necessary per feed though
Colanoscopy
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Been reading a few bits. This is probably the best info I have found so far....... Effect Of Amino Acids On Plants Agriculture production is a very intensive business and is related to better quality and better yield leading to better profitability. Every Farmers dreams to achieve this goal. However to achieve this goal with advancement of technology, use of fertilizer and pesticides is not adequate. Now is the time to look at Bioenergetics and Biochemical aspects of plants, to achieve the goals of Farmerss. Every plant like any organism needs certain components for growth over and above soil, sun, rain and air. The basic component of living cells is Proteins, with building block material, Amino Acids. Proteins are formed by sequence of Amino Acids. Plants synthesize Amino Acids from the Primary elements, the Carbon and Oxygen obtained from air, Hydrogen from water in the soil, forming Carbon Hydrate by means of photosynthesis and combining it with the Nitrogen which the plants obtain from the soil, leading to synthesis of amino acids, by collateral metabolic pathways. Only L-Amino Acids are part of these Proteins and have metabolic activity. The requirement of amino acids in essential quantities is well known as a means to increase yield and overall quality of crops. The application of amino acids for foliar use is based on its requirement by plants in general and at critical stages of growth in particular. Plants absorb Amino Acids through Stomas and is proportionate to environment temperature. Amino Acids are fundamental ingredients in the process of Protein Synthesis. About 20 important Amino Acids are involved in the process of each function. Studies have proved that Amino Acids can directly or indirectly influence the physiological activities of the plant. Amino Acids are also supplied to plant by incorporating them into the soil. It helps in improving the microflora of the soil thereby facilitating the assimilation of nutrients. Foliar Nutrition in the form of Protein Hydrolysate (Known as Amino Acids Liquid) and foliar spray provide readymade building blocks for Protein synthesis.
Protein Synthesis Proteins have a structural function, metabolic function (enzymes), a transport function and a stock of Amino Acids function. Only L - Amino Acids are assimilated by plants. D - Amino Acids are not recognised by the enzymatic locus and therefore can not participate in protein synthesis.
Hence Amino Acids obtained by organic synthesis are not well assimilated. Stress Resistance
Stress such as High temperature, Low humidity, Frost, Pest attack, Hailstorm, Floods have a negative effect on plant metabolism with a corresponding reduction in crop quality and quantity.
The application of Amino Acids before, during and after the stress conditions supplies the plants with Amino Acids which are directly related to stress physiology and thus has a preventing and recovering effect. Effect of Photosynthesis
Plants synthesize carbohydrates by photosynthesis, Low photosynthesis rate implies a slow growth leading to death of the plant, chlorophyll is the responsible molecule for the absorption of the light energy.
Glycine and Glutamic Acid are fundamental metabolites in the process of formation of vegetable tissue and chlorophyll synthesis.
These Amino Acids help to increase chlorophyll concentration in the plant leading to higher degree of photosynthesis. This makes crops lush Green.
OldMedUser
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I know of a few people that have gone with the full line and end up with a real clusterfuck. A lot of the different supplements have overlapping ingredients so you end up with overdoses and lockouts and sick plants.
It's not too late to give them a dose of BB and maybe the Bud Factor X but the window is closing fast for that. The instructions say to feed BB up to week 5 based on a plant that is finished flowering in 8 weeks. When I know the strain takes longer I give reduced doses of BB for as many weeks more than the 8 weeks. For example I'll give it up to the end of week 7 for a plant I know takes 10 weeks to finish and so on.
I just looked up the bud factor and it's applied thru week 6 so the window is still open for that too.
Judging by the way your plant looks in that pic I'd give one or both a try. When I got the Bud Ignitor I just bought a 250ml bottle to try it out and that was $34CAN. A full liter was almost $100 and I'm glad I never bought that as I won't be buying more of it.
See if you can get small bottles of each and leave one plant without any so you can better tell if it the stuff worked for you. It's not really a good way to experiment this late in the game but if they are any help you should be able to tell if they made a difference. Just don't go dumping in tons to play catch up as plants don't play that way. If they are doing any good you should start to see more white hairs popping out and the buds swelling up more and getting frostier too. It may not be apparent for a couple of weeks but you should know one way or the other at the harvest.
Good luck!
OldMedUser
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Forgot to mention that the BB has 20 amino acids in it and I think the BFX does as well. Maybe a foliar spray would get it working faster but I don't like to spray anything if I can avoid it and especially once buds have formed.
Stealthstyle
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Canna Boost promises on the ads to make plants grow faster and finish faster but the only thing i noticed was the smell and flavour are like MSG: ie flavour enhancer. Pretty expensive stuff so i changed to GH flora nectar. Will see what happens, i doubt its the same but will see.
Colanoscopy
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There are 20 amino acids altogether mate. But your plant only utilises 4 or 5 of them. The others play no part. L-cystine, L-tryptophan, L-glycine, L-hystidine and I can't remember the other one. Work together to form something called L-glutathione which is what actually helps the plant withstand more stresses or recover faster. It's used quite a lot in stem cell research too as it does some crazy shit and can repair dodgy dna cells. Moral of the story. Go to Holland and Barrett and get some branch chain amino acids as long as they are L and not D you have bought powder form big bud for minimal cash
OldMedUser
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No such store here but I gather it's a health food store?
