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greenghost420

greenghost420

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MonsterDrank said:
Yep. Good LED tech is not cheap.

After tons, and tons of research and debating.. I just bought one of these. <--LINK
It cost about a grand. You can choose your color temperatue. .I chose 4000k spectrum. It was the most powerful one this company makes and I always try to shoot high. lol.. Don't regret it one bit.

I almost went out and did something stupid and bought a KIND or Blackdog LED light for nearly twice the price... that would have been really dumb. These new ones using Vero 29 COB chips are amazing and outperform them. Not to mention they are easier/cheaper to service and maintain ($28 replacement cost of each chip..on mine there are 4 chips). There are a lot of DIY projects that people are starting now using the same chips.. and I might get there someday soon.. but adding to cart and clicking "Buy Now" was a lot easier and well worth it to me. I wanna get a couple more of these. The WOW factor after plugging it in was something else. It was clearly brighter and more intense than my 1000 watt HID lamp. I was blown away with excitement the minute I turned it on. Nothing could have prepared me for that moment.

They let you choose either 3000k, 3500k, 4000k, or 5000k. I actually found out about this company from some of the light geeks in the LED thread here on RIU. Studying their tests vs tests on other forums and all the data that I pooled together.. I was led to one conclusion. The Optic Lighting Vero 29 LED Grow Light was showing itself to be the best LED light on the market bang for the buck in nearly every category. For me spending a grand isn't that big of a deal.. there are certainly cheaper alternatives out there.. but if you want high quality and something that will last for years. this product makes total sense.

I just hung it a couple days ago actually.. right smack dab next to my hood that houses a 1000 watt Ushio HPS lamp. I have a lot of light for my tent. The combined spectum from this particular LED and an HPS lamp running concurrently should come close to being able to mimic the kind of performance I would have received from running MH and HPS side by side, which is what I used to do. That really creates helps the plant to create a full cannabinoid profile. Really gets the resin flowing. =)
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have u used led before?
 
MonsterDrank

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greenghost420 said:
have u used led before?
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No. This is my first time using LED. If someone would have asked me about going LED or using LED a couple of months ago.. I would have laughed at them.

What most people don't realize though about the LED that I am using is that it isn't the same type of traditional LED you see on most fixtures.. it's a Vero 29 COB chip.. so the fixture I am using simply has QTY. 4 of these chips...

This is a single VERO 29 COB LED Chip


VS.. Your typical LED multicolored larger diode by diode type panel design



The VERO 29 COB Chips are user replaceable with a phillips head screwdriver. $28 each to replace.

They produce a really strong.. white light.. that covers the spectrum that you choose..



I went with 4000k

My friend came over and first thing he said... "Why is it white? I thought LED was pink, blue, and purple?" I said to him.. 'this aint your grandma's LED.. this is the future!" LOL

The actual spectrum readings with Par meters and charts, comparission testing, one light Vs another, and canopy penetration tests, and all kinds of tests and info I read.. brought me to this light in particular. I could have bought anything. Price was no object.. I wanted the best light for my application.. and this is what I ended up with.

The company itself.. "Optic Lighting" was just recently sold.. and I believe they will be undergoing some huge changes the next few weeks.. I think this company is going to do really well based on the fact that they are using all top quality parts and Vero 29 chips.. they're a little ahead of the industry. There's only a couple other companies getting into it.. and Optic got here first.
 
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MonsterDrank

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D_Urbmon said:
One of my biggest growing regrets is listening to my idiot friend 2 years ago telling me led was useless and not effective for growing cannabis.


Wish I had money to switch to all LED. hid is the way of the past.
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Well it sure isn't cheap.. to do a complete switch if you went with the Optic Vero 29 in a 500 Watt multi-fixture design, it's gonna run you close to $900 a piece for each fixture.. I paid a little less but I had to do some arm twisting.

If you are a DIY guy.. you can save yourself likely a couple hundred bucks I'd imagine using the same parts. I did inspect the unit I own and just like the manufacturer claims.. everything they are using... every part is high quality. They are really built well. The unit itself has a cover with a latch that is easy to open and you can inspect and see every piece, every part.. no secrets there.

A decent ballast, something real nice like a Hydrofarm Phantom 1000Watt 240v/120v HPS ballast.. a good air cooled reflector.. and a premium HPS bulb like a Ushio or a Hortilux all together is going to run someone about $450-$500.. so the Optic LED isn't twice as expensive.. but it's close.. you gotta figure though too.. You're replacing that HPS lamp once a year.. so over 5 years the LED will pay for itself in bulb replacement costs and electric savings. You're running a true 500 watts on a 120v circuit at only 2.9amps pulling from your panel!! A 1000 watt digital ballast running HPS pulls 8.9amps at 120v for comparison. Now these numbers aren't 100% typical of all LED power savings.. the Vero 29 COB chips have proven to be more efficient than any other type of LED chipset for grow light use on the market.

I expect the COB chips to last about 2 years the way I will use them.. so while they will get replaced.. It will take twice as long and likely cost about the same as the price of the LED chips will only go down, not up.

But if you have something like a KIND led light and you're say a few years onto ownership and a cluster of LEDs go bad.. then what do you do? You cry. I called the KIND company and asked them... whats your bumper to bumber full warranty on your product? how long are you guaranteeing me that this thing will work without any cost to me if there's a problem... the answer... 90 days. This was in regards to a light that cost almost $2k btw.
Didn't seem like a very KIND reply. Those types of products.. those kind of LED lights.. scare me. I couldn't buy something like that.

