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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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hanimmal said:
Your 'forced' bullshit has no power over me troll.

You are a tool of rich people trying to poison our society with your bullshit propaganda.
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That's not a good refutation and reeks of lame logic marinated for decades in government schools and then baked to a crisp.

You're right, though, I don't and shouldn't have any power over you. I am free to persuade you, but not to enslave you. Good one, blind squirrel.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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hanimmal said:
More 'forcing' bullshit from the local bridge dweller.
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I'm disappointed in the quality of your responses. They seem a bit, ummm, lame, irrationally defensive and conflating.

Almost like you are experiencing an inability to form a coherent rebuttal to my assertions.

I don't live under a bridge. I live in a cave.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rob Roy said:
I'm disappointed in the quality of your responses. They seem a bit, ummm, lame, irrationally defensive and conflating.

Almost like you are experiencing an inability to form a coherent rebuttal to my assertions.

I don't live under a bridge. I live in a cave.
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It is just you are so boring. I have read this nonsense propaganda that rich ass holes have been paying to get spread for the last decade.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rob Roy said:
No, because basic logic says so. You can't perform charity with a gun, try as you might. It just doesn't work, like your (pffft) "arguments" .
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Ive never had a gun held to my head by police because of 'muh taxes'.

But keep up the 'good' work that rich people have tricked/paid you to post that is all bullshit and old world thinking that was around when the economy was able to be crashed at will by rich white guys looking to vacuum up all the wealth that others worked hard to build by bankrupting their towns/cities/nations.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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hanimmal said:
It is just you are so boring. I have read this nonsense propaganda that rich ass holes have been paying to get spread for the last decade.
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Sounds envious and distracting.

Charity. It's a nice thing. Stealing, it isn't nice. Where's that list of your stuff anyway? You gonna horde all that?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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hanimmal said:
Ive never had a gun held to my head by police because of 'muh taxes'.

But keep up the 'good' work that rich people have tricked/paid you to post that is all bullshit and old world thinking that was around when the economy was able to be crashed at will by rich white guys looking to vacuum up all the wealth that others worked hard to build by bankrupting their towns/cities/nations.
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Do you willingly pay to drone kill children ? That's a binary question, either you do or you don't.

If you do, you are doing it wrong. If you don't, you are paying for it against your will and if you don't pay for it, the gun will appear won't it ?
 
Don't Bogart

Don't Bogart

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Rob Roy said:
So I take it, you don't know what a right is or isn't and are okay with using a gun to force your ideas on other people even if they aren't trying to force you to fund their ideas.
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A gun. A gun you say. See, a perfect example of insane ranting.
There was a vote. Unanimous I believe. Majority of the public agreed with this.
Your position, in itself, is forcing an idea on people.
Tell you what, channel Mother Theresa and jump in there and lead by example.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Don't Bogart said:
A gun. A gun you say. See, a perfect example of insane ranting.
There was a vote. Unanimous I believe. Majority of the public agreed with this.
Your position, in itself, is forcing an idea on people.
Tell you what, channel Mother Theresa and jump in there and lead by example.
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Thanks for volunteering to do actual charity. The kind where you made a choice to use your time and resources to help others. I appreciate that.

The rest of your claim doesn't pass the logic test and is inaccurate. Not trolling you, just applying basic logic and math.

When we make choices for ourselves, that's usually okay. When we use a vote to make people do things when none of the individuals doing the voting have a right to force on others as individuals, we are engaging in sophistry. Believing in the impossible.

If you don't have a right to force me to volunteer at the Epilepsy foundation. (you don't) You couldn't pass that "non right" to another person or group of persons who call themselves government could you ?

It's impossible to delegate to a "representative" a right you don't have. It's impossible to create a right from a pile of people who don't have the right to do something to begin with. A sum of zeroes is still zero.

I hope you ponder that.

Tell you what. You and hanimmal and I are sitting around and you and I vote that we can redistribute his stuff against his will. Neither of us has that right, but if we combine our two zeroes, we can create that right. That is your argument.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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carlsbarn said:
Gee Bob.

I'm a US citizen. I freely and without duress enter into agreement with the government to tax my income in order to fund projects which benefit not only myself but the greater good as a whole.

There, it's in writing. There's more of us than there are of you.

If government is spending my money to help a vulnerable population I'll pay double. Shit Bob, I'll pay your share just to not hear you whine.
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You should be free to cooperate with other people that share your ideas about how to help people.

The question is, should you be free to use force and involuntary means to make people who are otherwise peaceful, but don't share your ideas pay for your ideas? If you are, are other people free to do that too? If so, how does that not result in a society based in force rather than voluntary cooperation and respect for others ?

When you say "there's more of us than you" , that's not an argument. It sounds more like a threat. You can't vote a thing which is wrong to become right. I'm sad that you abandon using peaceful means and opt to use rapist tactics to get your way.

I have no obligation, hence no share to be paid, for things which violate others rights. So please don't pay to force your ideas on other people on my behalf. I would whine more then.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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hanimmal said:
But keep up the 'good' work that rich people have tricked/paid you to post that is all bullshit and old world thinking that was around when the economy was able to be crashed at will by rich white guys looking to vacuum up all the wealth that others worked hard to build by bankrupting their towns/cities/nations.
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So in this instance you are against "rich people" using government force, cronyistic laws etc. That's good that you are against that. Presumably the reason you are against that is because it removes choices for people and creates a circumstance where people have less rightful freedom and opportunity etc.

Then, before your lips stop moving, you cheer on the same thing you claim to be against, forcing people into ideas and situations they prefer not to be in., by claiming forcible redistribution is the same thing as charity.

Your argument is inconsistent.

Rich people haven't tricked me into doing anything. I'm against cronyism AND forcible redistribution. You are confused and have possibly wet your pants. Quick, make somebody pay for new pants for you!
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rob Roy said:
So in this instance you are against "rich people" using government force, cronyistic laws etc. That's good that you are against that. Presumably the reason you are against that is because it removes choices for people and creates a circumstance where people have less rightful freedom and opportunity etc.

Then, before your lips stop moving, you cheer on the same thing you claim to be against, forcing people into ideas and situations they prefer not to be in., by claiming forcible redistribution is the same thing as charity.

Your argument is inconsistent.

Rich people haven't tricked me into doing anything. I'm against cronyism AND forcible redistribution. You are confused and have possibly wet your pants. Quick, make somebody pay for new pants for you!
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Nope, I am against 'rich people' paying trolls to spread propaganda about failed economic theories that keep them from having to use their wealth to help the people who work so they can maintain their wealth for the last 50 years or so.

The only thing inconsistent is that you act like a troll and take what I have said in anyway that you can think of to troll me. It is bullshit. You haven't 'owned a lib' or whatever stupid as shit reason you troll here.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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captainmorgan said:
The pedo believes the country should live by the barter system, that includes bartering to rape children.
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Mutual and consensual exchange is rightful. Raping people or otherwise forcing your ideas on them, when they aren't forcing you is not rightful.

You should consider formulating an argument that isn't based in innuendo, is self defeating and could make people think you indulge in glue sniffing and erratic illogical and infantile thoughts.

I was being charitable to you and I hope you appreciate that.
 
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