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jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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schuylaar said:
1. while not a requirement to disclose taxes, historically, candidates do as to "be an open book with nothing to hide"..with romneys resistance he drew more attention to himself than he would of had he just done what is done historically.
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Correct, as I stated, it is not a legal requirement to become president. that's why I posted it, to make that correction,
I wasn't a Romney supporter so I'll get that out of the way.
If you want honesty, the reason Romney's taxes became an issue, was because of the press.
Go back a few elections and you will find no major stories about John Kerry and the wealth he amassed, it wasn't an issue to the press.
schuylaar said:
2.president obama has produced his birth certificate..why would this still be an issue?
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I voted for Obama the first time around, and you are right, it shouldn't have been an issue, it was something the right could use to drive a wedge between him and the voters, just like Romney's wealth.
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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jahbrudda said:
Disclosing your tax records is not a legal requirement to become president: US Constitution

Proving your you eligibility to become president with a birth certificate is: US Constitution
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Doer said:
Oh, no. Nothing in there about proof of citizenship.

Article Two, Section 1 of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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Doer, I made no such claim about "proof of citizenship"
I said proving your eligibility with a birth certificate.
 
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schuylaar

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Doer said:
No. No one has seen an original BC from the USA for Barry Sweto. But, we have seen that his mother is a US citizen, but, dual with Indonesia.

So, the gray area and quite moot at this point, since he was vetted and served as a US Senator. The issue with his mother's actual status. She may well have formally renounced her US citizenship. So, quite technically he may not have qualified and it may be a gray area, but, too late.

He is the 44th President of the United States. And we are not so stupid as to be a sticker for this. We will not un-ring this bell. And he is a world popular 2 termer and certainly an African since his father was. He has the 14 years+ of formative USA, out in the mid-west which is a main part to me. And he is opposed by normals, and by race viciousness, not since Lincoln in the Presidential choice.
So, that alone make it right to me regardless of the gray area. The Dems ran him, after Chicago knocked out Little Rock.
He won, (and no sqeekers) twice.

He is doing just fine. And I heard he doesn't like the job. It isn't kingly enough, maybe. :) He needs to join JayCee and Byonce on tour and I am sure he will. The King of the Pop World is something.

Only a bullet or life's fate can stop him now. He is an Institution already, on par with all US Presidents. He is bored and so am I.

Hillery.....??
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well there is this which imo appears original:

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have you ever held a position in which you were singled out and micro-managed for no other reason than who you are and nothing you do pleases? and the very same filibuster..i'd be pretty bored too..
there is no satisfaction when you can't accomplish what you were hired for?

what this congress has done to our president and the people of this nation is sheer travesty..how these people can live with themselves is a mystery.

i cannot seem to find anything on ann dunham renouncing her us citizenship.
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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Doer said:
No. No one has seen an original BC from the USA for Barry Sweto. But, we have seen that his mother is a US citizen, but, dual with Indonesia.

So, the gray area and quite moot at this point, since he was vetted and served as a US Senator. The issue with his mother's actual status. She may well have formally renounced her US citizenship. So, quite technically he may not have qualified and it may be a gray area, but, too late.

He is the 44th President of the United States. And we are not so stupid as to be a sticker for this. We will not un-ring this bell. And he is a world popular 2 termer and certainly an African since his father was. He has the 14 years+ of formative USA, out in the mid-west which is a main part to me. And he is opposed by normals, and by race viciousness, not since Lincoln in the Presidential choice.
So, that alone make it right to me regardless of the gray area. The Dems ran him, after Chicago knocked out Little Rock.
He won, (and no sqeekers) twice.

He is doing just fine. And I heard he doesn't like the job. It isn't kingly enough, maybe. :) He needs to join JayCee and Byonce on tour and I am sure he will. The King of the Pop World is something.

Only a bullet or life's fate can stop him now. He is an Institution already, on par with all US Presidents. He is bored and so am I.

Hillery.....??
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That is one way of looking at it and you are probably correct.
the way I see it is, if there was even a little doubt regarding his true legitimacy, the republican establishment would have exploited that gray area by now.
If I remember correctly, the democrats tried the same sort of thing with john McCain.
 
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NoDrama

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schuylaar said:
i would prefer $12.63 and feel it's very fair..big corporate needs to stop shifting their burden onto the taxpayer = republican and democrats alike..big corporate doesn't discriminate when it comes to others picking up the tab.

i figured this with echelon using his country's minimum wage then converting to usd and that's what it came to..in reality keeping with inflation we would have been around $23.

EDIT: if big corporate cannot afford to maintain a living wage for employees working a full time job..perhaps they should not be in business.
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So, you would rather make $12 an hour than $1,000 an hour? That seems awfully stupid to me.
 
