bud gone bad...

Humanrob

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Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions, I really appreciate all the help!

I would harvest now before it spreads...and it will spread...I know...it sucks!
Is that the consensus? It's about 2-3 weeks earlier than optimal, the hairs are just starting to turn and the trichomes are a clear/cloudy mix with no signs of amber.

I can't make this into a poll at this point, but I'm curious what everyone thinks:

Cut it now?
Trim the rot and keep growing it?
Cut some and risk the rest going longer...?

Something else?
 

mushroom head

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I've been trimming rot and keeping them going as long as possible. That's me though I know some people just chop the whole plant but I don't have enough plants to do that, I need to end up with some mature product.
 

Vnsmkr

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I would chop it and make sure you have better conditions next go around, if thats possible....

If you dont have the luxury of doing so, cut infected parts, clean area and treat, and keep an eye on it closely
 

Humanrob

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Thanks again everyone, this is really helpful!

I've been trimming rot and keeping them going as long as possible. That's me though I know some people just chop the whole plant but I don't have enough plants to do that, I need to end up with some mature product.
Do you just cut out the rotted parts of buds, or remove all the buds that have rot? I'm getting this on parts of large colas, so I'm not sure how far to go.

Also, if you cut/remove the whole cola, do you dry and cure it and then cut out the bad parts... smoke or hash/oil/tincture the rest? Or are you cutting the bad buds and tossing them entirely and just focusing on saving the good ones?

I would chop it and make sure you have better conditions next go around, if thats possible....

If you dont have the luxury of doing so, cut infected parts, clean area and treat, and keep an eye on it closely
Can you expand on that?
 

Humanrob

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Sorry, been a long day, not sure that last post makes sense. I have some colas that are 10-12" long and are showing a spot of rot somewhere near the middle. I'm sure there is more under the surface, but I'm also guessing its not necessary to trash the whole cola? I'm wondering what the process is for saving as much as possible -- as in cut it, cut out the rotted part, dry the rest? Should I assume these entire salvaged buds are best for non-smoking options?

thanks again --
 

mushroom head

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I only cut the whole cola with the rot if the mould has spread to the main stem! If it hasn't then I just cut out the infected area.

If It has spread to the main stem then I cut the whole cola off. I then trim out the infected areas then dry and cure as normal, then make oil. I do not smoke the buds as is that had the infected areas in them, I always make qwiso with it!
 

Humanrob

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I only cut the whole cola with the rot if the mould has spread to the main stem! If it hasn't then I just cut out the infected area.

If It has spread to the main stem then I cut the whole cola off. I then trim out the infected areas then dry and cure as normal, then make oil. I do not smoke the buds as is that had the infected areas in them, I always make qwiso with it!
cool, thanks for that info! :)
 

Vnsmkr

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Thanks again everyone, this is really helpful!



Do you just cut out the rotted parts of buds, or remove all the buds that have rot? I'm getting this on parts of large colas, so I'm not sure how far to go.

Also, if you cut/remove the whole cola, do you dry and cure it and then cut out the bad parts... smoke or hash/oil/tincture the rest? Or are you cutting the bad buds and tossing them entirely and just focusing on saving the good ones?



Can you expand on that?
Something along these lines and basically as above as well

This is from a mate in Australia... and on here Redeyefrog

When inspection reveals a botrytis/bud rot/infection I immediately take the following steps;

a) Latex gloves, it just seems like a good precautionary measure to wear these while “operating” on a Botrytis site.
b) A dampened paper bag to contain the offending bud once it’s removed and it’s billions of spores. (Nothing like carrying an infected bud out of your garden in your bare hand while it showers your healthy babies with deadly spores.)
c) Dampened paper towel. I use these to cover over the healthy area immediate around the infection site to capture any dislodged spores while I am removing the infected bud.
d) Sharp Scissors washed in hot soapy water and dipped in alcohol. (I am not 100% sure if alcohol kills these spores but it seems a reasonable precautionary measure).
e) Once I have the above in place, I gently pull/bend the stem slightly so as minimize disturbing the offending bud, slide my scissors tight to the base of the stem and snip off the bad bud, it is gently put into the damp paper bag.
f) I than treat the “infection” site and associated stem area with a copper sulphate solution on a Q-TIP to help stop the Botrytis from literally crawling up or down the stem to the next buds.
Q-tip dipped in Copper Sulphate Solution to be applied to the stem and surrounding area after removal of the infected bud.
The paper bag with the offending bud(s) and the deadly brood of spores is carried far away from the garden and if not burned placed in a trash bag.
h) After each infection removal WASH! Clean your tools and your hands.:!:
i) It is imperative to monitor the cleansed site every day to monitor the overall health of the area and of course the surrounding buds for any contact infection. (The yarn trick works very well to keep track of these sites)

Increase your airflow in and around your girls, this includes:
a. Some gentle LST (low stress training), by opening up your plant as it grows with ties and strings creating greater air gaps between adjacent plants, stems and branches. The more air flow the better, it helps to control bud rots friends (humidity & dampness). As a side benefit a stem trained even slightly horizontal, IMHO, produces a greater quantity of larger nugs than a vertical stem. Additionally the nugs grow upwards and away from the stem therefore eliminating the nasty “crotch” area where lack of airflow and moisture tends to live.
Later on when the buds are larger I have actually gently inserted large wooden tooth picks/straws between the stem and the bud creating a small air
Trim and clean the foliage under the plant specifically taking off non-productive stems and yellowing leaves. Open the airflow below your plant. Constantly clean out any weeds and dead debris under your girls where Botrytis can continue to live as a mycelium.
After a rain shake the plant from the bottom, give it a good shake to get excess moisture away from your buds, also never water from the top, if you wanna spray your leaves use a bottle sprayer, if you get a lot of dew in the am
Shake your moneymaker again.
 

