Botrytis

dabhe4d

Well-Known Member
Have 3 candy cane autos going right now...
So my first grow one of my plants rotted up so i know the smell very well.. today i gave all my plants a sniff and one of them has that slight sour smell like the plant i had my last grow... every bud has the smell but i cant see any sign of rot anywhere pulling the buds apart.. I have a feeling its just beginning.

Humidity hasn't been ideal until last week when i finally got my dehumidifier.
The humidity right now is at 40 and temps at 28... If this is botrytis.. is there any way i can defeat it?
I understand that bud rot only forms when my temps are low... since im running autos, would it stress the plants out to switch the light cycle from 18-6 to 24-0 to keep higher temps?
Is there a magic potion?lol

THanks!
 

ISK

Well-Known Member
Have 3 candy cane autos going right now...
So my first grow one of my plants rotted up so i know the smell very well.. today i gave all my plants a sniff and one of them has that slight sour smell like the plant i had my last grow... every bud has the smell but i cant see any sign of rot anywhere pulling the buds apart.. I have a feeling its just beginning.

Humidity hasn't been ideal until last week when i finally got my dehumidifier.
The humidity right now is at 40 and temps at 28... If this is botrytis.. is there any way i can defeat it?
I understand that bud rot only forms when my temps are low... since im running autos, would it stress the plants out to switch the light cycle from 18-6 to 24-0 to keep higher temps?
Is there a magic potion?lol

THanks!
humidity at 40% is okay, no worries....temps at 28 (and I assuming is Celsius) = 84F....that's too warm, you don't want to increase those temps

but no problem switching an auto from 18/6 to 24/0
 

Nullis

Moderator
General rule is the larger/more dense your buds are, the higher your risk for mold: the lower you want your humidity. Smaller nugs aren't nearly as susceptible as mold. For example, colas that are lets say somewhere on the scale between Bic lighter to highlighter sized, perhaps a tad larger, are not so susceptible to mold. At least, not with fairly vigorous plants blooming where the humidity doesn't exceed 65%.

When buds are much larger than a typical yellow highlighting marker, or wider than the rim of a shot glass, or approaching paper-towel tube/core or, especially, water bottle sized proportions... then it becomes a real concern, even at 40% RH.

Many strains naturally have a sweet, slightly sour smell to the fresh buds. Bud rot would make them smell more rancid and musky. It would typically start in the main cola, at the deepest and densest spot, or the mid-section where the other colas branch off (but tend to clump together when mature).

You often can't even tell that a plant/cola has become infected with botrytis on the inside just by casually looking the colas over: until it is too late. Otherwise the buds tend to look just fine on the outside (mostly). But, if you were to open them up, or pull some of the clustered colas aside, you might see the white-gray fuzz in there.

Prior to this point, there are a couple other signs to watch out for: one is yellowing/crispy leaves- particularly the secondary leaves (not the large fan leaves, the smaller leaves). If you see that secondary leaves growing out from the mid-section, or upper parts of the cola, have unnaturally shriveled up (while fan and other lower leaves look okay) that can be an indication of botrytis.

The 'petiole' is the little stem that attaches a leaf to a branch, or the rest of the plant. If you have shriveled leaves like I just described, pluck them off and examine the base of the leaf's petiole. You may need tweezers to help pluck a petiole clean away from a cola/the inside of a bud. If there is a problem like mold, chances are you'll see it on the petiole. You may see fuzz on the base of the petiole, or notice it is brown, mushy, discolored (white) or just doesn't seem right.

Another sign is discoloration on the inside of the bud, or at the central cluster of colas. I notice this more on larger/denser colas and I consider it to be indicator that mold is on the way. The base of the inside of the cola tends to be more yellow-green or even white in some places. Pretty sure this is caused by the lack of light and restricted air flow in the deep recesses of larger buds: which leads to mold.

I think humidity and air flow are much more significant factors for botrytis than temperature. Molds can grow in both cool and warm weather. My feeling would be that most molds probably grow faster with warmer temperatures anyways. What you'd really want to do, other than keeping RH below 45%, is make sure you also have constant airflow/ventilation. Make sure you have an oscillating fan on, especially during dark hours, and/or keep your exhaust on low during dark hours.

This is especially important if you have a tent, or a sealed room. There should be constant airflow. Also make sure you refrain from spraying anything at all on the plants as they are finishing, and only water them when necessary shortly before or after lights on.
 

Nullis

Moderator
Circulation is good, you don't want to make it a wind tunnel in there though. You want a steady light breeze, which makes oscillating fans ideal. Anything too direct/powerful can be potentially damaging (leaves can get wind burn).
 

Jimmy Sparkle

Well-Known Member
So, Botrytis is a fungus with fungal spores most often brought on by warm/damp conditions right? O.k so if we were to use fungicide as a pre treatment in a Botrytis prone grow area all the way to the day of harvest it would prevent this fungus from prolificating and form fruiting bodies (that grey yuck) that shows up on our buds right? The reason I ask is because I was doing some research on fungicides and I found a product that they use all the way up to harvest in vinticulture and on other edible crops called AQ-10. It is bacteria based ,aparently safe and easy to use on smokeable flowers. Ever heard of it? I definately need to try it but im still not able to find it for sale in the U.S but they use it in California? Im not sure about all of the details but it could be the begining of the end for Botrytis, Powdery Mildew and other fungal issues.
 

Nullis

Moderator
The best measures are circulation, lowering relative humidity, and trying not to let your colas get so so huge. Is prevention possible/safe with bio-fungicides, maybe, but you'd have to be applying at the right times. Systemic fungicides should theoretically be more effective for prevention. The problem with botrytis is the infection is literally within the plant. The spores are quite ubiquitous and can grow from within the deep recesses of a cola, not just on the surface of the flower.

Once you get it though, unless you act very quickly in removing all of the infected material there is nothing you can do but chop immediately. Areas affected to any extent should just be destroyed. There is really no salvaging the molded material.
 
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