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Fogdog

Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
I believe in quantum physics. Do you?
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Once a person unhinges themselves from reality, they are capable of believing anything. From what you just said, I don't think you understand what you just said. You can't BELIEVE in quantum physics, it is something that doesn't require belief. Also, it's probably all going to be disproved when we find a different and better model for the physical realm.

The fact is, quantum physics are models that help us grow our understanding of the physical world particularly in the realm of the behavior of atoms and the behavior of sub-atomic scale matter. This model breaks down when it is applied to macro systems. So, it's fair to say that quantum physical models are useful but incomplete. Same goes with Einsteinian theory of relativity.

Cutting edge theoretical physicists, Steven Hawkings (RIP) for example, are working to combine the two (theory of relativity and quantum physics) and theoreticians using that method have pushed the boundary of our understanding beyond the Bohr atom and Einsteinian physics. Still, all of this reflects the growth of human understanding. We can't really say we are done because there are still inconsistencies between the real world and the human theoretical one. I can't say I understand all of this. I follow along, I read what I can understand and am amazed at what researchers have accomplished.

What is it about quantum physics do you believe? Is there a Who hiding among those electrons?
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
Once a person unhinges themselves from reality, they are capable of believing anything. From what you just said, I don't think you understand what you just said. You can't BELIEVE in quantum physics, it is something that doesn't require belief. Also, it's probably all going to be disproved when we find a different and better model for the physical realm.

The fact is, quantum physics are models that help us grow our understanding of the physical world particularly in the realm of the behavior of atoms and the behavior of sub-atomic scale matter. This model breaks down when it is applied to macro systems. So, it's fair to say that quantum physical models are useful but incomplete. Same goes with Einsteinian theory of relativity.

Cutting edge theoretical physicists, such as the kind of theory Steven Hawkings developed are working to combine the two (theory of relativity and quantum physics) and theoreticians using that method have pushed the boundary of our understanding beyond the Bohr atom and Einsteinian physics. Still, all of this reflects the growth of human understanding. We can't really say we are done because there are still inconsistencies between the real world and the human theoretical one. I can't say I understand all of this. I follow along, I read what I can understand and am amazed at what researchers have accomplished.

What is it about quantum physics do you believe? Is there a Who hiding among those electrons?
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Thank you for engaging. The elements of quantum physics that have shaped my spiritual beliefs are wave particle duality, nonlocality and entabglement. I think the double slit experiment speaks to my belief that consciousness transcends space and time. Perhaps we have not reached a final conclusion on what it all means, I can accept that. But it certainly proves that the physical world is not as easy to interpret as we might like. Quantum entanglement pretty much disproves Einsteins theory of light being the fastest thing in the universe. This opens the door to all sorts of new thoughts.

What do you believe in?
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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How can anyone engage in a serious discussion with someone that basically just said that we are all just spirits floating around going from body to body and even other planets lol, sounds a bit like Scientology or Mormonism,wonder if he's been to planet Kolob?
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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captainmorgan said:
How can anyone engage in a serious discussion with someone that basically just said that we are all just spirits floating around going from body to body and even other planets lol, sounds a bit like Scientology or Mormonism,wonder if he's been to planet Kolob?
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Quantum physics is considered a real science by many. Check it out sometime.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Bugeye said:
I don't have to care one bit about CO2 to know that living in harmony with nature and my fellow man is the way to go. To the extent I care about CO2 it is because, you, my fellow man and brother, are concerned about it and I care for you. So I am aware of my energy consumption and see conservation as the easiest way to do something in the here and now. I know that better technologies are coming and I look forward to transitioning to them because I expect this will not be my last life on this planet, nor yours.

I would hope that conserving energy for reasons other than reducing CO2 is okay with you, but I sense it may not be. You seem to come at me from a place of anger, frustration, low patience, distrust and disregard. Sadly, this will not help you reach your goals like you could if you marshaled your love for the planet in a more positive manner that invited cooperation and teamwork. An 'us vs. them' attitude will not solve much, just distract. We are all of the same source energy but very individual in our attitudes. If we choose to love one another, we can get anything done because it will be in our collective interest to do so and it will feel right.

Alas, if we are unable to prevent destroying ourselves on this planet, there are other planets that we can inhabit in future lives. But I have a great love for this planet and hope to see our species find the balance needed for sustaining life here. Thanks for asking.
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You keep running away when I ask, but why do you spam us with the same global warming conspiracy theories as David duke?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
Thank you for engaging. The elements of quantum physics that have shaped my spiritual beliefs are wave particle duality, nonlocality and entabglement. I think the double slit experiment speaks to my belief that consciousness transcends space and time. Perhaps we have not reached a final conclusion on what it all means, I can accept that. But it certainly proves that the physical world is not as easy to interpret as we might like. Quantum entanglement pretty much disproves Einsteins theory of light being the fastest thing in the universe. This opens the door to all sorts of new thoughts.

What do you believe in?
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When you say "believe" what do you mean by that word?

