Can anyone tell me what these spots are, two plants have different problems.

beginner.legal.growop

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Plant one:
This plant has like white dust like spots on the tips of the leaves, I do not think it is Powdery Mildew because it is not spreading to the inner leaves it is only on a few leaves, I am guessing bugs?
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Plant 2:
I think this is either Nute burn or leaf miners, I already know 2 of the plants has spider mites, and I have been spraying them with azatrol, I am going to spray again in 5 more days.
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So my question is what are these? What is going on?

Also when i am using azatrol should I use Coco-wet so the leaves absorb the organic poison so the bugs will not want to come back (I will make sure to flush for two weeks before harvest, but seeing these plants are still in veg, is it bad)
 

kermit2692

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first one is nothing its just residue of a sort....second one looks like bugs to me...could be burn but looks more like bugs!!
 

medicalmary

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Plant one:
This plant has like white dust like spots on the tips of the leaves, I do not think it is Powdery Mildew because it is not spreading to the inner leaves it is only on a few leaves, I am guessing bugs?
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Plant 2:
I think this is either Nute burn or leaf miners, I already know 2 of the plants has spider mites, and I have been spraying them with azatrol, I am going to spray again in 5 more days.
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So my question is what are these? What is going on?

Also when i am using azatrol should I use Coco-wet so the leaves absorb the organic poison so the bugs will not want to come back (I will make sure to flush for two weeks before harvest, but seeing these plants are still in veg, is it bad)
Leaf miners indoors is very unusual. I find that azadirachtin can cause leaf burn if use in higher amounts and the plants are exposed to an extreme light source (sun/HID lamp) before the spray evaporates. I Can't tell from the photos, but if the spots are silvery with little specs of blackness around them, then they are thrips. Thrips are fast winged (adult) cutting insects that are present above and below leaves. They scatter when the plants are held and they are a couple of milimeters long and white/green/clear. They pupate in the soil and can be taken care of with cedar oil in the soil. Also, of note is azadirachtin doesn't kill spider mites in my opinion. I have tried many things to get rid of them and azamax/trol doesn't work. It somewhat disrupts their population for a week, but can't be really used late into flower as spraying maturing buds may cause rot. The best way is to get a state pesticide applicators license and use a controlled pesticide that actually works. Or really make sure you have the population knocked down before you go into flower. Spider mites can take over a garden in under 2 weeks and it is not pretty.

mm
 

beginner.legal.growop

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Leaf miners indoors is very unusual. I find that azadirachtin can cause leaf burn if use in higher amounts and the plants are exposed to an extreme light source (sun/HID lamp) before the spray evaporates. I Can't tell from the photos, but if the spots are silvery with little specs of blackness around them, then they are thrips. Thrips are fast winged (adult) cutting insects that are present above and below leaves. They scatter when the plants are held and they are a couple of milimeters long and white/green/clear. They pupate in the soil and can be taken care of with cedar oil in the soil. Also, of note is azadirachtin doesn't kill spider mites in my opinion. I have tried many things to get rid of them and azamax/trol doesn't work. It somewhat disrupts their population for a week, but can't be really used late into flower as spraying maturing buds may cause rot. The best way is to get a state pesticide applicators license and use a controlled pesticide that actually works. Or really make sure you have the population knocked down before you go into flower. Spider mites can take over a garden in under 2 weeks and it is not pretty.

mm
But did you ever try using Azatrol with COCO-Wet? Basically the coco-wet allowsthe plants wax like leaves to absorb whatever you are spraying on it, whether that is nutrients or insecticide.

SO basically if any insect takes a bite out of your plant, it is basically like they have taken a bite of some organic poison...

I have read countless threads where people have said azatrol is not effective unless you; #1 spray every 6 days for a month, or #2 mix it with a wetting agent and spray onces every 6 days twice...

Please let me know if you have heard this.

I have also lately been seeing black gnats that like to hide out in the new growth of my plants, I am guessing these are fungus gnats... My backyard is full of crazy shit because of my neighbors dirty ass diseased trees that she just cut, which all the leaves came into my back yard and now all of these wierd ass creatures are on my plants. Including a almost microscopic striped grasshopper that I could only see with my 30x jewelers loop... I killed it... but after finding NOTHING about it online, I believe I may have just killed an unknown creature!!!!!

sneak up on the plants and check under the leaf lol
I will be sure to go all steve erwin on my plants!

