CaliLightWorks vs Black Dog vs ???

Aolelon

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See, I have my doubts about the value of these mixed-spectrum lights. Plenty of growers here have tried it in their DIY builds, but the results I've seen don't appear to be measurably better than straight white (3000k or 3500k).
I mean if you're looking to maximize yields theres. No doubt that mixed spectrum is the way to go. I agree that you can definitely get great yields with DIY and straight cct diodes, I just feel like QBs or strips would benefit well from throwing mono diodes in there as well, and don5 be surprised if we start to see that from QBs. Stephen has already said they are playing around with it. While I wouldn't go with black dog or CLW . I think fluence and a couple other brands are definitely on the right track
 

Humple

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The video I posted they are pulling 2.1 GPW. I have yet to see a QB grow pull that
Now those are great results! But - we're talking about a growing environment that has been optimized. To say that these Fluence outperform QBs, you'd need a side-by-side run by the same crew, in ideal conditions for both lights.

I've seen 1.8g/w from QBs, and that was a brand new grower's results from their very first grow. I believe that genetics and environment are the key factors in those super high-yielding grows.
 

Aolelon

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Now those are great results! But - we're talking about a growing environment that has been optimized. To say that these Fluence outperform QBs, you'd need a side-by-side run by the same crew, in ideal conditions for both lights.

I've seen 1.8g/w from QBs, and that was a brand new grower's results from their very first grow. I believe that genetics and environment are the key factors in those super high-yielding grows.
I agree a side by side would be nice. And yes the video I posted is a finely tuned machine for sure so they definitely have their environment maxed out
 

Humple

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I mean if you're looking to maximize yields theres. No doubt that mixed spectrum is the way to go. I agree that you can definitely get great yields with DIY and straight cct diodes, I just feel like QBs or strips would benefit well from throwing mono diodes in there as well, and don5 be surprised if we start to see that from QBs. Stephen has already said they are playing around with it. While I wouldn't go with black dog or CLW . I think fluence and a couple other brands are definitely on the right track
On paper, or in a lab setting, I'd agree that targeted spectrums can make a difference. But in the real world, where there are so many variables, I'm not convinced that these fancy mixed-diode lights offer any practical benefit. We've seen over and over that raw photon output and uniformity are the most important and impactful factors in the success of a light. Adding monos might help, but getting the right amount of light to as much of the canopy as possible will do far, far more for you than reds and blues.

I'm still waiting to be impressed by ChilLED's mixed-spectrum boards. Everyone's excited by them, but no one's showing results to prove that the monos they added give them any advantage.
 

Aolelon

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Now those are great results! But - we're talking about a growing environment that has been optimized. To say that these Fluence outperform QBs, you'd need a side-by-side run by the same crew, in ideal conditions for both lights.

I've seen 1.8g/w from QBs, and that was a brand new grower's results from their very first grow. I believe that genetics and environment are the key factors in those super high-yielding grows.
Dont ger me wrong I think QBs are top of the game in their price bracket. And even higher. And I cant wait to see where they end up and what they are able to accomplish. Especially with the help of Samsung there is no doubt that they will be able to make some amazing grow lights.
 

Aolelon

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On paper, or in a lab setting, I'd agree that targeted spectrums can make a difference. But in the real world, where there are so many variables, I'm not convinced that these fancy mixed-diode lights offer any practical benefit. We've seen over and over that raw photon output and uniformity are the most important and impactful factors in the success of a light. Adding monos might help, but getting the right amount of light to as much of the canopy as possible will do far, far more for you than reds and blues.

I'm still waiting to be impressed by ChilLED's mixed-spectrum boards. Everyone's excited by them, but no one's showing results to prove that the monos they added give them any advantage.
Well they've only been out a couple weeks I thought.
 

Humple

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Well they've only been out a couple weeks I thought.
Some months, as I recall. Lokigro (from YouTube) has been running them for a while, but they don't appear to be doing any better than his COB or QB fixtures (admittedly, I haven't checked his channel recently).
 

nmibud

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I don't get too involved in all the numbers I just know what works for me.A fluence 330w is $950.I can diy for $200 .
 

Aolelon

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Well really only time will tell. As more people start to buy QBs. More people will begin to dial in and maximize yields from them and such.
 

Smokeage

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Thanks for the replies guys, I will definitely check out Fluence. I've also been watching some Growmau5 stuff to learn about LEDs and DIY and I will continue to do so even if I decide to go the PnP route.
 
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