I require to be convinced. I can be convinced by established and verifiable facts or I can be convinced when somebody shows through their body of work and methodology that what they say is true. When I use the words "I believe" in something I'm saying I have been convinced. Sometimes I say "I don't believe", in which case, I either have seen facts that refute a belief or have not been convinced that another person has shown what they say is true. You say you believe in non-corporeal spirits that can inhabit life that hasn't been proven to exist anywhere other than this planet. I don't believe what you say is true.

Quantum entanglement is a special case of particle physics that doesn't prove the existence of an eternal sprit or life elsewhere. What you are talking about is called a leap of faith. In other words, you are a religious nut who is now able to believe in a religious sense just about anything.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Bugeye said:
Most of my interactions on this site with democrats are not very inviting. But I will consider it. I very much like Mary Ann Williamson, Mayor Pete, Bernie, Joe (wish he hadn't drafted the forfeiture law), and a couple others. Thank you.
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Do you think that has anything to do with you celebrating alongside white supremacists or telling holocaust deniers that you love them?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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UncleBuck said:
Do you think that has anything to do with you celebrating alongside white supremacists or telling holocaust deniers that you love them?
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LOL

He says he believes that human spirits will just live elsewhere in the universe so it's Okay if we die out on Earth due to mismanagement of Earth's resources in a completely preventable disaster.

Yet, he continues to deny the facts in Mueller's report that Trump comitted the crime of obstructing a federal investigation in order to obstruct Mueller from investigating his crimes of treachery against the US.

At the bottom of it all is Bug's nutty religious views that basically say whatever he believes is correct.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Fogdog said:
LOL

He says he believes that human spirits will just live elsewhere in the universe so it's Okay if we die out on Earth due to mismanagement of Earth's resources in a completely preventable disaster.

Yet, he continues to deny the facts in Mueller's report that Trump comitted the crime of obstructing a federal investigation in order to obstruct Mueller from investigating his crimes of treachery against the US.

At the bottom of it all is Bug's nutty religious views that basically say whatever he believes is correct.
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Yeah he really came out as a complete fucking nut today
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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UncleBuck said:
Yeah he really came out as a complete fucking nut today
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In light of his belief in a spirit world which he then uses to justify anything, including doing nothing to reduce the effects of human caused global warming. Also the way he uses legal minutia to defend fascists rather than expecting people to follow the law, I found this post laughable:

Bugeye said:
Most of my interactions on this site with democrats are not very inviting. But I will consider it. I very much like Mary Ann Williamson, Mayor Pete, Bernie, Joe (wish he hadn't drafted the forfeiture law), and a couple others. Thank you.
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Poor witttle bugsy who is mistreated for supporting worldwide extinction events unto human extinction and defending Nazis by those mean old Democrats who are objecting to blatant lies in the face of actual crimes by those fascists. He actually believes that he is the one in the right and Democrats are in the wrong for objecting to his bullshit.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
When you say "believe" what do you mean by that word?

I require to be convinced. I can be convinced by established and verifiable facts or I can be convinced when somebody shows through their body of work and methodology that what they say is true. When I use the words "I believe" in something I'm saying I have been convinced. Sometimes I say "I don't believe", in which case, I either have seen facts that refute a belief or have not been convinced that another person has shown what they say is true. You say you believe in non-corporeal spirits that can inhabit life that hasn't been proven to exist anywhere other than this planet. I don't believe what you say is true.

Quantum entanglement is a special case of particle physics that doesn't prove the existence of an eternal sprit or life elsewhere. What you are talking about is called a leap of faith. In other words, you are a religious nut who is now able to believe in a religious sense just about anything.
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I didn't say that quantum entanglement proved anything other than the speed of light not being the fastest parameter in the universe. Although I wouldn't be surprised if it was for things with mass.

When I ask you what you believe, I'm asking for your best guess as to the larger issues of creation and existence, things that maybe can't be proven. I have been atheist, agnostic, and now I believe in a God that might be better described as a force, source energy might be another description that I prefer. One to which I am not smart enough to understand but yet have a feel for.

You seem to be in the agnostic camp, perhaps atheist. The force I am feeling does not care what path you take, no magic words, it just gives you what you focus on. I have no interest in trying to prove the unprovable, but I am now capable of having faith, which is an unexpected change for me. I am loving the feeling. I'll try to tone it down for those annoyed by it, no promises. :peace:
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
In light of his belief in a spirit world which he then uses to justify anything, including doing nothing to reduce the effects of human caused global warming. Also the way he uses legal minutia to defend fascists rather than expecting people to follow the law, I found this post laughable:



Poor witttle bugsy who is mistreated for supporting worldwide extinction events unto human extinction and defending Nazis by those mean old Democrats who are objecting to blatant lies in the face of actual crimes by those fascists. He actually believes that he is the one in the right and Democrats are in the wrong for objecting to his bullshit.
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Nah, spirit does not care about politics, all darkness. Spirit cares about love.
 
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