I'm forever going to use Big Bud so I doubt I'll ever buy aminos separately for my plants but I might just get some for myself. I take quite a few supplements for my own health and were I not so poor I'd take a lot more.
Zinc, Saw Palmetto and pumpkin seeds for the old prostate. No getting up 3 times a night to pee anymore and my PSA and testosterone levels are like a 20 year old. (I'm 62)
Would take me too long to list everything and not the right thread for it. Not to mention I got plants that need killing.
Colanoscopy
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I reckon they would do you some good to be honest mate. And I'm glad to hear at the grand age of 62 you're still going strong. More power to you fella. I can honestly tell you my girls have a better diet than I do haha. And Holland and Barrett is a health food store haNo such store here but I gather it's a health food store?
I'm forever going to use Big Bud so I doubt I'll ever buy aminos separately for my plants but I might just get some for myself. I take quite a few supplements for my own health and were I not so poor I'd take a lot more.
Zinc, Saw Palmetto and pumpkin seeds for the old prostate. No getting up 3 times a night to pee anymore and my PSA and testosterone levels are like a 20 year old. (I'm 62)
Would take me too long to list everything and not the right thread for it. Not to mention I got plants that need killing.
OldMedUser
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Good stuff! I don't know about the Bud Candy as carbs are more for feeding the good bacteria and fungi in soil grows than feeding the plants. It does help the plants tho because if the micro-herd is healthy they can make more food from organic materials for your plants to eat. I use the unsulfered blackstrap molasses to do that. No idea if it helps or not.
Hopefully you will see a noticeable improvement soon.
Im pretty sure floranova has molasses in and im feeding hydroguard along with there being mykos and azos from xtreme so plenty of microbes.Good stuff! I don't know about the Bud Candy as carbs are more for feeding the good bacteria and fungi in soil grows than feeding the plants. It does help the plants tho because if the micro-herd is healthy they can make more food from organic materials for your plants to eat. I use the unsulfered blackstrap molasses to do that. No idea if it helps or not.
Hopefully you will see a noticeable improvement soon.
I hope so too!
Colanoscopy
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Unsulfured blackstrap molasses does do that mate. Does contain sulfur still btw. And iron and also acts a chelating agent if you have any salinity build up it helps. The carbs do feed the micros too but all in all molasses is a quality addition to your nute regimeGood stuff! I don't know about the Bud Candy as carbs are more for feeding the good bacteria and fungi in soil grows than feeding the plants. It does help the plants tho because if the micro-herd is healthy they can make more food from organic materials for your plants to eat. I use the unsulfered blackstrap molasses to do that. No idea if it helps or not.
Hopefully you will see a noticeable improvement soon.
Colanoscopy
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Are you a UK grower JD? Just with you saying your trips to Holland and Barrett have been expensive
Colanoscopy
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Let me know how you get on with them! Figured out dosage yet?
Colanoscopy
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I'm making up a 1 tablet to 1 litre foliar for lights out today. Head over to my thread and drop a comment then you will get notifications when I post. Big bud says start week 2 which I'm presuming is day 8. I'm on 7 today after flip so a day early but it be sweet
Flowki
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Genuinely do yourself a huge favor and forget about major company's. Get a grasp on the key elements and then start using salt/powder forms. They are in most cases 1/5th of the price to use and you remove all the bs snake oil variables that basically run the gauntlet of compatibility lock outs or toxic root zones. It's really not a case of you get what you pay for in this market. The key elements are the key elements and they grow big buds regardless of the price, so why pay more for market hype. Just by simplifying the feed you use down to the core elements will give you a yield increase because you will be able to closer feed the varying elements max ppm at different times for what is required to increase weight (environment aside).
Aside from the essential elements look into microbial products. A lot of them come mixed up with kelp etc and that covers most else of what's in the over priced products. The microbes also act as a booster, but a much safer one as long as you don't exceed around 70ppm P. They go dormant at 80 (by all I've read) so lowering to 70 seems like a good cautionary choice. Mono potassium (mpk) Is a great booster as it has high K but lower P. In use with microbes I don't think you'd need to go past 0.10g per liter (depending on base). 1kg of this stuff will set you back like $10 but will last years.
Not exactly what you asked for but boosters and additives are a last priority to change imo. The control over core elements and simplicity is more important to get right. By simplicity I mean reducing the chance of reactions or lock outs by using to many products.
Aside from the essential elements look into microbial products. A lot of them come mixed up with kelp etc and that covers most else of what's in the over priced products. The microbes also act as a booster, but a much safer one as long as you don't exceed around 70ppm P. They go dormant at 80 (by all I've read) so lowering to 70 seems like a good cautionary choice. Mono potassium (mpk) Is a great booster as it has high K but lower P. In use with microbes I don't think you'd need to go past 0.10g per liter (depending on base). 1kg of this stuff will set you back like $10 but will last years.
Not exactly what you asked for but boosters and additives are a last priority to change imo. The control over core elements and simplicity is more important to get right. By simplicity I mean reducing the chance of reactions or lock outs by using to many products.
Colanoscopy
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The first line is all I had to read to agree. The more Im understanding. The more I realise quite how much nute companies are mugging us. Although I do use AN base nutes