Bubblelicious, New York Power Diesel, and Super Skunk in DWC

well, micro has the mos n out of all of the gh series. Not saying its that just giving you ideas. Ebb&Flo should be pretty nice. I could see with all the headaches your having why you might want to ditch the buckets. I wanted to do ebb originally, but with my height restrictions, i could no figure out a way to make it work. Just no way to fit a table with a res and still have room for the roots to form. How the construction in general? Back to the drawing board, or a work in progress?

Integra21 said:

well, micro has the mos n out of all of the gh series. Not saying its that just giving you ideas. Ebb&Flo should be pretty nice. I could see with all the headaches your having why you might want to ditch the buckets. I wanted to do ebb originally, but with my height restrictions, i could no figure out a way to make it work. Just no way to fit a table with a res and still have room for the roots to form. How the construction in general? Back to the drawing board, or a work in progress?

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Yeah, E&F just seems to make more sense for me - don't plan on being unemployed forever, and am looking for a simple, trouble-free way to grow that's not dirt and doesn't require tons of attention and tweaking.

Actually wondering if I might be pushing my height restrictions a little as well, as two feet for the reservoir, plus 2.5 for the plants gets me to five feet, and the tent's only seven feet tall (with a 1000HPS), so I'm gonna need to setup that flower tent ASAP (maybe today, if I can get off my fat ass) and take some measurements.

And as far as the construction, I need to decide whether I'm doing E&F or DWC for flowering (pretty much decided I'm doing E&F, assuming the height works out). The issue with E&F is that I'd need 64 plants per tent to make it as efficient as possible, and I'm not willing to go that high in plant numbers, so I'm gonna have 16 with either two or four colas per, which I'm guessing is gonna be about ten to 14 days of veg from when the clones root in (hopefully) a couple of days.

Anyways, heading to the hydro store now to talk to the dude and pick his brain about E&F.

My (preliminary) parts list is below:

Additions needed (can't figure out how to paste it correctly, but even though the format's screwy, you can kinda figure it out):

Part Price Qty Subtotal Pots $ 1.50 20 $ 30.00 CO2 Regulator $ 150.00 1 $ 150.00 Chiller (Craigslist) $ 300.00 1 $ 300.00 Pot Covers $ 1.50 20 $ 30.00 E&F Fittings $ 10.00 2 $ 20.00 Reservoir $ 100.00 1 $ 100.00 400GPH Pump $ 40.00 1 $ 40.00 Coco Mat $ 50.00 1 $ 50.00
Total $ 720.00

if you have an extra $30 and your worried about height, set up a Scrog screen about 12" off of the table. You will be able to maintain an even canopy of a height you desire and force the plants to grow horizontal instead of vertical, thus maximizing your space with full coverage with fewer plants. Also makes evey but on the plant into a top cola. Figured I'd throw it out there and save your height worries.

Integra21 said:

if you have an extra $30 and your worried about height, set up a Scrog screen about 12" off of the table. You will be able to maintain an even canopy of a height you desire and force the plants to grow horizontal instead of vertical, thus maximizing your space with full coverage with fewer plants. Also makes evey but on the plant into a top cola. Figured I'd throw it out there and save your height worries.

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Have you thought about aeroponics at all? It is extremely easy to set up and I am sure you wouldnt have to worry about height restrictions. If you look into getting something like a panda reservoir they are quite a bit lower. What were you planning on using for one. Nice set up by the way... I switched to super soil for the year to see how it goes.

I use dwc and it works great for me. I was just trying to give positive encouragement to bob. His buckets havent gone so good for him. I thought about aero, but it seemed like a complicated initial setup with a higher startup cost and more things to go wrong, so I kept it simple with dwc.

Integra21 said:

if you have an extra $30 and your worried about height, set up a Scrog screen about 12" off of the table. You will be able to maintain an even canopy of a height you desire and force the plants to grow horizontal instead of vertical, thus maximizing your space with full coverage with fewer plants. Also makes evey but on the plant into a top cola. Figured I'd throw it out there and save your height worries.

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Yeah, was going to use a screen regardless, if nothing else then to support the (hopefully) heavy colas that form - figuring 4 colas on 1 plant/sf, that means that each cola would get its own 6"x6" square for growth, hopefully making it look like I have 64 single cola plants as opposed to 16 four cola plants.

Got back from the hydro store, and although the guy there is nice, he doesn't know as much as I'd like from my hydro guy.

