CAN U CLONE IN EARLY FLOWERING

Thank you bro I truly got the jist of things now very well put and that's what I wanted to know in saying that how long did it take till vigorous growth happen so overall would u advise against it because I work 10 hrs a day so time is a issue hQUOTE="GreenhouseGreen, post: 16661055, member: 1052443"]
I've done it. It lowered my success rate, was a slower starter, and was all around odd. You'll have useless flowers earlier on followed by reveg leaves. Eventually you'll be off to the races but with a completely different plant structure as far a node spacing and stem length/size. All the stems seemed to come out of this cluster for the most part.

I did it with two plants with similar results. Clones of these odd-ball plants looked like the originals I had before monster-cropping.

In the end I had mixed feelings about doing it but the extra time required to get to vigorous growth wasn't worth it to me.

If I remember correctly, @Renfro would intentionally do this for the growth it gives.

Edit: now that I think about it, I've done it more than twice but, most of them were scrapped after rooting because they were practice.
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Yes

Southernontariogrower said:

Yes

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nice would do u do it often and is it time consuming brother

2TOK3R said:

nice would do u do it often and is it time consuming brother

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So time consuming and often is it for the more experienced grower

I just did a side-by-side in an aero cloner. I didn't watch which had roots first but after 3 weeks they all did. The difference between the two is that the ones from the mother plant had roots all along the stem, the ones that were cut 3 weeks into 12/12 only have roots from the cut end, but the roots were longer than the others.

GreenhouseGreen said:

I've done it. It lowered my success rate, was a slower starter, and was all around odd. You'll have useless flowers earlier on followed by reveg leaves. Eventually you'll be off to the races but with a completely different plant structure as far a node spacing and stem length/size. All the stems seemed to come out of this cluster for the most part.

I did it with two plants with similar results. Clones of these odd-ball plants looked like the originals I had before monster-cropping.

In the end I had mixed feelings about doing it but the extra time required to get to vigorous growth wasn't worth it to me.

If I remember correctly, @Renfro would intentionally do this for the growth it gives.

Edit: now that I think about it, I've done it more than twice but, most of them were scrapped after rooting because they were practice.

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Here's Ren's newest harvest of Pancakes. He's supposed to send me some and some live rosin. Fingers crossed, lol.

PadawanWarrior said:

Here's Ren's newest harvest of Pancakes. He's supposed to send me some and some live rosin. Fingers crossed, lol.

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That's awesome. I'm glad he keeps in touch with some people here. A lot of the bookmarked posts I have are from him. I don't think I ever directly interacted with him, though.

2TOK3R said:

Thank you bro I truly got the jist of things now very well put and that's what I wanted to know in saying that how long did it take till vigorous growth happen so overall would u advise against it because I work 10 hrs a day so time is a issue hQUOTE="GreenhouseGreen, post: 16661055, member: 1052443"]
I've done it. It lowered my success rate, was a slower starter, and was all around odd. You'll have useless flowers earlier on followed by reveg leaves. Eventually you'll be off to the races but with a completely different plant structure as far a node spacing and stem length/size. All the stems seemed to come out of this cluster for the most part.

I did it with two plants with similar results. Clones of these odd-ball plants looked like the originals I had before monster-cropping.

In the end I had mixed feelings about doing it but the extra time required to get to vigorous growth wasn't worth it to me.

If I remember correctly, @Renfro would intentionally do this for the growth it gives.

Edit: now that I think about it, I've done it more than twice but, most of them were scrapped after rooting because they were practice.

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It's not so much time consuming in the sense that it would matter how many hours you work a day. It's time consuming in a sense that you'll have a longer period between taking a cut and flipping to 12/12.

For some that may not matter at all. For me at the time cloning/vegging in a closet to flower in my greenhouse while not keeping any mothers, it mattered. Totally situation dependent. If I remember correctly it doubled pretty much everything time wise. ~20 days to root vs. ~10. ~12 weeks before ready for my greenhouse vs. ~6. Maybe I just did it wrong or something. Overall I didn't like it. It sat there with round leaves for weeks before developing clusters and later growing proper leaves.

The branches and buds were impressively consistent and I didn't have to top or supercrop but, trying to keep my plant count in check would be hard using that method.