"Wait fooorrr itttt, wait foooooorrr iiiiittttt, GOOOOO!!!"
"Alright mate, we have just caughten the legendary blue winged marijuana thrip, indigenous to California's immense valleys!"
"HOLY, WATCH-OUT MATE!!! SUPER MITES!!!"
 

medicalmary

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But did you ever try using Azatrol with COCO-Wet? Basically the coco-wet allowsthe plants wax like leaves to absorb whatever you are spraying on it, whether that is nutrients or insecticide.

SO basically if any insect takes a bite out of your plant, it is basically like they have taken a bite of some organic poison...

I have read countless threads where people have said azatrol is not effective unless you; #1 spray every 6 days for a month, or #2 mix it with a wetting agent and spray onces every 6 days twice...

Please let me know if you have heard this.

I have also lately been seeing black gnats that like to hide out in the new growth of my plants, I am guessing these are fungus gnats... My backyard is full of crazy shit because of my neighbors dirty ass diseased trees that she just cut, which all the leaves came into my back yard and now all of these wierd ass creatures are on my plants. Including a almost microscopic striped grasshopper that I could only see with my 30x jewelers loop... I killed it... but after finding NOTHING about it online, I believe I may have just killed an unknown creature!!!!!



I will be sure to go all steve erwin on my plants!

"Wait fooorrr itttt, wait foooooorrr iiiiittttt, GOOOOO!!!"
"Alright mate, we have just caughten the legendary blue winged marijuana thrip, indigenous to California's immense valleys!"
"HOLY, WATCH-OUT MATE!!! SUPER MITES!!!"
A wetting agent is a given. Sorry, I thought you were using one. The only way to really effectively cover a plant with insecticide is with a wetting agent. you don't necessary have to go out an buy one though. Dish soap is pretty much the same as any wetting agent. A dish soap with a slightly high pH will work just as well. however, a wetting agent will run you like $5 a bottle so just go out and get one that will not kill micros for your soils sake.

mm
 

beginner.legal.growop

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A wetting agent is a given. Sorry, I thought you were using one. The only way to really effectively cover a plant with insecticide is with a wetting agent. you don't necessary have to go out an buy one though. Dish soap is pretty much the same as any wetting agent. A dish soap with a slightly high pH will work just as well. however, a wetting agent will run you like $5 a bottle so just go out and get one that will not kill micros for your soils sake.

mm
I already have a 8 oz bottle of coco-wet. I just sprayed it again for the second time. I think they are coming from the tree next door so I am not sure if it is even gonna matter... but we will see.
 

medicalmary

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Azadiractin once a week at high levels with kill most anything except spidermites pretty much in all stages, pupating thrips, leaf miners, fungus gnats, etc. Azatrol does kill late stage insects on contact and slightly through feeding on foliage. It does not soak into foliage like some insecticides. The words you are looking for on the msds is systemic and translaminar. Systemic means the plant internalizes the insecticide and moves the insecticide in its system to a degree (also, it lasts a longer time in the plant weeks instead of days). Translaminar means that if you don't get full coverage of your plant (like say the bottom of the leaves) the active ingredient can move within the plant to the other side of the leaf.

The reason you are spraying azamax every 6 days is because what every bugs you got are creating a new generation in about that time. And azatrol will not kill spidermite eggs, again fungus gnats and thrips pupate i the soil. So you are missing bugs that will be there later and will reproduce.

mm
 

lahadaextranjera

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One of the leaves has just got damaged at the side of the pot, some other leaves have been splashed with nute solution or something, perhaps this spray. Others slightly def.

YOu need to spray at 3 day intervals to catch the hatching eggs - 5 days is too long for Spider mites intervals.
 

medicalmary

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One of the leaves has just got damaged at the side of the pot, some other leaves have been splashed with nute solution or something, perhaps this spray. Others slightly def.

YOu need to spray at 3 day intervals to catch the hatching eggs - 5 days is too long for Spider mites intervals.