He was amazed that you could even use hydroton in an E&F, and swore to me that all the roots would dry out and die (lotsa people use it and they don't die, it just allows you to flood more then rockwool, which I like).

Anyways, got some panda film which I'm gonna use to cover the tops of the 6" square pots, and also to light-proof whatever else that I can think of which might have some algae growth.

Another issue that I'm gonna have with hydroton is having a slab of either rockwool or coco under the pots as a failsafe should the hydroton get too dry or the pump break for any amount of time - the problem is that my store only carries the 3 foot by 6" slabs of rockwool, so I'll have to custom order a 4x4 slab of either rockwool or coco.

The tray I was given only has one hole drilled in it, so the guy said that if I bring my tray back in he'll drill it for me (anyone who's followed this knows about my shitting drilling, as well as the fact that the specialized bit is $70, which I'd prefer not to spend for the three seconds I'd be using it).

So, that's about it, just went in and looked at some setups to get some ideas - asked the guy if they had cannazym or hygrozyme, and they only had a $150 bottle of hygrozyme, which I declined to purchase, so he gave me some nitrozyme for free (don't ask me why).

crossouttheiis said:

Have you thought about aeroponics at all? It is extremely easy to set up and I am sure you wouldnt have to worry about height restrictions. If you look into getting something like a panda reservoir they are quite a bit lower. What were you planning on using for one. Nice set up by the way... I switched to super soil for the year to see how it goes.

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I have thought about aeroponics, but I want something simple, and E&F seems to be it.

Also pretty deep into this grow (not sure, but somewhere in the 4-5K range is my best guess), plus all the time I've spent doing things that didn't work out, so I'd like something that I'm pretty confident is gonna get me to the finish line with minimal building and spending on my part.

From my calculations, another six or seven hundred and minimal work on my part should get me my first harvest.

After a couple of harvests and expansions, then I'll probably start messing around with some other systems.

Watering Wand: $8.95
3 Bags: Fox Farm Ocean Forest: $41.85
20: 3 gallon smart pots: $60.00
Not banging your head against the wall: Priceless!

Did I miss something some where were soil is not an option? With all that time and effort you could have had enough dirt for quite a few grows my friend!

E&F though sounds like the way though if the height will work out.

Burn on!

Twils said:

Watering Wand: $8.95
3 Bags: Fox Farm Ocean Forest: $41.85
20: 3 gallon smart pots: $60.00
Not banging your head against the wall: Priceless!

Did I miss something some where were soil is not an option? With all that time and effort you could have had enough dirt for quite a few grows my friend!

E&F though sounds like the way though if the height will work out.

Burn on!

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Lol, that is a last-ditch resort, but I've lugged yards of ProMix before and don't ever wanna do that again.

Soil's just too messy for me, but it is an option if all else fails.

Bob Smith said:

Lol, that is a last-ditch resort, but I've lugged yards of ProMix before and don't ever wanna do that again.

Soil's just too messy for me, but it is an option if all else fails.

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Oh ok. Wasn't sure if it was completely out of the picture or not haha.

I do agree lugging soil is a pain the ass, and it is also really messy. I just have to sweep every other day

So going to go with E&F if space fits ya?

Burn on!

Twils said:

Oh ok. Wasn't sure if it was completely out of the picture or not haha.

I do agree lugging soil is a pain the ass, and it is also really messy. I just have to sweep every other day

So going to go with E&F if space fits ya?

Burn on!

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Yeah, it definitely fits and that's the route I'm going, methinks...............of course, not returning all my bucket stuff yet, you know how easily I change my mind

But if I was a betting man, I'd have my money on E&F.

Excited to see the E&F come to life, I have never seen one in a journal before.

You cannot go wrong with indoor pro mix an 3 gallon bags an advance nutrients mother earth two part oganic tea grow an bloom no need for ph ing. when two weeks into bud hit them once with ton o bud just once. It is the simplelest way to grow that I have ever done an idiot proof straight water every second feeding and flush for 10 to 14 days an wala beautiful tasting an great yields. I use a 1000 watt hps with a light mover I can keep the light 6 to 8 inches away from plants an sure does make for thick buds.www.peakseedsbc.com skunkberry an blueberry an northernberry are wicked to grow.

Bob Smith said:

Yeah, it definitely fits and that's the route I'm going, methinks...............of course, not returning all my bucket stuff yet, you know how easily I change my mind

But if I was a betting man, I'd have my money on E&F.

