a mongo frog
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Its a bit suspect yes. But what if he's not lying? Maybe he will come through with pics of his flower with the lab results required to get on a menu. Very frustrating.
Buds quality LEDs VS HPS
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No reason to ever run heaters if you can handle 1000w hps swap it with 1000w of led enjoy the extra yield and don't save power.So tell me more about this great power saving when someone then has to have heaters on with their lights? Also I suggest not trying to justify indoor growing in California as saving humanity lol Wanna be an ethical grower grow outside. LED does not somehow make someone more ethical in regards to saving humanity. Just like being Vegan doesn't.
Again like I said the touting of either being the best in every situation is complete and total bullshit. The best is what works best for the growing situation it is being used in and the grower using it. Neither type of lighting reigns universally supreme ATM.
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Fractured but whole
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GreenHighlander
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I would if saw a reason to. I was in no way knocking LED. I just feel no need to change my light set up until there is more then someones personal opinion telling me to do so. Sorry but there is no way in hell if LEDs were sooo much better there would still be so many, if any, using HIDs.
One might be a better fit for certain set ups over another. But to claim a light is responsible, over every other factor involved, for growing weed that blows all other out of the water AND yields wayyy more is simply not true, other then possibly for that one individual growers experience.
If they were universally superior in every way everyone would be running them without question.
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Fractured but whole
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if the bud was "superior" they damn sure would.
Chunky Stool
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Humple
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I see no reason to waste words on these yahoos who've never grown under COBs/QBs/strips, yet act like they actually know what they're talking about. Childish behavior not deserving of attention. Fuck 'em.He really is a troll.
Outbursts of ignorance, then claims victory.
I think the problem is they aren't miracle lights like people expect I would call a 10 percent gain a major win that would be worth the initial investment some people expect to double their yield or something crazy that won't happen. I also hate changing bulbs but maybe that's just me being lazy haha but to each their own. Moral of the story LEDs works and will slowly take over. In 2 years big companies will be using the same diodes we use to diy everyone will think it's a breakthrough! But we will all know the big companies use last gen diodes. There's always better stuff in the diy community.I would if saw a reason to. I was in no way knocking LED. I just feel no need to change my light set up until there is more then someones personal opinion telling me to do so. Sorry but there is no way in hell if LEDs were sooo much better there would still be so many, if any, using HIDs.
One might be a better fit for certain set ups over another. But to claim a light is responsible, over every other factor involved, for growing weed that blows all other out of the water AND yields wayyy more is simply not true, other then possibly for that one individual growers experience.
If they were universally superior in every way everyone would be running them without question.
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Fractured but whole
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you finally figured that out?He really is a troll.
Outbursts of ignorance, then claims victory.
you think I give a fuck what light you idiots use? I troll them because it's so easy. I have done it to them for years. Guess what, I will be here in another year with the same troll tactics and they will still be butt hurt and respond with the same stupid shit, LMFAOand you'll be one of them by then, and I'll troll you some more, genius.
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MichiganMedGrower
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Not the case at my caregivers house. No ir. Not enough radiant heat to the canopy. He needed heaters in winter ever since he switched.
He also doesn’t get more yield but that is the grower not the lights. The lamps are pretty bad ass.
ANC
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Could probably just route a few pipes below the plants with a small water pump and an aquarium heater and let the convection heat the plants.
It sounds like your problem is not the LEDs, but the COLD. Also if you fill a room with LED or COBS it still gets bloody hot. If you only have a few units hanging it may not heat up as much or at least as quickly. How do you handle night time temps.
So, you grow out in the cold, no insulation, no aircon depending on CO2 burner and HID for heat in the day. Night times you just let shit stretch and freeze? Then you want to blame LED. You see where I'm going.
It sounds like your problem is not the LEDs, but the COLD. Also if you fill a room with LED or COBS it still gets bloody hot. If you only have a few units hanging it may not heat up as much or at least as quickly. How do you handle night time temps.
So, you grow out in the cold, no insulation, no aircon depending on CO2 burner and HID for heat in the day. Night times you just let shit stretch and freeze? Then you want to blame LED. You see where I'm going.
MichiganMedGrower
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You are assuming an awful lot here. You must have seen pics of my garden here?
I use a radiator style heater in the 8x9’ room to keep night temps above 64 farenheight. It stays on low. It is a spare bedroom next to my living room.
And the room is using 2 600’s over a 3.5’ x 7’ area. Sometimes I add a 315 LEC if I have a backup in veg.
There would never be enough heat with led to the floor even with the equivalent wattage. I duct the exhaust under the living room in winter.
It goes out the chimney in summer. Heat is not a problem. My bills are extremely low for my output.
I have done all the math and had considered all the parameters I could think of.
And when I build my bigger room in the basement it will be colder down there.
Just the saved propane ruins any electrical savings possible.
OneHitDone
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Basically both of you have enforced the point that LED is not only more expensive on lighting cost but also all the other infrastructure to go alone with it.
Sure, if you have a 2x4 tent in a room of your home that is already being conditioned by your central HVAC you can probably pop your led up and grow.
For the majority that actually want to pull some weight for the amount of time that's going to be spent tending plants - usually moved to a garage or other non conditioned space, LED posses issues. Unless you are at the perfect geographical location or season of the year.
Basically if you are going big with LED plan to:
Build a FULLY Sealed Insulated Space
C02 supplementation
Ac/Heat control + dehumidification x 10
Basically a lab type environment
On the other have, with HID you can just hang your fixtures and set up an exhaust fan using a small heater at lights out if needed and a dehumidifier.
That is the situation in my garden. If I went LED right now my temps would not come up frequently enough to cycle ample environmental C02 into my garden. Making C02 supplementation a necessity. Then i would also be down the A/C rabbit hole as well.
So, the moral of the story - Let's be a bit more honest on equipment required to fully implement led into the garden for the way the mass of growers operate.
And also the true electrical costs of running all that equipment to support the use of led
Fractured but whole
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love how they try so HARD to push people to their lighting.
MichiganMedGrower
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Every solution just to run a different grow light costs money. We donate cheap meds here brother. This is not a money house.
And the water heater is no where near the growrooms. They operate in sinc sharing air conditioning in mid summer. The veg tent room is also a workroom and a lung room for the flower room next door.
I have been doing this 2.5 years here and a similar setup at my old house for 2 years.
Why is it so important for me to buy cobs or q.b?
I have not seen any results here or at other sites that prove better quality due to the lights. The individual grower has much more to do with that.
And again. Some posts here are at 50 w per square foot. I run about that. And the yields posted only match mine at best.
And you are all saying I need to run the room hotter with the led. That compounds my expenses further.
Right tool for the job is the only right way to choose tools.
I listened to the forum about 315 cmh. They don’t meet the hype here either.
Fractured but whole
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not to mention the relearning curve of nutrients to use led.
MichiganMedGrower
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Every once in a while I try to promote reason. It never works much.
What will they all do in a few years when affordable discrete diodes with enough power like they are researching now hit the market? By then there will be specific tailored cannabis spectrum and I bet better nutes from the big companies too.