Breeding question
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supergrow357
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whats up shook? female plants get pollinated and start to produce seeds. seeds do ruin the plant to a certain degree. when the female plant starts to produce seeds it will not focuse so much on resin production. which is deffinently NOT what we want. also its a pain in the ass to have to take out seeds of some smoke or for that matter accidently smoke a seed.
sk3tch3
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marijuana plants produse resin glands to protect the seeds from animals, nature, and to be viable for next spring to carry on the genes. its a deffence mechanism. if a female plant is pollinated she will focus her energy on seed production as opposed to weight of the flowers, also on resin glands to protect the seeds. in fact it takes pollination in combination with uvb rays for a plant to fully mature, or thc realization. IMO
it is a pain to shake seeds but is necessary to continue ones crop. hope this help. peace and happy growing
supergrow357
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different kinds of light do different things. so far i haven't seen any valid expirments to prove how seeds actually affect the resin production on weed plants. there r 3 different kinds of UV. UVC, UVA, UVB. I'm interested in knowing which one truly affects marijuana. naturl sun light actually has a lot more uva than uvb. altough in h
HID lights there is more UVB & UVC. as far as seeds ruining your smoke. I think yes
sk3tch3
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How the Sunlight Effects Plant Growth
200 - 280 nmUVC ultraviolet range which is extremely harmful to plants because it is highly toxic.280 - 315 nmIncludes harmful UVB ultraviolet light which causes plants colors to fade.315 - 380 nmRange of UVA ultraviolet light which is neither harmful nor beneficial to plant growth.380 - 400 nmStart of visible light spectrum. Process of chlorophyll absorption begins. UV protected plastics ideally block out any light below this range.400 - 520 nmThis range includes violet, blue, and green bands. Peak absorption by chlorophyll occurs, and a strong influence on photosynthesis. (promotes vegetative growth)520 - 610 nmThis range includes the green, yellow, and orange bands and has less absorption by pigments.610 - 720 nmThis is the red band. Large amount of absorption by chlorophyll occurs, and most significant influence on photosynthesis. (promotes flowering and budding)720 - 1000 nmThere is little absorption by chlorophyll here. Flowering and germination is influenced. At the high end of the band is infrared, which is heat.1000+ nm
as you probably already know, at different stages of the plants flowering cycle, the cannabinoids not only develop (thc, cbn, etc) they also "mature". certain physco active properties in certain cannabinoids as well as new/different cannabinoids can only develop with the plant being pollenated and developing seeds. sensimilla will never hold these properties.
the "smoke" as you call will not be ruined, however the buds will not be worth their weight in gold anymore. the only thing that is ruined is the expectation of a huge harvest free of seeds.
200 - 280 nmUVC ultraviolet range which is extremely harmful to plants because it is highly toxic.280 - 315 nmIncludes harmful UVB ultraviolet light which causes plants colors to fade.315 - 380 nmRange of UVA ultraviolet light which is neither harmful nor beneficial to plant growth.380 - 400 nmStart of visible light spectrum. Process of chlorophyll absorption begins. UV protected plastics ideally block out any light below this range.400 - 520 nmThis range includes violet, blue, and green bands. Peak absorption by chlorophyll occurs, and a strong influence on photosynthesis. (promotes vegetative growth)520 - 610 nmThis range includes the green, yellow, and orange bands and has less absorption by pigments.610 - 720 nmThis is the red band. Large amount of absorption by chlorophyll occurs, and most significant influence on photosynthesis. (promotes flowering and budding)720 - 1000 nmThere is little absorption by chlorophyll here. Flowering and germination is influenced. At the high end of the band is infrared, which is heat.1000+ nm
as you probably already know, at different stages of the plants flowering cycle, the cannabinoids not only develop (thc, cbn, etc) they also "mature". certain physco active properties in certain cannabinoids as well as new/different cannabinoids can only develop with the plant being pollenated and developing seeds. sensimilla will never hold these properties.
the "smoke" as you call will not be ruined, however the buds will not be worth their weight in gold anymore. the only thing that is ruined is the expectation of a huge harvest free of seeds.
sk3tch3
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sk3tch3
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this is a goo one
(7) #2: The floral bract has become parthenocarpic: Parthenocarpic fruits develop without fertilization and have no seeds. Except for transmutation and turning lead into gold, there has been more nonsense written about seedless marijuana than on any other subject. In marijuana parthenocarpy, the floral bract (the fruit) enlarges in size as though there were a seed growing inside, and the capitate-stalked glandular trichome is triggered into growth on the floral bract and concomitant leaves. "Most popular supermarket tomatoes are parthenocarpic which was induced artificially by the application of dilute hormone sprays (such as auxins) to the flowers." In a trial, marijuana parthenocarpy was not induced by the application of the spray used on tomatoes. Only the photoperiod(c) will trigger parthenocarpy in flowering female marijuana plants. Marijuana parthenocarpy occurring before the autumnal equinox is considered by the author to be "long-day" and marijuana parthenocarpy occurring after the autumnal equinox to be "short-day".
The longest photoperiod that will trigger parthenocarpy in unfertilized flowering homozygous(d) Indica female marijuana plants is 13:00 hours, give or take 15 minutes. This effect can be obtained in the month of August at N35Lat, and because the capitate-stalked glandular trichomes received plenty of UVB during this month at this latitude, the harvested resin spheres had fully realized THC. Rating: euphoria and hallucinations, major appetite boost and pain relief, deep dreamless sleep. These plants seldom grow taller than four feet but potency makes up for the reduced harvest.