Humanrob

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Did you have any fans in the greenhouse?
It's not really a greenhouse. It's an odd poorly planned structure that has plastic over it, and both ends are partially open. It is not sealed closed in any way at any time. It's purpose is to keep the rain off, and in case of a "wind event" that we can have here (mostly during the winter, but sometimes during the fall), to stay standing and keep the plants from blowing over. It does apparently trap more moisture than I had anticipated. It will not be used again for this purpose.
 

Alienwidow

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It's not really a greenhouse. It's an odd poorly planned structure that has plastic over it, and both ends are partially open. It is not sealed closed in any way at any time. It's purpose is to keep the rain off, and in case of a "wind event" that we can have here (mostly during the winter, but sometimes during the fall), to stay standing and keep the plants from blowing over. It does apparently trap more moisture than I had anticipated. It will not be used again for this purpose.
Ya if humidity is an issue youd be better off if you picked up a couple box fans for 15 bucks and making sure air is moving and the plant is going to be dry and humidity isnt settling onto the plants. You probably could have avoided this for thirty bucks. Sounds like thirty bucks of buds already gone and maybe more to come. Go grab a fan or two and give er some breeze. Good luck man.
 

Humanrob

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Ya if humidity is an issue youd be better off if you picked up a couple box fans for 15 bucks and making sure air is moving and the plant is going to be dry and humidity isnt settling onto the plants. You probably could have avoided this for thirty bucks. Sounds like thirty bucks of buds already gone and maybe more to come. Go grab a fan or two and give er some breeze. Good luck man.
Great advice, not doable in this instance -- no electricity, no outside plugs to run an extension cord from.

This was my first year of doing my own outdoor and I was running on very little info. I read a lot here, but people are sharing their experiences from all kinds of climates with all kinds of different issues. I really thought that spraying was going to save me -- and I sprayed diligently -- but now I see "the condom broke". With this years hands-on experience of growing in this climate on this property, I have a better idea of what I'll need to do next year. Everything will be different from the ground up.
 

Alienwidow

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Great advice, not doable in this instance -- no electricity, no outside plugs to run an extension cord from.

This was my first year of doing my own outdoor and I was running on very little info. I read a lot here, but people are sharing their experiences from all kinds of climates with all kinds of different issues. I really thought that spraying was going to save me -- and I sprayed diligently -- but now I see "the condom broke". With this years hands-on experience of growing in this climate on this property, I have a better idea of what I'll need to do next year. Everything will be different from the ground up.
Ya i run an extention cord from inside. Actually eight together as one. The last five are triple female ended. That way i can daisy chain them together, plug a fan in at each one, and run my atomizer for spraying for bugs off of every connection. I hope next time you have fans and put up a quick greenhouse with some roll down sides before the rain comes. A little planning and youll have a killer outdoor next year.
 

2014LML

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It's gonna spread...you can't stop it...cut your losses now, before it's too late.
^^. i had to do the same w/ my blue cheese & a few other strains.......not happy about it, but i figured fuck, i might as well cut my losses and have a harvest, rather than try and let them finish & get fucked
 

Smidge34

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You will likely find one infected bud after another, after another until you've tossed most of your crop. This shit spreads in hours, not days. Genetics will take over here and you will wind up with some smoke if you take her now, as opposed to nothing if you wait too long. It sux, but if the genetics are there, you will get high.
 

tyson53

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Just before the worm season I begin a spray practice of Bt and Actinovate. weekly..its not a cure all by any means but a great preventive...since doing this i have had way less mold...but i still get some...in the greenhouse i get it mostly..when checking for mold I wear nitrile glove...carry disinfecting wipes to clean scissors after a cut and wipe hands..I put mold in a jar with hydrogen peroxice and seal it and move on to next site I see...i spray where I cut with peroxide also...I have 4 fans i GH and 2 are exhaust fans..and two are pointed up towards roof..I dont like them on plants ..reason is if any mold does develope your blowing spores...there is good air movement in Gh with my set up...just not blowing direct on plant...I spray walls an floor weekly with bleach...my fans are on a humidistat and come on once the humidity gets over 50%

now the funny part..i have a over dozen plants outside in raised beds..every morn covered in dew...and not 1 outside plant has had any mold..go figure..some have buds as tight as a bulls ass...I check them every morn and use a leaf blower to get most water off....we have some rain coming this week and that may turn the tides on me...but i will spray with actinovate today or tomorrow...

I have been cutting off the ripe flowers as i see them and checking with a loupe to see condition of trichs...

most mold i have cut has been around the size of a bean..nothing real serious...

just when cutting mold you have to make sure your clean between cuts...wipe scissors and hands good...use disinfectant wipes or hand sanitizer and wear gloves...if in a GH shut fans off...and spray infected area to kill any rogue spores...
 
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