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Right on my friend! Can't wait to see the E&F up and running! Will it fit ? or are you going to be very limited for height?

Burn on!

Twils said:

Right on my friend! Can't wait to see the E&F up and running! Will it fit ? or are you going to be very limited for height?

Burn on!

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No, I really shouldn't be - was kinda stoned when I thought I'd have height issues; actually think it'll fit quite easily.

Kinda stoked for it, actually, but still need to do some research.

Bob Smith said:

No, I really shouldn't be - was kinda stoned when I thought I'd have height issues; actually think it'll fit quite easily.

Kinda stoked for it, actually, but still need to do some research.

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Right on! Glad that it will fit, sounds like its gonna work out quite nicely.

Burn on!

Thank you sir

Just ordered 30 of these:

http://plasticflowerpots.net/2gallonpots.aspx

Figure I'll put 25 into each tray (5x5, obviously), and that should keep me under the magical 100 number, at least for a while.

Sketching some plans for the stand I'm going to attempt to build for the tray right now, should be something even I can handle.

Other than that, it's really just getting the reservoir and lid (still would like to just use a cheap storage container, but figure I'll spend the money for an actual reservoir and lid - need to figure out the recommended size reservoir for a 4x4), taking my tray to the hydro store to get drilled and plumbed with the E&F fittings, grab another bag of hydroton, and I'm done, methinks (save for the chiller, but I'm gonna hold off on that until I figure out if it's necessary or not).

Oh, also need to get a regulator for my CO2 tanks, so that's like another $150.

Started to setup the flowering tent today but only got the frame setup - maybe I'll go put the skin on now instead of watching the Giants and Yankees.

If you have a seprate res like you are going to, You can simply fill 2l pop bottles with water and freeze them. Then just throw a couple in untill the desired temp is reached. It is easy to make do this way untill you decide if you need a chiller. But generally the cooler the roots are, the hotter your temps at the canopy can be, within reason. You dont want 40F res temps and 110F canopy temps. But with your CO2, you should shoot for around 65F res and 85F canopy. Cant wait to see this all set up. If you were local I'd come by and help you set it up.

Integra21 said:

If you have a seprate res like you are going to, You can simply fill 2l pop bottles with water and freeze them. Then just throw a couple in untill the desired temp is reached. It is easy to make do this way untill you decide if you need a chiller. But generally the cooler the roots are, the hotter your temps at the canopy can be, within reason. You dont want 40F res temps and 110F canopy temps. But with your CO2, you should shoot for around 65F res and 85F canopy. Cant wait to see this all set up. If you were local I'd come by and help you set it up.

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Yeah, hoping that with wintertime coming I can put off on buying a water chiller for a bit, but I'm still surfing Craigslist on the regular to check for deals.

That being said, I could handle soda bottles for the first run, I think.

Also getting kinda excited, shooting to have the 25 plants in there (10 clones of indica mama, 10 of sativa mama, and then five of the seedlings TBD) by November 1st and then start flowering by November 8th.

Hoping for a January 10th harvest, if all goes well.

So all appears to be well in the veg tent, save that the clones aren't rooting as quickly as I would've liked; see some nubs on a couple, but it's gonna likely be at least a week before they're ready for prime time.



A little yellowing around the leaf tips, but not as bad as when they just had plain water.



These super skunks are growing like weeds; clearly the strongest strain of the three.



NYPD is right behind, growing pretty well.



And the bubblelicious are making a comeback - very nice new growth, seems like they're coming around.



Indica mom recovered nicely.



Same with her sativa sister.



And I setup the flowering tent today (just the actual tent), and as you can see there's tons of fixings that I need to mount in there - besides that, there's gonna be a dehumidifier, the 4x4 tray, a reservoir, and possibly its own portable AC in there.

Crowded place.

Anyways, hoping to get that tent setup by noon tomorrow, go get my tray fully plumbed, and then go to Home Depot to build the stand for it.

Once I've got the light mounted, I can figure out how much clearance I need for the table, which will determine if I need to buy a "real" reservoir and lid (for like $200) or if I can get by with a Walmart reservoir (for like $30).

We'll see, but just wanted to give you guys and gals a quick update - more pics tomorrow when I've (hopeefully) fully set the tent up.

Go Eagles!!!!!!!

EDIT: posted a pic of the NYPD twice; the bubblelicious is the pic attached at the bottom. My bads.