The gene pool is heterozygous if a flowering female marijuana plant is not parthenocarpic by the end of the first week in September in the Northern Hemisphere. If this is the case, pollination is used instead of parthenocarpy to trigger the growth of the capitate-stalked glandular trichome before the autumnal equinox to obtain as much fully realized THC as possible in the harvested resin spheres by the time the majority of the seeds are ripe.
MARIJUANA OPTICS: An elaboration on the process that makes THC
(7) #2: The floral bract has become parthenocarpic: Parthenocarpic fruits develop without fertilization and have no seeds. Except for transmutation and turning lead into gold, there has been more nonsense written about seedless marijuana than on any other subject. In marijuana parthenocarpy, the floral bract (the fruit) enlarges in size as though there were a seed growing inside, and the capitate-stalked glandular trichome is triggered into growth on the floral bract and concomitant leaves. "Most popular supermarket tomatoes are parthenocarpic which was induced artificially by the application of dilute hormone sprays (such as auxins) to the flowers." In a trial, marijuana parthenocarpy was not induced by the application of the spray used on tomatoes. Only the photoperiod(c) will trigger parthenocarpy in flowering female marijuana plants. Marijuana parthenocarpy occurring before the autumnal equinox is considered by the author to be "long-day" and marijuana parthenocarpy occurring after the autumnal equinox to be "short-day".
The longest photoperiod that will trigger parthenocarpy in unfertilized flowering homozygous(d) Indica female marijuana plants is 13:00 hours, give or take 15 minutes. This effect can be obtained in the month of August at N35Lat, and because the capitate-stalked glandular trichomes received plenty of UVB during this month at this latitude, the harvested resin spheres had fully realized THC. Rating: euphoria and hallucinations, major appetite boost and pain relief, deep dreamless sleep. These plants seldom grow taller than four feet but potency makes up for the reduced harvest.
The gene pool is heterozygous if a flowering female marijuana plant is not parthenocarpic by the end of the first week in September in the Northern Hemisphere. If this is the case, pollination is used instead of parthenocarpy to trigger the growth of the capitate-stalked glandular trichome before the autumnal equinox to obtain as much fully realized THC as possible in the harvested resin spheres by the time the majority of the seeds are ripe.
MARIJUANA OPTICS: An elaboration on the process that makes THC
supergrow357
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hey sk3tch3. are you saying that if you had two of the same clones, and you pollinate one that that one is the most potent or has the largest amount of resin?
sk3tch3
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no just different, the resins that are developed on each plant will be different.
read the whole article from marijuana optics, and the seedless MJ hoax as well. good points are made....
supergrow357
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okay sk3tch3. i read some of those articles. they diffently had some good points. so if everything they say is true, than we are getting screwed big time. is adding a reptile light that gives uvb and changing the light period a little bit going to fix the problem?
supergrow357
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or do you really have to pollinate along with lots of uvb to get the stoniest of herb?
sk3tch3
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most people know that alot of this is true but dont realize it. where does the best hash in the world come from? afghan, morroco, nepal....all of these places are relatively close to the equator, and are grown from seed, with pollenation, we harvest are sinsemilla in september????? they dont harvest till oct/nov. then they make hash because, well i guess they dont like the smoke from their weed...lol. j/k
supergrow357
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so would the reptile light help, or is it not worth it unless you pollinate?
sk3tch3
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How can you get more UVB light to your plants? Certainly it's true that MH lamps emit more UVB light than HPS lamps. Still the amount that MH lamps emit is small. In fact, many manufacturers use UVB shielding glass to filter out most of the UVB that's produced. The UVB light the plant receives from an MH lamp does increase the plant's potency slightly at the cost of yield, but there are better ways to introduce UVB light into the grow room. They include reptile lights, which emit about 10% UVB, and tanning lamps.
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sk3tch3
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also this most be considerd
(d)In Nepal and nearby areas of India where the capitate-stalked glandular trichome is triggered into growth by parthenocarpy rather than by fertilized ovum, great care is taken to make sure that all male marijuana plants are destroyed as soon as they reveal their sex. This is because unfertilized Indica flowering females can have both stigma and anther protruding from the floral bract. In the Indica gene pool, female-produced pollen carries an allele for long-day parthenocarpy, and seeds resulting from this female-produced pollen will produce another generation of female plants that will also exhibit long-day parthenocarpy during flowering. But if pollen from male plants is introduced into this gene pool, the resulting seeds will produce a generation of females that will exhibit short-day parthenocarpy instead. The allele for long-day parthenocarpy in the female-produced pollen is carried into the gene pool by self-pollination and cross-pollination, and perhaps homozygous is used too loosely here to describe the genetic result.
MJ optics
(d)In Nepal and nearby areas of India where the capitate-stalked glandular trichome is triggered into growth by parthenocarpy rather than by fertilized ovum, great care is taken to make sure that all male marijuana plants are destroyed as soon as they reveal their sex. This is because unfertilized Indica flowering females can have both stigma and anther protruding from the floral bract. In the Indica gene pool, female-produced pollen carries an allele for long-day parthenocarpy, and seeds resulting from this female-produced pollen will produce another generation of female plants that will also exhibit long-day parthenocarpy during flowering. But if pollen from male plants is introduced into this gene pool, the resulting seeds will produce a generation of females that will exhibit short-day parthenocarpy instead. The allele for long-day parthenocarpy in the female-produced pollen is carried into the gene pool by self-pollination and cross-pollination, and perhaps homozygous is used too loosely here to describe the genetic result.
MJ optics
supergrow357
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cool! i'll see what i can dig up. i would like to see a bud with fully realizied thc grown indoors. maybe the answers will come to me in my dreams since with this herb i probably will be dreaming!
supergrow357
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maybe there is a way to produce unfertile male pollen so that the female plant is tricked into fully realizing the thc & have no seeds actually produced.