Can i have some advice please?

put your hand under the light, adjust the hangers just so you can feel the heat on your hand.
read as much as you can on growing mediums and soil and stuff with horticulture if you truly want the best results.
 

hydrogreen65

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All depends on what type of reflector you have.
If it's aircooled you can go lower. It's also dependent on how wide of space you have. I would go low as I could and still keep a decent ft print to cover all plants.
 

jcommerce

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Get a laser temp gun. One of the best, and most reasonably priced, purchases I've made in the last 10 yrs of growing. When I gun my leaves and they are in the mid 70s (high 70s if I'm using CO2), then I know all is golden. I can vouch for the Raytek model that's about $50 on Amazon. There are some very highly rated ones for $25ish on Amazon as well. They rock!
 

little butch

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Jcom has the idel answer, but if you are poor, ideal isn't always possible. With six hundred, I would say from personal experience....no closer than a foot and a half without a way to check canopy temps. Peace and be kind.
 

ThorGanjason

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Yeah, I heard a guy that owned a grow shop once say "not enough light is NEVER a problem. Too much light is ALWAYS a problem".

I wouldn't necessarily say I agree with him; he said to raise your lights as high as they would go, and keep them there. Even if its like 5 feet. Having your light too high can cause stretch, airy buds, and just a lack of yield in general.

There's a graph somewhere on here that shows the closest you should keep your lights, for each wattage bulb. I think it says 18" for a 1000 watt and like 14" for a 600 watt.

The hand trick works great, just stick the back of your hand under the light at canopy level and leave it there for 60 seconds. If it starts to burn, then you know it'll cause problems.

Personally I keep my 1000w about 30" away at the beginning of flower, and try to keep my shortest plants right under it. I've had problems before, where I put my plants in the flower tent under the 1000w and the tops wind up all getting real yellow, and sometimes taco-ing up on me. I'm pretty sure that was happening from too much light, so I moved it up from 18" to about 24, now i start at 30 and bring it closer as it gets closwr to harvest, like an inch a week so its closer to 20" by the time they finish.
 

exodus0408

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12inch for a 6 with a dutch barn reflector in aircooled and its as close as u can by judging imo I can get to 3-4inch in winter in uk summer say 6inch at most best bit of kit I brought in along time and foot print is nt a problem for me as I use 4x600s and unless yr shoving 5 or more plants under 1 light which is imo over kill for 1x600 unless growin in sog style formations!!
Chedz
 

Prince Albert

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Cobnobuler

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Yeah, I heard a guy that owned a grow shop once say "not enough light is NEVER a problem. Too much light is ALWAYS a problem".

I wouldn't necessarily say I agree with him; he said to raise your lights as high as they would go, and keep them there. Even if its like 5 feet..
Agree...? What this is is nothing but complete bullshit.
 

jcommerce

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Keep in mind, this chart is foot candles, but it gives a pretty good range IMO of distances based on wattage. Of course there are tons of factors it does not address (i.e. air cooled hoods, type of reflector, AC in room?, ventilation and fan placement, etc.) The plants always let you know right away.

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banks dank

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Op keep in mind there are some bare bulb verticle grows that have 1000w lamps very very close to them...

No need for a temp gun just do the hand trick like everyone said...

I put my lights as close as I can as long as my temps remain comfortable.
 

althor

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Yeah, I heard a guy that owned a grow shop once say "not enough light is NEVER a problem. Too much light is ALWAYS a problem".

I wouldn't necessarily say I agree with him; he said to raise your lights as high as they would go, and keep them there. Even if its like 5 feet. Having your light too high can cause stretch, airy buds, and just a lack of yield in general.

There's a graph somewhere on here that shows the closest you should keep your lights, for each wattage bulb. I think it says 18" for a 1000 watt and like 14" for a 600 watt.

The hand trick works great, just stick the back of your hand under the light at canopy level and leave it there for 60 seconds. If it starts to burn, then you know it'll cause problems.

Personally I keep my 1000w about 30" away at the beginning of flower, and try to keep my shortest plants right under it. I've had problems before, where I put my plants in the flower tent under the 1000w and the tops wind up all getting real yellow, and sometimes taco-ing up on me. I'm pretty sure that was happening from too much light, so I moved it up from 18" to about 24, now i start at 30 and bring it closer as it gets closwr to harvest, like an inch a week so its closer to 20" by the time they finish.

Which is why he is busy selling grow equipment instead of growing....
 

althor

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I think 15-30-15 would be fine. That is the same as miracle gro bloom nutrients, which works well enough.
 

dannyboy602

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i like the temp gun idea. is it necessary, no. but its still a cool toy to have. i let the canopy grow pretty close but i have light rails to move the lights so leaves never get too exposed.
 

Phenom85

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I did the hand trick and wasn't hot at all at about 7" above plants with 600 hps and ended up bleaching the tops of my plants. Something about the rays or some shit. Now it's about 14" above and the yellowing hasn't got worse so hopefully fixed problem
 

jcommerce

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If your grow is big enough, it's not always feasible to get your hand over certain areas of the canopy. With my gun, I can aim the laser from across the room and know exactly what temperature the leaves are. I also have several thermostat "outdoor" probes hanging at various places just above and within the canopy so I can know what the highs and lows were when I wasn't around.
 

Cobnobuler

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I've been fooled by the hand over the canopy trick myself a time or 2. Depending on the light power sometimes what doesnt feel uncomfortably hot to the hand can still manage to scorch the very tops some. This I learned from firsthand experience.
Kinda sucks when that happens but its not the end of the world either. Just back em off a little bit more like you've already done.
 

budleydoright

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18-24" has been the sweet spot for me w/600s, 30-36" with 1ks. It's not how much you can hit them with, it's how much coverage you get from your bulb. You should raise your bulb until you find the sweet spot of your reflector, ie where it has the most uniform coverage and intensity over it's given space. Keeping it as close as possible is the cause of many problems in indoor grows. It's likely responsable for a good percentage of the sales of plant supplements!

Most of us are using proven methods and products. When things aren't working it's likely your environment.
 
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