Also wanna note as I have said it already I think but.. anyone trying to scope out the manuacturer is going to have a hard time doing so today and possibly this next week.. they were bought out, snatched up by a larger company.. so they did say before they had to switch servers and were having some email/tech related switch over transitional type issues. So if you can't access the site or server.. that is why. That should be resolved shortly according to the rep I spoke to just recently regarding my order.. I ordered mine just as the switch over between companies started to happen. It's always a pain in the ass for the customer when stuff like this happens anywhere I think.. but should all be back to normal soon. This is the light here at a working link that I bought, that I was referring to.


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Sorry for thread hijacking greenghost420. =)
I tend to ramble on about things I like sometimes. Great thread tho.. I was reading through it all last night. I like what you're doing here.
 
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MonsterDrank

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greenghost420 said:
i give no shits about jackin, feel free! that amazon link was busted but im about to google that vero 500 real qwik
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yea I just realized that..they are transitioning to a new owner.. which is why you are getting re-directed now to amazon.

Here is the link for the light specs... http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Optic-Vero-500W-LED-Grow-Light_50016581298.html

I've had other LED people tell me.. "No don't get the 500W.. get multiple 200W."

and I'm just like.. "Bitch please.. I'll get multiple 500W." LOL
 
Bob Zmuda

Bob Zmuda

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MonsterDrank said:
yea I just realized that..they are transitioning to a new owner.. which is why you are getting re-directed now to amazon.

Here is the link for the light specs... http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Optic-Vero-500W-LED-Grow-Light_50016581298.html

I've had other LED people tell me.. "No don't get the 500W.. get multiple 200W."

and I'm just like.. "Bitch please.. I'll get multiple 500W." LOL
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Man I'd love to pick your brain. What would be the equivalent coverage of that light versus HID? Think that covers a 400 watt HID?
 
MonsterDrank

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It really didn't look too complicated.. I am going to sit down one day with all the parts gathered.. at my kitchen table.. with the wiring diagrams I have and read the DIY thread over and over until it sinks in.. and just build one.

That's cool.. you have the Ghost Cut?

I was just gifted these the other day.. not a cut but I'll take it..


Heres a photo from the test grow of the same strain..


You can ignore the Batman thing.. my old handle on here used to have the name Batman in it. Kinda an inside joke thing. lol
 
MonsterDrank

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Bob Zmuda said:
Man I'd love to pick your brain. What would be the equivalent coverage of that light versus HID? Think that covers a 400 watt HID?
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The 500 watt the manufacturer says replaces a 1000 watt HID.. I can't say for certain wether I believe it will or not.
It is definitely better than a 600 watt...and the WOW factor from the brightness of the thing nearly knocked me on my ass. I've had a couple guys who have never seen one in person tell me that there's no way it would be a true 1000 watt replacement.

But after seeing it in person and hanging it.. I believe it may. It is definitely very intense. The test threads all showed the lower powered models.. 120w, 200w, 400w... but no 500w. So I couldn't see how the biggest, best one they made stacked up VS the competition. I could only see the lower powered ones by Optic Lighting kick the KIND LED and the California Lightworks LED models asses.

So in short if you're asking me if the 500 watt Optic Vero 29 LED outperforms a 400 Watt HID??? I think thats what you were asking? Yes.. Absolutely. it looks like ( I don't and can't say for certain until I finish this round) it stands up to par with my 1000 watt HID, and may be better.

My goal was not to replace HID tho.. My goal was to add to it. I wanted them run side by side. I want to create what Clarke called in the Marijuana Botany Book.. "a fully realized cannabinoid profile." Alltho he spoke of outdoor plants , indoors with using different lights and providing a full spectrum similar to running HPS and MH together side by side.. we can create an environment that is close to performing as if they are outdoors in the sun.
 
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greenghost420

greenghost420

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MonsterDrank said:
It really didn't look too complicated.. I am going to sit down one day with all the parts gathered.. at my kitchen table.. with the wiring diagrams I have and read the DIY thread over and over until it sinks in.. and just build one.

That's cool.. you have the Ghost Cut?

I was just gifted these the other day.. not a cut but I'll take it..


Heres a photo from the test grow of the same strain..


You can ignore the Batman thing.. my old handle on here used to have the name Batman in it. Kinda an inside joke thing. lol
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nice nug! iv been told this is the ghost cut, so far so good lol
 
MonsterDrank

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Check out the threads made by SupraSPL on here. He has posted a wealth of information regarding this kind of technology.

If it wasn't for him and his knowledge and know how.. I probably wouldn't have bought this light. He was the guy that really nailed it with the tests and the perfect posts showing great detail and his knowledge of lighting.. electricity.. efficiency.. he's a really smart guy.
 
MonsterDrank

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I was too at first.. you gotta almost re-read some of it. The terminology won't sink in if you don't understand it.. so I had to constantly go back and forth and google things.. which in itself is distracting. But it's how we learn.

At first I see threads with titles callled -
Optic Lighting Vero COBs updated
https://www.rollitup.org/t/optic-lighting-vero-cobs-updated.860452/

at first glance i didn't want to read that.. ends up it was one of the best threads in the whole LED section... lol
 
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