Building single-plant growbox, I want your opinions!
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Fractus
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I disagree. Salt is soluble in water, correct? Clean water rushes in from the bottom and the salt mixes with it and ionizes and all that shit. And then when I pick it up it all pours back out yellowish. Dissipates into a bathtub holding gallons and gallons and GALLONS of water, so that the salt concentration would be next to nothing still in the whole tub of water. And rinsing again and again, I know it works fine. You can find it in many other places on this site. A shower doesn't surround everything like a bath does. In showers, water takes the easiest route possible to get from where it entered the soil to where it gets out. I bet you miss places entirely, while I'm sure I sucked all the salts out of all the soil. Just another matter of opinion. Neither way is wrong I wouldn't think. I think variation in results based on using one flush method or the other would be minimal, more than likely invisible.
bigjesse1922
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I have never heard of anyone doing this.
You can agree or disagree. For flushing, there is a right way, and many other less effective ways.
I have given you the info to do it the best way, for the best results. What you choose to do based on your own theories or hypothesis is really up to you. I speak from experience.
Fractus
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I read on threads months ago about this method, I didn't just make it up, although I'm sure it wouldn't surprise anyone if I did lol. I just looked around and can't find the thread that I learned it from anymore :/ I assure you it is somewhere on Rollitup though. Have you ever tried it before? If not then you can't really say your way is better and you know from experience, because you've only experienced one way. I just know based on chemistry that what I just did will take the salt out. Maybe your way is more effective, but since I'm going to be watering normally for the rest of her life anyway and letting water drain out, I'm sure it won't matter how I did my initial flush.
bigjesse1922
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I am not saying your way is ineffective. It did do some of what you wanted I am sure.
Just not as effective as mine. And yes I have tried different methods and settled on this one, because it's just the best way to do it in soil.
Flushing isn't all about salts. And salt is water soluble at different rates. One flush is not going to completely remove all these built up minerals and such either.
Just not as effective as mine. And yes I have tried different methods and settled on this one, because it's just the best way to do it in soil.
Flushing isn't all about salts. And salt is water soluble at different rates. One flush is not going to completely remove all these built up minerals and such either.
sweet island skunk09
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looks like your finally gonna get some home grow from this box
potlike
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Sorry it doesn't work that way... soil acts as a retention center for water.... it holds it and sucks it up like a sponge. yes SOME EXCESS DRIPS out but ever hear of OVERWATERING? <<<<< Yes you can do that. This isn't a matter of opinion this is a MATTER OF FACT.
-potlike
Fractus
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potlike-
I still disagree because what I said makes more sense than what you said. My facts are these: I ran a ton of water through my soil and cleaned it from yellow running out my drain holes, to crystal clear water. I know I cleaned it, that is a FACT for you. And if you're saying saturating the soil from the bottom is overwatering, but saturating it from the top by pouring 5 times as much volume of water as soil isn't overwatering, then I'm not sure how much I value your advice. The purpose of it is to flush, after that, I water. I cleaned my dirt and it's going to stay clean because I'm not putting anything else back in it except clean water. I don't understand why you need to try to find fault with everything. My plant speaks for itself, it is still healthy as ever even after my flush.
I still disagree because what I said makes more sense than what you said. My facts are these: I ran a ton of water through my soil and cleaned it from yellow running out my drain holes, to crystal clear water. I know I cleaned it, that is a FACT for you. And if you're saying saturating the soil from the bottom is overwatering, but saturating it from the top by pouring 5 times as much volume of water as soil isn't overwatering, then I'm not sure how much I value your advice. The purpose of it is to flush, after that, I water. I cleaned my dirt and it's going to stay clean because I'm not putting anything else back in it except clean water. I don't understand why you need to try to find fault with everything. My plant speaks for itself, it is still healthy as ever even after my flush.
I appreciate help when it is helpful. But this just sounds like you're trying to show me that I'm retarded and because you have been growing longer that your way is 100% better than mine regardless of what I say. It's cool that you are eager to try and give me advice at all, but this isn't the way to get anyone to listen and understand. Prove your point logically and politely and I'll more than likely be right behind you.
SimplyBaked
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Fractus...I applaud you for never losing ur cool through this whole thread! Everytime someone comes at you with something, u come back with straight facts! Not taking anything away from the Vets here at all, but to see a newbie back his shit up as much as u do...is like music to my...well eyes i guess 
potlike
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Ok, I guess when I posted this earlier it didn't post for some reason. Problem is it isn't straight facts that he's coming back with it is mere speculation. When you flush you let the runoff go to waste..... the way he is suggesting you let the plants bathe in the excess water. What is going to happen is the roots will wick up all that excess water and the plant will get a lil droopy and suffer from overwatering. It is fixable but again if you let your plants bathe in water for soil grows you are just asking for trouble.
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bigjesse1922
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Not to mention you are allowing your plants soak in chlorinated water, that is not ph'ed, as I heard you mentioned.
southernsmoke23
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Damn thats just one plants.
Kudos to you bro
Kudos to you bro
GrowTech
stays relevant.
