Bristol Palin Paid Up To 30K For Abstinence Speeches

undertheice

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So what if some powerful organization paid somebody millions of dollars to go around saying condoms don't work, education is bad for people, fast food is good, etc. is that OK?
sometimes condoms don't work. the pablum that passes for public education is a blight on the intellectual landscape of the nation. fast food is a tasty treat from time to time. what is it you so fear from ideas that differ from your own?
 

Rob Roy

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what are you, 12?

she'd probably answer it to the best of her ability.

or maybe everyone would just run away screaming.

:roll:
12? Hell no, I'm quickly approaching dirty old man status, not quite ready for the Aqualung swan song yet though. So why would everyone runaway screaming if some wise ass in the audience asks a question that makes this person have to earn her $30,000 ? I'd think the sexual tension would cause alot of blushing, hemming and hawing and probably some nervous laughter. Or who knows maybe the questioner will grow hair on their palm and everybody will know their grandmother was right afterall.
 

Rob Roy

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Exactly......... it's the same as the guy that bitches about how much athletes make while hes wearing a $40 licensed hat and waiting to get into a game w/ his $90 ticket.
Dont like that system, dont support it with your hard earned cash. If no one pays to hear her that gig will be over in a heartbeat.
Good point. People should own their choices about how and on what they will spend their money on.
 

laughingduck

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I am guessing the libs would be proud if she had an abortion and covered the whole mess up! If she was asked about it then she should lie, that was the only "progressive solution" available.
 

Near

Active Member
sometimes condoms don't work.
They virtually never fail. It's terribly misleading to simply say that they "sometimes" don't work. A natural interpretation of that sentence would be that they don't work 10 or 5% of the time, when in actuality the number is far smaller than that. But the fools who promote abstinence purposely mislead teenagers into thinking that condoms are faulty.
 

tical916

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Shes proof abstinence doesn't work. So why continue to push it? And do you honestly think once she finds a boyfriend shecwont be having sex again. Although she'll prob use a condom this time or atleast birth control.
 

abe23

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I am guessing the libs would be proud if she had an abortion and covered the whole mess up! If she was asked about it then she should lie, that was the only "progressive solution" available.
I think most of us think it's a good thing that teenagers who get themselves pregnant have the CHOICE between staying pregnant and having an abortion. Sarah Palin and her ilk would prefer women didn't have that choice.
 

NoDrama

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You know what animals do when they give birth to a deformed or physically handicapped baby? They don't feed it, it starves to death and is shortly relieved of a life of pain and suffering. It is natures law to allow the death of the unwanted.
 

abe23

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No, it's murder and god says it's wrong. That's why animals aren't allowed into heaven, ya know. Oh, and humans used to ride on dinosaurs....yeah.
 

undertheice

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I think most of us think it's a good thing that teenagers who get themselves pregnant have the CHOICE between staying pregnant and having an abortion. Sarah Palin and her ilk would prefer women didn't have that choice.
what sarah palin and her ilk would prefer is that that choice was made long before it was necessary to choose between enduring an unwanted pregnancy and causing the death of another human being. that an understanding of personal responsibility was instilled in our youth, instead of tearing down a morality that has held us in good stead for centuries. though i don't agree with their abstinence only stance, i can understand the ethics behind their pro-life agenda and tend to agree that easy access to abortion has served to cheapen the way we value human life.
 

Padawanbater2

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what sarah palin and her ilk would prefer is that that choice was made long before it was necessary to choose between enduring an unwanted pregnancy and causing the death of another human being. that an understanding of personal responsibility was instilled in our youth, instead of tearing down a morality that has held us in good stead for centuries. though i don't agree with their abstinence only stance, i can understand the ethics behind their pro-life agenda and tend to agree that easy access to abortion has served to cheapen the way we value human life.
Conservatives are always afraid of change.

