Can I Take Clones from Clones Several Times?

GanjaEnthusiast

GanjaEnthusiast

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Quick question, If i i take a clone from a plant before i flower it, and repeat this process over and over with the same plant, will the plant eventually be the same thing, or will it degrade?

:bigjoint::bigjoint:I have taken a seed, planted it, and took a clone, i then took a clone from that clone, and a clone from that clone. I flowered all these clones, and they all seem the same, however i bought feminized seeds, and after the 3rd time i did this process, the plants went skitzo and 3 leafed with twisty leafs. So can i just keep taking clones before i flower or do i NEED to have a mother plant with consistent genes.
 
sickstoner

sickstoner

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GanjaEnthusiast said:
Quick question, If i i take a clone from a plant before i flower it, and repeat this process over and over with the same plant, will the plant eventually be the same thing, or will it degrade?

:bigjoint::bigjoint:I have taken a seed, planted it, and took a clone, i then took a clone from that clone, and a clone from that clone. I flowered all these clones, and they all seem the same, however i bought feminized seeds, and after the 3rd time i did this process, the plants went skitzo and 3 leafed with twisty leafs. So can i just keep taking clones before i flower or do i NEED to have a mother plant with consistent genes.
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.Same plant 100% same genes same thc level same everything.:bigjoint:
 
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Stonefish

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GanjaEnthusiast said:
Quick question, If i i take a clone from a plant before i flower it, and repeat this process over and over with the same plant, will the plant eventually be the same thing, or will it degrade?

:bigjoint::bigjoint:I have taken a seed, planted it, and took a clone, i then took a clone from that clone, and a clone from that clone. I flowered all these clones, and they all seem the same, however i bought feminized seeds, and after the 3rd time i did this process, the plants went skitzo and 3 leafed with twisty leafs. So can i just keep taking clones before i flower or do i NEED to have a mother plant with consistent genes.
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IMHO - I would find one mother plant and KEEP her a mother as long as possible in lieu of "cloning clones". Many of the strains on the market these days have a few different phenos, and I think what you are seeing is a degrading of the desirable phenos that you are looking for.
Also, look for a strain that has been around awhile - IOW not one that is a recent cross.
 
HomeGrownHairy

HomeGrownHairy

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This is an old thread but this should get it going again:

Stolen fron clodhopper at Grass City:

Potency is genetic. It can be affected marginally by growing/ enviromental conditions. If you take a head wringing jack herrer clone and grow it in the shade with high levels of nitrogen which inhibits resin production, the result will be inferior to that same clone grown under optimum conditions. That same herrer clone grown at 5ooo feet on the equator is going to be twice as potent as the same clone grown in Njersey. The clone has the same capacity for potency at both lattitudes but the intensity of the equatorial sun is going to force the herrer clone to produce every single resin gland its genetics can muster in an effort to protect it from the blazing sun. In NJ, not so much.

The 3rd generation:

When working with strains that demonstrate genetic abnormalites, it becomes clear that cloning does have some genetic impact. For example, the blueberry strain has serious hermaphrodite tendencies and Dj's, Dp's and any other true strain throws out lots of male flowers. The strain also has significant growth deformities such as varigation, crumpled leaf deformities and branching irregularities. Blueberry lovers know that these abnormalities disappear in the 3rd generation of clones and bb growers keep the 3rd as a mother. I have a 3rd generation bb mother that has no abnormalities but it came from a real freak that had serious leaf deformities.

With many many strains, vigor and consitent growth is enhanced in the 3rd generation. Experienced breeders and growers will move quickly to get that 3rd generation clone.

Finally, over generations of cloning, genetic stabilty begins to suffer and potency and vigor can suffer. A back cross to the original strain can fix the problem, but if unaddressed you get a plant that barely grows. Igrew out Train wreck and it displayed typical clone genetic deterioration: Its stems were weak and it lacked vigor.
 
Goldowitz

Goldowitz

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HomeGrownHairy said:
This is an old thread but this should get it going again:

Stolen fron clodhopper at Grass City:

Potency is genetic. It can be affected marginally by growing/ enviromental conditions. If you take a head wringing jack herrer clone and grow it in the shade with high levels of nitrogen which inhibits resin production, the result will be inferior to that same clone grown under optimum conditions. That same herrer clone grown at 5ooo feet on the equator is going to be twice as potent as the same clone grown in Njersey. The clone has the same capacity for potency at both lattitudes but the intensity of the equatorial sun is going to force the herrer clone to produce every single resin gland its genetics can muster in an effort to protect it from the blazing sun. In NJ, not so much.

The 3rd generation:

When working with strains that demonstrate genetic abnormalites, it becomes clear that cloning does have some genetic impact. For example, the blueberry strain has serious hermaphrodite tendencies and Dj's, Dp's and any other true strain throws out lots of male flowers. The strain also has significant growth deformities such as varigation, crumpled leaf deformities and branching irregularities. Blueberry lovers know that these abnormalities disappear in the 3rd generation of clones and bb growers keep the 3rd as a mother. I have a 3rd generation bb mother that has no abnormalities but it came from a real freak that had serious leaf deformities.