I found that Azamax every three days will cause defoliation and stunting of plants. It is the same with neem oil. You end do as much damage as the spidermites will do by spraying at short intervals. Can't really spray in late flower or you chance powdery mildew and different kinds of bud rot. Try to see if you can get your hands on some heavy hitting products for the spider mites like avid or floromite, etc.

mm
 

beginner.legal.growop

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If you spray azatrol before harvest you will see your nugs turning brown within a few days.

I am not going to spray them anymore... I feel like if I spray once every week and then stop when the flowering starts, I will be fine. Last year I had spider mites at harvest but I didnt really see em when the bud was drying all I saw was maybe 1 web on each bud...

I feel like whatever spider mites are in my back yard are already being kept low in population. I have been seeing a lot of lady bugs and lion aphids around my plants. I feel like if i spray anymore I might kill the only things helping the problem stay at an easy level to manage...

Fuck azatrol and azamax... (both the same thing) fucking 70 dollars a bottle for neem oil and soap...
 

lahadaextranjera

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I found that Azamax every three days will cause defoliation and stunting of plants. It is the same with neem oil. You end do as much damage as the spidermites will do by spraying at short intervals. Can't really spray in late flower or you chance powdery mildew and different kinds of bud rot. Try to see if you can get your hands on some heavy hitting products for the spider mites like avid or floromite, etc.

mm


Neem oil is also a fungistat so it can be used on powdery mildew !!!! It comes from a tree in India.. I used to put it in the pet shampoo too. I make my own mix from the oil at 0.1 - 0.2% which is 1-2 ml / litre. It's so safe I can spray it all over my eczema hands (which it helps with) and I know it doesn't harm my plants. I use my hands as a sensitivity guide and I can't even touch washing up liquid.

It's never good to have to spray anything in flower but I'd rather smoke Neem that avid or floromite
 

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medicalmary

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Neem oil is also a fungistat so it can be used on powdery mildew !!!! It comes from a tree in India.. I used to put it in the pet shampoo too. I make my own mix from the oil at 0.1 - 0.2% which is 1-2 ml / litre. It's so safe I can spray it all over my eczema hands (which it helps with) and I know it doesn't harm my plants. I use my hands as a sensitivity guide and I can't even touch washing up liquid.

It's never good to have to spray anything in flower but I'd rather smoke Neem that avid or floromite
That is good and all, but the question being addressed was if I spray azamax/azatrol/neem on plants at very short intervals will it hurt my plants. The reproductive life cycle of the two spotted spider mite is very quick in indoor growing environments due to high temperature, low humidity, and no predators as well as the perfect host plant that is usually chalked full of fertilizer.

Yes, neem is very safe and it works under certain circumstance (like on outdoor vegetable gardens and on indoor houseplants not under HID lighting). I have applied thousands of gallons of diluted neem on organic farms and from the experience of being caked in it, I can safely say it is non toxic to humans at high dosages. But, yeah it smells and tastes terrible (especially if you mix it with a fermented nettle tea!).

ANYWAY, to address this issue. Neem oil is infact an oil that doesn't wash off the plants readily, as it repels water. It kills spider mites by suffocating them mainly, it also has alkaloids in it like azadirachtin (aka azamax/trol) in very small amounts. You apply said oil to the bottoms of leaves b/c this is where spider mites reside. On the bottom of plant leaves there are something called stoma. Stoma are essentially how plants "breath". Air exchange is a necessary part of transpiration and therefore photosynthesis. When you coat the stoma with oil over and over again they get clogged and the most vital process of the plant shuts down. No sugar. No Growth. And if you have a 1000 watts shining down on them, they have no way to cool down and burn. This is why as rule of thumb you never spry when HIDs are on. Also, I've seen a bulb explode because it got hit with neem.

neem is not great for powdery mildew. It is also used in combination with other remedies, which tend to work as well without the neem in my opinion. Yes, people fight foot fungus with neem. Yes, on some neem msds they do claim a mild antifungal property, but it is an insecticide. The efficacy of neem oil is no better than baking soda, which should be your base line for what works on pm or mild mold problems.

mm
 

lahadaextranjera

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That is good and all, but the question being addressed was if I spray azamax/azatrol/neem on plants at very short intervals will it hurt my plants. The reproductive life cycle of the two spotted spider mite is very quick in indoor growing environments due to high temperature, low humidity, and no predators as well as the perfect host plant that is usually chalked full of fertilizer.