I value human life just as much as someone whose opposed to abortions. It doesn't cheapen it at all for me, why do you believe it does?
 

undertheice

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Conservatives are always afraid of change.
change for the sake of change is no better than being stuck in the past. much of the ethical base we have developed over the centuries is as pertinent today as it has always been. causing unnecessary death, failing to predict the reasonable outcome of our choices and to accept the responsibility for those outcomes are all detrimental to the well-being of society. what of these changes has added anything positive to humanity? it is not change itself that is to be feared, but the negative aspects of that change. we are carelessly engineering a society that values little but its own comfort, a comfort that is fleeting and is gained at the expense of others. our choices are becoming meaningless, having no consequences in the face of a growing trend toward the mediocrity of the mob. the importance of the individual's self-determination is fading, being replaced by the meaningless buzz of the hive.

you say you value human life as much as anyone else, but that is an obvious lie. you have chosen to see the potential of life as meaningless, something that can be easily discarded. you justify this callousness by clinging to the idea that it is nothing more than a parasitic lump of clay, without understanding that we can all be seen as nothing more than replaceable drones in service to the hive. today you define what is meaningful life. whose hands will that definition be in tomorrow?
 

abe23

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what sarah palin and her ilk would prefer is that that choice was made long before it was necessary to choose between enduring an unwanted pregnancy and causing the death of another human being. that an understanding of personal responsibility was instilled in our youth, instead of tearing down a morality that has held us in good stead for centuries. though i don't agree with their abstinence only stance, i can understand the ethics behind their pro-life agenda and tend to agree that easy access to abortion has served to cheapen the way we value human life.
Actually no. They want to make a medical decision for you that has nothing do with science and everything do with forcing your own morality upon others. And I'm sorry, but I can't believe you don't see the absurdity in using the phrases 'personal responsibility' and 'abstinence only education' in the same breath. I agree that abortion is something that should be rare, but it's not by refusing to teach our kids about contraception that this will happen...

Oh and also, difficult access to abortion also cheapens life...that of the woman who has to go get a risky procedure medical from a sketchy person in a back alley. That's one aspect of the good old days we conveniently like to forget.
 

undertheice

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They want to make a medical decision for you that has nothing do with science and everything do with forcing your own morality upon others. And I'm sorry, but I can't believe you don't see the absurdity in using the phrases 'personal responsibility' and 'abstinence only education' in the same breath.
the decision to take a life you have willfully created is seldom a medical one. it is a part of the same common morality that has led us to outlaw infanticide and selling one's children into bondage. the fact that we so casually allow it speaks volumes about our disintegrating national ethos. in all other areas we do not consider our children as property, but here we consider them as little more than biological waste. we have created an artificial time line to justify it, but it is still nothing more than a denial of our responsibility to our offspring.

what part of "i don't agree with their abstinence only stance" didn't you understand. that you should try to twist the meaning of that part of my post shows the failure of your sorry attempts to downplay the moral dilemma of abortion. while agreeing that the procedure should be rare, you still insist that it is some basic right and show the hypocrisy of that stance. all of our laws have their roots in our shared morality. the fact that we have outlawed theft, murder and rape is not because we just don't like them, but because they run contrary to that shared idea of the respect we all deserve as human beings and the responsibilities we all take on as part of society.

by the way, i always take a breath between sentences.:-P
 

abe23

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Touche....but I'm glad that we can agree that abstinence only education is a waste of time. If anything, it leads to more abortions if kids don't learn about condoms and birth control.

I'm also of the school that thinks you become a person once you're about to leave the womb and definitely not before the second trimester. I guess that's really at the heart of the debate and it goes well beyond politics. As far as policy goes, I like people being able to make informed choices...
 

tical916

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Wheres the arguement here?

We all agree we don't want millions of abortions.
Now the question comes down on what to do. We intelligent, rational people know people are going to have sex theres nothing you can do about that. So why not push birth control And safe sex.
While th other side takes the simple, holier than though way of thinking. IE pushing pro-life and abstinence onto people. And preventing a scientific approach towards it.
 
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