Buying C02 tanks, refill etc

meltdown213

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I'm new to the game and read the C02 sticky and thought I'd share some wealth.

I use to work in a welding supply company filling gases in the late 90's and thought I'd give it up.

Welders really don't use C02 to weld. C02 is predominantly used in the food and beverage business. The gas is used for fountain drinks and the solids (dry ice) are used for packing and shipping. If you want to experiment with C02 without paying a lot of $$, get a 20lb block of dry ice and place it in a cooler ( never a refrigerator or freezer). People purchased dry ice all the time for camping à keep food frozen.

The people behind the counter are only concerned with getting their money. You don't have to worry about list, tracking etc. They do get cranky about filling tanks they don't own or didn't sell to you themselves. This is because people rent tanks from one company and then they try to get it filled by another. (Most companies won't fill tanks that are owned by another company) If you bought the tank from somewhere else, be sure to bring the proof of purchase with it every time you need it refilled.

The tanks/cylinders themselves are sold in 5,10,15,20,50lbs sizes. The "pound" reference comes from the amount of liquid that is placed into the cylinder during filling. Never try to get a tank "topped off". It has to be completely emptied before they will fill it. I suggest opening the value all the way for a day. If you see ice on the bottom of your tank that means it has formed dry ice in the bottom and will need to evaporate before filling.

It sounds like the plants use a lot of the gas so I would visit the same store each time that way the staff gets to know you and you'll get a better price. If they ask about the application, I'd tell them you need it for an indoor greenhouse (grow your own food, hobby etc). If you don't want to mention growing than you need it for a portable bar business you run. The point here is that individuals don't use a lot of C02 and if you tell them it's for welding than they will probably start to wonder and ask you questions you won't know the answer to.

Safety should be used when dealing with C02. The liquid will burn you and the gas will suffocate you. If you chest starts pounding and you become dizzy around you tanks I suggest you start moving fast (you've got less than a minute to live). Get fresh air immediately and come back later to evaluate. Use soap and water in a spray bottle to check your fittings for leaks.
 

GrowTech

stays relevant.
You can get these puppies for about $120/bottle and $20/fill where I do my shopping... You know of any more affordable source?
 

meltdown213

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$120 sounds right for a 50lbs aluminum tank.$20 sounds pricey for a 20lbs refill. Price varies by consumption/usage.
The welding shops are much cheaper than the grow stores here.

The guys behind the counter haggle a bit ...so give it a try
 

meltdown213

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If you're considering buying a tank and haven't yet. I'd buy it from a local welding store. These places make their money off of product and will likely give you a good deal on the tank because they know you'll be back for the product... most places will only fill tanks for individuals that purchased the tank from them.

Don't buy a steel 50lb tank cause it will weigh @175-200lbs full.

BTW, C02 is a bi-product gas and is dirt cheap.

I hope this helps others cause I've learned a lot here. This board is the fore front of weed research.

PEACE>
 

Hidden Dragon

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I was a little pissed the last time I filled up. The first time the guy charged me $22.00. He just exchanged the tank with another full one. The next time the guy charged me a "Hazardous gas handling charge", and the fill was about $28.00. I had a buddy pick it up so I didn't realize it until he brought it to me. A different guy handled the 2nd transaction. Should I go back and complain? Thanks.

HD:leaf:

BTW, My Hydro store gave me the empty tank for free. Good guy.
 

meltdown213

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I was a little pissed the last time I filled up. The first time the guy charged me $22.00. He just exchanged the tank with another full one. The next time the guy charged me a "Hazardous gas handling charge", and the fill was about $28.00. I had a buddy pick it up so I didn't realize it until he brought it to me. A different guy handled the 2nd transaction. Should I go back and complain? Thanks.

HD:leaf:
The hazmat charge is usually for delivery.

If you own the tank and bought it from them, I wouldn't allow the swap out...you'll never see the original again and all tanks have a serial number on them and it should match your receipt.

Basically you have to continue paying that hazmat charge if they get sh!tty with you because you won't have the proper documentation to get that tank filled somewhere else.

Also, those tanks have to be pressure checked every so often and they will charge you for it. New tanks are 10years before testing and 5 years after that. You'll see all the info stamped on the collar of the cylinder. The pressure testing date will look like 10/08. I say all of this because C02 is corresive and all company owned tanks held other gases until they reach the end of the life cycle.

So if you bought a brand new tank last year and they swapped out one that needs to be tested, when your buddy returns it you'll get charged. It is likely that they will fill and give you one that has already expired. Take it back and bitch that they broke the law and see if it doesn't get you a freebie.

If you don't complain then they just made extra $$.
 

meltdown213

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What a wonderful thread! :razz: K+
Thanks.
I can't imagine a person going through 50lbs/month of C02 for welding. If that is the excuse you used then the workers will start wondering why you don't want other welding supplies.

I filled plenty of tanks for people's gardens back in the day...some far more obvious than others.

We had this old hippie who said it was for his roses...no one at the counter knew shit about growing/roses so that dude was usually on his way without a lot of questions and "upselling".

People at the counter don't care what you use it for. So telling an obvious lie to them will only raise suspicion and make your visits uncomfortable.
 

Krayven Sumhead

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I was a little pissed the last time I filled up. The first time the guy charged me $22.00. He just exchanged the tank with another full one. The next time the guy charged me a "Hazardous gas handling charge", and the fill was about $28.00. I had a buddy pick it up so I didn't realize it until he brought it to me. A different guy handled the 2nd transaction. Should I go back and complain? Thanks.

HD:leaf:

BTW, My Hydro store gave me the empty tank for free. Good guy.
I'd be pissed off too, that he took your tank and gave you a chitty one in exchange. I'd go back. I'm putting some sort of identifying mark on mine.
 

meltdown213

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I'd be pissed off too, that he took your tank and gave you a chitty one in exchange. I'd go back. I'm putting some sort of identifying mark on mine.
Some people did mark their tanks with wax pencils/paint. Lazy workers don't want to fill it immediately and will tell you to come back another day....or swap it out for one of theirs which is already filled. See how the game is played.

My pump would fill a 50lbs in about 45 seconds.
 

Krayven Sumhead

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This thread has be resurrected on Good Friday......OH my Gawwwwd.......Anyhow, so the best advice I could glean from this thread is that it's best to go to a welding shop and purchase a full 20 pound tank ? Do the have 50lb'rs?? Or just 20's and 100's?? I've just got a cabinet grow going, but I kicked them into flowering about 1 week ago and want to start feeding them some Co2. I've only got three plants and I'm beginning to suspect 2 of them are hermies or males. Either way, they're outta there, but I'm waitin a couple more days just to make sure.
 
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