With many many strains, vigor and consitent growth is enhanced in the 3rd generation. Experienced breeders and growers will move quickly to get that 3rd generation clone.

Finally, over generations of cloning, genetic stabilty begins to suffer and potency and vigor can suffer. A back cross to the original strain can fix the problem, but if unaddressed you get a plant that barely grows. Igrew out Train wreck and it displayed typical clone genetic deterioration: Its stems were weak and it lacked vigor.
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I am happy to know that this is something that has been documented and that I am not the only one. This was very noticeable with the NL, AK and WW that I grew. The biggest was the WW, she went through a major change for the better. The seed plant only gave me a single good rooted clone that went on to give me second gen plants that were much better, but nothing like the third gen. Now clones root 99% of the time.:eyesmoke:

It sucks knowing that when I start a new strain, I will have to get to the third gen as quick as I can before everything is the way I want it to be.
 
My420

My420

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HomeGrownHairy said:
This is an old thread but this should get it going again:

Stolen fron clodhopper at Grass City:

Potency is genetic. It can be affected marginally by growing/ enviromental conditions. If you take a head wringing jack herrer clone and grow it in the shade with high levels of nitrogen which inhibits resin production, the result will be inferior to that same clone grown under optimum conditions. That same herrer clone grown at 5ooo feet on the equator is going to be twice as potent as the same clone grown in Njersey. The clone has the same capacity for potency at both lattitudes but the intensity of the equatorial sun is going to force the herrer clone to produce every single resin gland its genetics can muster in an effort to protect it from the blazing sun. In NJ, not so much.

The 3rd generation:

When working with strains that demonstrate genetic abnormalites, it becomes clear that cloning does have some genetic impact. For example, the blueberry strain has serious hermaphrodite tendencies and Dj's, Dp's and any other true strain throws out lots of male flowers. The strain also has significant growth deformities such as varigation, crumpled leaf deformities and branching irregularities. Blueberry lovers know that these abnormalities disappear in the 3rd generation of clones and bb growers keep the 3rd as a mother. I have a 3rd generation bb mother that has no abnormalities but it came from a real freak that had serious leaf deformities.

With many many strains, vigor and consitent growth is enhanced in the 3rd generation. Experienced breeders and growers will move quickly to get that 3rd generation clone.

Finally, over generations of cloning, genetic stabilty begins to suffer and potency and vigor can suffer. A back cross to the original strain can fix the problem, but if unaddressed you get a plant that barely grows. Igrew out Train wreck and it displayed typical clone genetic deterioration: Its stems were weak and it lacked vigor.
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Very good info... thanks.
 
johanngraham

johanngraham

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Look, I once grew about 30 little plants over a year or so just from one Female seeds Bubblegummer cutting. Just make sure you always have at least one under 24/24 (in my case, a CFL did perfectly fine, for just one little cutting at the time).Always the same product.
 
johanngraham

johanngraham

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Oh and I always took the top of the plant for a cutting. That is, there was the 1st plant (the one that sprouted), I took the top, let the rest to flower, and waited for the cutting to root, then i let her grow for a while, took cuttings and let flower, and so on. I only took about 1-3 cuttings at the time, but with more space, one could make as many as wanted.
 
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LibT

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HomeGrownHairy said:
... With many many strains, vigor and consitent growth is enhanced in the 3rd generation. Experienced breeders and growers will move quickly to get that 3rd generation clone.

Finally, over generations of cloning, genetic stabilty begins to suffer and potency and vigor can suffer. A back cross to the original strain can fix the problem, but if unaddressed you get a plant that barely grows. I grew out Train wreck and it displayed typical clone genetic deterioration: Its stems were weak and it lacked vigor.
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So how long or how many clone generations before deterioration is noticeable? Does very short veg (say 2 weeks then clone top, and flower) make any difference other than getting to gen 25 in about a year
 
70's natureboy

70's natureboy

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I cloned a clone from a clone from 1987 - 2003, 5 or 6 times a year. Anybody remember Beatrix? It was always kick ass until 2000 when I had to go on a long vacation. I left the clones with a friend for a few generations and they were never the same after that. I don't know if they would have degraded like that or not if I would have kept them under my care. The internet says it can't be done and that's usually the general response.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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70's natureboy said:
I cloned a clone from a clone from 1987 - 2003, 5 or 6 times a year. Anybody remember Beatrix? It was always kick ass until 2000 when I had to go on a long vacation. I left the clones with a friend for a few generations and they were never the same after that. I don't know if they would have degraded like that or not if I would have kept them under my care. The internet says it can't be done and that's usually the general response.
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Probably let them go into flower for a few days and then cut clones. I did this several times to a grape god clone I ran for three years and it slowly lost vigor and just didn't produce the same resin wise, still had that wonderful taste though.
 
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