Yeah would be a lot to lose if you fuck her up
Fractus
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This isn't my "theory" on flushing. I found it on THIS SITE and people with a lot more posts than most of you were backing it and saying it's fine! It was an educational post from experienced growers and people thanked him for the idea and people posted how well it worked. I can't find it now because it was an older thread, and I don't remember who wrote it. I don't really care if you don't believe me either, but I wouldn't have tried it if I didn't have some reason behind it. But seeing as how nobody here used reference to trying it themselves and having bad effects on their plant, I'm going to assume you shooting down this idea is just a noob theory as well. It worked for me. That's it..
Now, potlike- Listen closely. If water is draining out the bottom, then your soil is holding all the water it can hold. So if you dump 5 gallons of water through your one gallon pot to flush it, and 3 gallons runs back out, you soils is Soaked. Just as soaked as if you were to dunk the whole thing. Like you said, soil retains water, but it has a peak. Either way you choose to flush your soil is going to hit that peak of maximum water retention. Now if you're curious how this other flushing method makes sense, listen here:
Lets say I have salt in my dirst, at full concentration. Since it is water soluble it will mix with water (not stay with the soil, and split up into Na+ and Cl- ions(even if it isn't table salt, ionic compounds all work the same way). Now lets say my box filled up with 4 gallons of water when dunked. But the soil retains 2 gallons on its own. So the salt is now disolved into 4 gallons. I lift the box up and 2 gallons of SALT water drains out. That drainage water mixes with lets say 45-50 gallons (typical bathtub) clean water, so that salt is SO DISPERSED in tons of water it is invisible. Like I said before. So I use that ALMOST clean water and dunk again. Now there is 4 gallons of water in the box with HALF as much salt, all mixed up. I lift and drain. Now there is 1/4 of the salt in the box. Lets try again shall we? Dunk and drain again and now in my box mathematically I cleared 7/8 of all salt/chemical content. Whatever's left I expect her to use or to be rinsed out in later waterings. If you STILL have questions feel free to ask, but I'm telling you this works and I wasn't the one to come up with it.
I have fed my plant tap water since day 1, I have never PHed before, don't even have a PH tester of any sort. And I have never had a problem, and probably never will because my water may be chlorinated, but nothing like what you guys have in your imagination. I live in a small city with very good water treatment and you can't even taste anything in the water. I can't imagine there is enough chemicals in it to do anything (plants OR humans) any harm at all. I don't know much about water treatment standards but if it your tap water kills your plant then I would move.
redivider-
I don't really know lol. With mine, I realized height was an issue, so I cut the top right off with a clean cut and stopped her from growing up, now she grows out. Try asking one of these guys who had that problem before.
Now, potlike- Listen closely. If water is draining out the bottom, then your soil is holding all the water it can hold. So if you dump 5 gallons of water through your one gallon pot to flush it, and 3 gallons runs back out, you soils is Soaked. Just as soaked as if you were to dunk the whole thing. Like you said, soil retains water, but it has a peak. Either way you choose to flush your soil is going to hit that peak of maximum water retention. Now if you're curious how this other flushing method makes sense, listen here:
Lets say I have salt in my dirst, at full concentration. Since it is water soluble it will mix with water (not stay with the soil, and split up into Na+ and Cl- ions(even if it isn't table salt, ionic compounds all work the same way). Now lets say my box filled up with 4 gallons of water when dunked. But the soil retains 2 gallons on its own. So the salt is now disolved into 4 gallons. I lift the box up and 2 gallons of SALT water drains out. That drainage water mixes with lets say 45-50 gallons (typical bathtub) clean water, so that salt is SO DISPERSED in tons of water it is invisible. Like I said before. So I use that ALMOST clean water and dunk again. Now there is 4 gallons of water in the box with HALF as much salt, all mixed up. I lift and drain. Now there is 1/4 of the salt in the box. Lets try again shall we? Dunk and drain again and now in my box mathematically I cleared 7/8 of all salt/chemical content. Whatever's left I expect her to use or to be rinsed out in later waterings. If you STILL have questions feel free to ask, but I'm telling you this works and I wasn't the one to come up with it.
I have fed my plant tap water since day 1, I have never PHed before, don't even have a PH tester of any sort. And I have never had a problem, and probably never will because my water may be chlorinated, but nothing like what you guys have in your imagination. I live in a small city with very good water treatment and you can't even taste anything in the water. I can't imagine there is enough chemicals in it to do anything (plants OR humans) any harm at all. I don't know much about water treatment standards but if it your tap water kills your plant then I would move.
redivider-
I don't really know lol. With mine, I realized height was an issue, so I cut the top right off with a clean cut and stopped her from growing up, now she grows out. Try asking one of these guys who had that problem before.
potlike
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<catnips> you can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think
Just because someone has a lot of posts doesn't make them intelligent....as I said before there are some really great growers on here that have been here for years and then there are complete moron. Because you are still arguing this point you have proven to me that you sir are an idiot. Good luck when your plants die.
-potlike
GrowTech
stays relevant.
There is only like 10 active members out of 160,000 with more posts than I have, regardless though, post count has nothing to do with experience. I'm really curious what thread you read this in, so if you ever see it again, send me a link. Also, not minding the pH is bad... maybe even holding you back from producing more bud.