Yes, neem is very safe and it works under certain circumstance (like on outdoor vegetable gardens and on indoor houseplants not under HID lighting). I have applied thousands of gallons of diluted neem on organic farms and from the experience of being caked in it, I can safely say it is non toxic to humans at high dosages. But, yeah it smells and tastes terrible (especially if you mix it with a fermented nettle tea!).

ANYWAY, to address this issue. Neem oil is infact an oil that doesn't wash off the plants readily, as it repels water. It kills spider mites by suffocating them mainly, it also has alkaloids in it like azadirachtin (aka azamax/trol) in very small amounts. You apply said oil to the bottoms of leaves b/c this is where spider mites reside. On the bottom of plant leaves there are something called stoma. Stoma are essentially how plants "breath". Air exchange is a necessary part of transpiration and therefore photosynthesis. When you coat the stoma with oil over and over again they get clogged and the most vital process of the plant shuts down. No sugar. No Growth. And if you have a 1000 watts shining down on them, they have no way to cool down and burn. This is why as rule of thumb you never spry when HIDs are on. Also, I've seen a bulb explode because it got hit with neem.

neem is not great for powdery mildew. It is also used in combination with other remedies, which tend to work as well without the neem in my opinion. Yes, people fight foot fungus with neem. Yes, on some neem msds they do claim a mild antifungal property, but it is an insecticide. The efficacy of neem oil is no better than baking soda, which should be your base line for what works on pm or mild mold problems.

mm

No it does not kill by suffocation, it effects their central nervous systems. They are beyond confused not low on air !!!
If ur leaves are clogged maybe use a much lighter mix and don't forget to use a small drop of bio washing soap to cut it as oil and water don't mix


Extracted from a Neem website:-
Some gardeners question the usefulness of neem insecticide.
They sprayed neem oil, and did not see an immediate effect. They probably did not understand how neem oil affects insects.
Neem oil does work, but the way it works is different from other insecticides. Neem is not an instant, knock down, kill everything pesticide.
Neem oil affects insects in many different, ingenious and subtle ways.
How neem oil messes with the insects' brains and bodies

Neem oil has many complex active ingredients. Rather than being simple poisons, those ingredients are similar to the hormones that insects produce. Insects take up the neem oil ingredients just like natural hormones.
Neem enters the system and blocks the real hormones from working properly. Insects "forget" to eat, to mate, or they stop laying eggs. Some forget that they can fly. If eggs are produced they don't hatch, or the larvae don't moult.
Obviously insects that are too confused to eat or breed will not survive. The population eventually plummets, and they disappear. The cycle is broken.
How precisely it works is difficult for scientists to find out. There are too many different active substances in neem oil, and every insect species reacts differently to neem insecticide.
Neem oil does not hurt beneficial insects. Only chewing and sucking insects are affected. It is certainly fascinating.
Like real hormones, neem oil insecticide works at very low concentrations, in the parts per million range. A little neem oil goes a long way.
But this is not something that happens over night. People spray neem oil as insecticide, and expect everything to die instantly, because that's what they are used to from chemical poisons. When that does not happen they conclude neem insecticide does not work.
It does work! Give it time to work. It's a much smarter way to deal with insect pests than to just kill everything.



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dannyboy602

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first pic shows salt residue from spraying something with a salt base, like fertilizer or even plain water will leave a little calcium. not a proble.
second and subsequent pix show what i believe to be a little tip burn. and that can be from a number of things. when determining overall plant health look at the new growth. the plant can survive a few lost lower leaves but if the new growth has problems it's a different ball game all together. i think your plant looks good and you're just a little overprotective. and that's normal too:)
 

beginner.legal.growop

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My plants look magnificent, I am just the kind of person who wants there plants to always be a lush green and very bushy, I feed them a 4/5 dose of fox farm each day usually (until flower then every other day).

None of them are burned except one, the other just had that residue. And the one that is burned it is on three of the inner leaves so no big deal.
 
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