TheBrutalTruth
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I probably should have rewritten it (it's disjointed) but I haven't the time.
Though I'll try summarizing it.
Republican/Democrat = Statist/Pro-Enslavement
Libertarian/Liberal (classic)/Conservative = Individualist/Pro-Liberty
Republicans and Democrats have disguised their Statist intentions by hiding under the ideals of Libertarianism/Liberalism and Conservatism, and then have corrupted the message being pushed by both (more freedom) to mean the opposite (more slavery.)
Though I'll try summarizing it.
Republican/Democrat = Statist/Pro-Enslavement
Libertarian/Liberal (classic)/Conservative = Individualist/Pro-Liberty
Republicans and Democrats have disguised their Statist intentions by hiding under the ideals of Libertarianism/Liberalism and Conservatism, and then have corrupted the message being pushed by both (more freedom) to mean the opposite (more slavery.)
Democrat/Republican = Retarded By : TheBrutalTruth (2009-05-04 18:16:4
So, apparently, because Conservatives believe in personal liberty, and in self-responsibility it means we must be for dictatorship. Apparently some where along the lines the Statists have managed to utterly confuse people as to what the different words mean.
We of course can only thank the media, and the general apathy of the populace for this.
First off, the entire polticial spectrum as imagined is horribly wrong. There is not a gap between Fascism and Socialism. Socialism is not Leftist, and Fascism is not Rightest.
The Political Spectrum does not go:
Socialism Democracy Republic Fascism Anarchy
It would not make any sense for it to place Fascism on the opposite side of Socialism. Both are Statist systems where everything is controlled by the government.
More importantly is the fact that Fascism would not fit with Anarchy. Anarchy is the absence of a State, whereas Fascism is an all powerful state.
The proper ordering is:
Socialism Fascism Democracy Republic GSO Anarchy
I had to add GSO, it stands for Government Service Organization or Governmetn Service Corporation. It represents a step above Anarchy where instead of having no government you have multiple governments in the form of subscription-based government.
Or you might have corporations that provide government services.
Such as Police Protection, Fire Protection, Contract Enforcement, Legal Representation, Waste Treatment, etc.
Such a system would occur between a Republic and Anarchy, because such a system would still need a frame work of laws that would govern the GSOs.
However, the above can be simplified even further:
Oligarchy, Majority, Law, Individual
Though even here it becomes obvious that Republic, as a form of government is distinct from the rest. A Republic (the United States for instance) represents a rule by law not a rule by an elect few (Oligarchy) or by the majority (Democracy) or by Individuals over themselves (Anarchy/GSOs.)
So:
Oligarchy, Majority, Individual
Republic
would probably be a better way to order it.
Though I am going to stop discussing exact forms of government and address the confusion created by the oligarchs.
As can be seen above Fascism and Socialism are forms of Oligarchy, or Rule by a few. In the case of both the Rulers are Bureaucrats or Sanctioned by the Bureaucrats.
So both are Statist.
Then there's Democracy which is Rule by People, but it is also typically Statist, relying upon the whims of an idiotic majority to govern the rest, and thus it is possible for 30,000,000 + 1 people to order about another 30,000,000 people.
Even worse, is that under a Democracy the 30,000,001 then can find ways to reduce it so that fewer people are able to vote making it so that there's 40,000,001 able to vote, and 25,000,001 are on the majority. Thus this rapidly becomes an Oligarchial System (United States.)
Not that it is necessarily a bad thing to state that certain individuals have lost the right to vote, because they have demonstrated a lack of responsibility by violating other peoples rights. These people would be criminals, or be insane and thus incapable of rational thought.
At the same time it also makes sense to place restrictions on who can vote, because such restrictions will also ensure that a tyrannical majority can not impose its will on a minority.
In the case of the United States this has come to pass.
A tyrannical majority (poor) have consistently voted to force a reluctant minority (middle class, working class, upper middle class) to support the existence of the poor and of the rich and affluent (government bureaucrats typically.)
What the Statists does not tell many people is that the majority of the affluent (top 90%) are in fact employees of the Federal Government or executives of Lower levels of Government. (The average Federal Government employee makes $100,000+/year including Benefits vs $58,000 for the average State Employee vs $52,000 for the average Private Sector Employee.)
In short there are more than the five classes listed by bureaucrat statisticians.
0. Entertainers (Actors, Actreeses, TV Stars, Sports Stars, etc.)
1. Executives of Major Corporations
2. Doctors/Lower Level Entertainers
3. Federal Employees/Lower Level Executive Bureaucrats
3. Entepreneurs / State Government Employees
4. Managers/Professionals
5. Low Level Managers/Line Workers
6. The Lazy Stupid Irresponsible Poor
...
Or perhaps a easier way. There's two types of people
Public Class and Private Class
The Private Classes are of course represented by the traditional Pyramid of Wealth
The Public Classes however can not be represented by the typical pyramid. While they typically make more than the Private Class on Average, their are as of right now drastically more of them, and their existence is maintained not by producing anything of value for the most part, but by stealing the fruits of the labor of the Private Classes.
The Statists (Republicans and Democrats) have managed to trick the public into thinking that there is some great divided between them when in fact both of them belong on the same side of the political spectrum, the far left (Socialism/Fascism.)
Then there are Libertarians/Conservatives who are distinct from the Statists in that they want more Freedom for individuals. and thus can not be grouped with Republicans who are really Statists using the cloak of Conservatism to hide their Statist intent (much like the Democrats are Statists who use the cloak of Liberalism to hide their Statist intent.)
There are also Liberals (true Liberals, not "liberals" as in Democrats) that also want more Human Freedom with out government interference. However it is no longer correct to address Liberals as Liberals, because the term Liberal has been hijacked by Statists to mean "desiring of having humanity turned into cogs in an industrial machine for the satisfaction of the State which pretends to desire their happiness."
No, the best term remaining to describe the classic Liberals would be Libertarians.
However as with Conservatism or Libertarianism the Statists have hijacked Liberal to mean supporting and desiring of more State Control.
In essence the Republicans and Democrats have stolen the terms used by internal factions with in them to describe themselves to hide their true intent, the continued creation of a Socialist or Fascist United States of America.
In truth there are two branches in Politics those that desire Freedom and Independence and those that want Safety and Slavery.
Those desiring Safety and Slavery have managed to divide those desiring Freedom and Independence into two camps. One that believes that Corporations are Evil --- nevermind that their existence is approved and maintained by the State as can be seen by the recent actions of both American Hitler II and American Hitler I (Obama and Bush) and the Old American Hitler (Clinton.) --- and another Branch that believes that Goverment is Evil --- understanding rightly that the rescuing of the corporations by the government was a play to expand the sphere of government control by the Socialist Statists (where as the Fascist Statists would have saved the corporations with more lenient terms, but tightened regulations down the road.)
In the end it can be assumed that there really should be two parties in the United States, but not the two that we currently have. One would be the Republican/Democrats (Statists) and the other would be Classic Liberals/Libertarians/Conservatives (Individualists.)
However the second has been divided by the first which has created a clever shell game where its factions pretend to be something that they are not, and thus continue to implement their policy of enslavement.
. it has a few problems.. but i won't be "enslaved" that way 
