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hey Ninja, I am glad for your answer.

just tell me why do you hold that opinion, surely you must have reasons to hold it. If your reasons are better than mine reasons, I am changing opinion. Is all.

homebrewer said:

Breeding with plants that naturally 'hermie' will likely produce progeny that can hermie too. Selfing is NOT the same thing and will not produce hermies unless the plant that was selfed carries that trait.

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then how do you explain companies like Cali connection and greenhoue that have a nice collection of hermie fem seeds to choose from????!?!?!?!?!

tobinates559 said:

then how do you explain companies like Cali connection and greenhoue that have a nice collection of hermie fem seeds to choose from????!?!?!?!?!

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Again, it's not the process, it's the genetics. I wouldn't buy beans from either of those folks but that's only because I like to do my research first.

I'd say they do not test for hermies properly.

homebrewer said:

Again, it's not the process, it's the genetics. I wouldn't buy beans from either of those folks but that's only because I like to do my research first.

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It seems you favor Serious Seeds from reading your jounals or at least AK and Kali Mist. In your opinion what other banks do you like or recomend?

MOON SHINER said:

It seems you favor Serious Seeds from reading your jounals or at least AK and Kali Mist. In your opinion what other banks do you like or recomend?

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I'd recommend you take your BEST plant, and I mean the plant that your patients f*cking go nuts for, and cross it to a strong male. THAT is how you'll get results like none other. In regards to the guys on the block that 'do things right', I'd look to folks like Tom Hill, DJ, Chimera, Ace and Classic (I'm sure there are others). These are the guys I tend to look to for hearty plants that I can use in my own pollen-chucks. Got a stellar female? Buy a pack from those guys previously listed, search for a robust male (DJ has a lot of great tips in things to look for in a male), and then cross it to your female phenom. My criteria may be different than others though. You can find great strains and crosses everywhere these days, it just depends on what you're looking for.

homebrewer said:

I'd recommend you take your BEST plant, and I mean the plant that your patients f*cking go nuts for, and cross it to a strong male. THAT is how you'll get results like none other. In regards to the guys on the block that 'do things right', I'd look to folks like Tom Hill, DJ, Chimera, Ace and Classic (I'm sure there are others). These are the guys I tend to look to for hearty plants that I can use in my own pollen-chucks. Got a stellar female? Buy a pack from those guys previously listed, search for a robust male (DJ has a lot of great tips in things to look for in a male), and then cross it to your female phenom. My criteria may be different than others though. You can find great strains and crosses everywhere these days, it just depends on what you're looking for.

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Thank you very much ! Time to read about healthy males now to start my own local "Dumpster"
Thanks Homebrewer!

Hello everyone! I have been lurking on here and grass city for 6 solid years and I've learned more here than from my horticulture degree. Ok now I made an account just for this thread because I am a breeder and read this entire thread and would like to discuss a few things and please give me your feedback.

1: most of you agree that feminized seeds is not a great idea for long term breeding.
Seed companies feminize strains for marketing. People would rather spend 10 bucks a seed and know it's more likely to be a fem.

2: fem or regular seed is a bad idea to back cross? As a breeder it is safe to back cross just to obtain the desired trait and it is not advised to do this several times unless the other strain is genetically diverse.

3:theoretical genetic mathematics- can feminized genetic diversity be obtained while using 4 completely different strains for long term feminized breeding to produce a genetically stable strain much like the stability of an afghani kush?

(Considering I have stressed tested these females through light, drought, and temp changes and showed no signs of hermaphroditism) this is the main mistake breeders make and that's why they get a lot of Hermes

ab, ac, ad, ae (4 strains)
ab+ac =abc, acb, ab, ac
Then scrap ab and ac and breed acd+abc = semi stable ab,ac strain
And then cross that with the semi stable ade+aed and you will get a genetically diverse semi stable strain that could be bread for long term? Or would it just be better to just rotate the primary 4 strains with each semi stable strain after each crop?
4: stabilizing poly hybrids results in superior genetics vs landrace strains In terms of potency and flowering time?
During my breeding attempts with poly hybrids , I have not noticed a reduction in potency nor flowering times in my keepers. The majority of the 50 seeds I grew from two strains were not superior and I trashed them.

As a general rule I do no cross the same strains more than once without reintroducing a separate strain because of genetic diversity. Thanks!

The strains I have dealt with and made hybrids and poly hybrids are from-
Loud bagseed hermy tested
Snow White (spliff seed)
Blueberry ( spliff)
Matanasku tundra
Crystal paradise(samsara)
Spice(mr. Nice)
Tutankhamon (DNA genetics)
Moby dick (DNA genetics)
Critical mass(mr. Nice)
Larry og
Connie Chung
And some autos that I'm
Playing with . Critical mass auto x northern lights auto .
Gonna back cross it with critical mass regular to increase yield

Studslice said:

1: most of you agree that feminized seeds is not a great idea for long term breeding.
Seed companies feminize strains for marketing. People would rather spend 10 bucks a seed and know it's more likely to be a fem.

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And why is that again?

homebrewer said:

And why is that again?

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well in my opinion if you were to breed fem seeds for a whole century, you would have very little male genes left, ... no? so no good for long term breeding. I personally prefer to keep it natural as much as I can anyway....

I have some questions. I've been wanting to breed my own stain for quite some time and I understand selecting prime male and female genetics but what I'm having a problem understanding is backcrossing. Is it where you breed following female generations with the original parent male pollen? or is it breeding brother to sister generation after generation? Everything I have read just baffles and frustrates me making me want to give up.

Sorry if these questions have been asked before but I'm looking for a "simple" answer not a 30 page dissertation.

Thanks Blackdeth.

blackdeth said:

I have some questions. I've been wanting to breed my own stain for quite some time and I understand selecting prime male and female genetics but what I'm having a problem understanding is backcrossing. Is it where you breed following female generations with the original parent male pollen? or is it breeding brother to sister generation after generation? Everything I have read just baffles and frustrates me making me want to give up.

Sorry if these questions have been asked before but I'm looking for a "simple" answer not a 30 page dissertation.

Thanks Blackdeth.

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Backcrossing- (ill give a hypothetical situation so its easier to undetstand)
All a backcross is at its core is taking one of the offspring from a cross
And breeding back to one of its parentsin an effort to recreate that parent

So lets say i have a blue dream and i breed her to a male sour d, i would then grow out
The f1 and select males that matched the vegetative growth of the blue dream
And random pollinate your original p1 blue dream mother.
That would be an example of a backcross, of course all this does is increase
The likelihood of finding a plant identical or similar to the p1 your trying
To replicate. If you wanted to backcross properly you would need an ibl
And you would use it to bring in 1 or 2 traits at a time to an already mostly
True breeding line.

Awesome thanks bf80255! the reason why I ask is because in my area we really only get homegrown mids at best and they have hybrid,sativa, and indica qualities even though they're from the same crop, so I'm wanting to breed in more of the indica into my plants making a "purer" line to grow and smoke....once again huge thanks man!!!