Your experience may vary. As far as recommendation, I say try it but, don't count on it if you can help it. Just do it as a personal experiment.

You can clone a bud its called monstercropping l believe, they take a bit to root and grow up but are worth it. Heres one that was clone taken week 3 or 4 if l remember right.

Depending on how you grow, I would have to say the time lost while re-vegging an already matured flowering clone is made up for by giving you a really bushy (slightly mutated temporarily) plant that would do well under a scrog net right from the start.

Think of how much fimming\topping and throwing away plant matter it takes to get an even screen of green with an immature plant from clone or seed. The extra time you had to veg\train it is cut away and tossed into a pile anyway if you consider time as plant matter.

IMO "monster super cropped" clones are the way to go, especially if you like growing large 1-2 lb plants with scrog nets. I actually prefer to clone a few weeks into flower.

You might as well get a good head start, and air layer you some nice huge clones right away (I've cloned 3 ft tall & wide branches, with 1/2" + stalks this way). Your rooting success rate will drastically increase by "air layering", not to mention cut down on the time it takes to root. No need to take cuttings when you clone plants this way, as they stay attached to the mother until they are rooted.

Either way, the longer you wait while the plant is under a 12/12 photo period, the more chance your going to have a monster crop clone. That's a good thing IMO, as a bush is far more able to utilize indoor lighting then a tall lanky plant is.

Short answer: Yes

go go kid said:

well ive never tried it myself, you learn something new every day. ill remember this for my next grow if it becomes an issue. but i take clones in growth as A rule

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Then why are you dispensing advice if you don't know?

get a grip, i was learning

go go kid said:

get a grip, i was learning

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No, you were offering shit advice when you didn't know wtf you were talking about.

Jimmy Slade said:

No, you were offering shit advice when you didn't know wtf you were talking about.

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He thought one thing, was presented with another, and then became interested in understanding. Save your callouts for people who deserve them.

I clone while they are still in veg, and monstercrop if I need to as a backup plan. Monstercropped clones make good moms, but I don't care to flower them because there are way too many branches and shoots and you usually end up with a lot of larf / popcorn buds.

It's not hard though. I did it during my first grow. You just have to be patient.

lusidghost said:

He thought one thing, was presented with another, and then became interested in understanding. Save your callouts for people who deserve them.

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If somebody posts a question to the forum that I don't know the answer to, guess what I do. I don't respond!

I know, I know - it's a crazy concept. Mind blowing.

Jimmy Slade said:

If somebody posts a question to the forum that I don't know the answer to, guess what I do. I don't respond!

I know, I know - it's a crazy concept. Mind blowing.

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Yeah well, Rumsfeld agrees / disagrees.

What I found is if I clone the plants before flowering I haveanother tent of plants that need a considerable amount of attention/expense after 3/4 weeks of growth.

Say I'd be growing 10 clones/plants not knowing what's worth keeping or not, I've got to maintain them until I've cut dried and tested the mothers so all in its 15/16 weeks of veg growth, expense and effort.

If I take a clones week 5/6 of flower then keep them in a1ltr pot under T5s I can then flower dry and test the mothers just as the monster clones are getting back to 100% veg, alternatively you can have them back to 100% veg in 5 weeks (after rooting) with some decent light and a bigger pot.
You get some weird growth.

And you get a different structure.


Eta... The pheno hunters dream clones

so you start to distroy a thread because someone is learning. wow, the concept of someone visiting this site and actualy learning somthing is mind blowing

Star Dog said:

What I found is if I clone the plants before flowering I haveanother tent of plants that need a considerable amount of attention/expense after 3/4 weeks of growth.

Say I'd be growing 10 clones/plants not knowing what's worth keeping or not, I've got to maintain them until I've cut dried and tested the mothers so all in its 15/16 weeks of veg growth, expense and effort.

If I take a clones week 5/6 of flower then keep them in a1ltr pot under T5s I can then flower dry and test the mothers just as the monster clones are getting back to 100% veg, alternatively you can have them back to 100% veg in 5 weeks (after rooting) with some decent light and a bigger pot.
You get some weird growth.
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And you get a different structure.
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Eta... The pheno hunters dream clones

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This is why I started bonsaing potential mothers. I stick them under a T5, water around every three days, and have an enjoyable prune session once they reach the light. They are super easy to maintain and take up barely any room.