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NoDrama

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kpmarine said:
Yes, on the ground of reductio ad absurdum. Do you even logical fallacy bro?
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In Zimbabwe the min wage in 2001 was $4 an hour, in 2008 it was $100,000,000,000,000 per hour.

Reductio absurdum indeed, but them is the facts.
Now tell me why $1,000 an hour is a logical fallacy. I don't think you even know what a fallacy is, because you certainly aren't using it correctly.
 
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NoDrama

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Doer said:
Oh, no. Nothing in there about proof of citizenship.

Article Two, Section 1 of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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How else do you prove it?

Proof IS required, as the constitution puts limits on WHO can be president, therefore PROOF is required. It doesn't have to say that proof is needed to have the burden imposed.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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schuylaar said:
well there is this which imo appears original:

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have you ever held a position in which you were singled out and micro-managed for no other reason than who you are and nothing you do pleases? and the very same filibuster..i'd be pretty bored too..
there is no satisfaction when you can't accomplish what you were hired for?

what this congress has done to our president and the people of this nation is sheer travesty..how these people can live with themselves is a mystery.

i cannot seem to find anything on ann dunham renouncing her us citizenship.
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you are aware the "Birther" bullshit started from hillary's camp in an attempt to get barry DQ'ed from the nomination process right?


it's HILLARY'S fault that her shabby ploy found favour with the tin foil hat club.

Barrack Hussein Obama/Barry Seotoro/Barrack Hussein Obama was born in hawaii, this is fact.

it is also fact that he was declared to be NOT A US CITIZEN to gain citizenship in Indonesia under the legal name Barry Seotoro.
it is also a fact that he has never legally changed his name back to Barrack Hussein Obama.
it is also a fact that he received "foreign student" credits and funding at Occidental
it is also a fact that in his own bio for his shitty book he claimed to have been born in kenya. (see fig 1)
it is also a fact that he has claimed variously to be the son of Barrack Obama sr, a kenyan playboy/economist, and also Frank Marshal Davis, a black marxist activist.

lies it seems, are an Obama/Dunham tradition.

Fig 1: Barry's Bio from his publisher.
 
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schuylaar

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NoDrama said:
How else do you prove it?

Proof IS required, as the constitution puts limits on WHO can be president, therefore PROOF is required. It doesn't have to say that proof is needed to have the burden imposed.
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Originally Posted by Doer
Oh, no. Nothing in there about proof of citizenship.

Article Two, Section 1 of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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this is my interpretation of the requirements based upon the above:

red - natural born citizen
blue - or a citizen of the united states
orange - you must be at least 35
green - must have lived here at least 14 years

isn't this really saying to be president you can either be:

1. born here -OR- a citizen
2. age 35
3. lived here for 14 years if not born here

it does not say anything about proof.
 
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schuylaar

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Dr Kynes said:
you are aware the "Birther" bullshit started from hillary's camp in an attempt to get barry DQ'ed from the nomination process right?


it's HILLARY'S fault that her shabby ploy found favour with the tin foil hat club.

Barrack Hussein Obama/Barry Seotoro/Barrack Hussein Obama was born in hawaii, this is fact.

it is also fact that he was declared to be NOT A US CITIZEN to gain citizenship in Indonesia under the legal name Barry Seotoro.
it is also a fact that he has never legally changed his name back to Barrack Hussein Obama.
it is also a fact that he received "foreign student" credits and funding at Occidental
it is also a fact that in his own bio for his shitty book he claimed to have been born in kenya. (see fig 1)
it is also a fact that he has claimed variously to be the son of Barrack Obama sr, a kenyan playboy/economist, and also Frank Marshal Davis, a black marxist activist.

lies it seems, are an Obama/Dunham tradition.

Fig 1: Barry's Bio from his publisher.
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on his publisher embellishing the truth..haven't you ever heard of creative license to sell books?

EDIT: i can't find any of those claims as facts kynes..where did you get them?
 
heckler73

heckler73

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Uncle Ben said:
Liberals really play that game. For example, George Soros spent millions of his own money financing Obama's campaigns. Unlike Romney who has given millions to charity, I doubt if Soros has or does. Heck, his idea of giving to charity is giving to tyrants like Obama.
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Soros started INET, which has been a good resource for heterodox economists' development.
I suspect he drizzles some funds to other classic "charities" when he's not busy trying to be intellectually philanthropic. He may have some questionable skeletons in his closet, but from watching him over the years, I believe his heart is trying to be in the right place.

Now compare his actions with those of his ex-partner in Quantum Funds, Jim Rogers. That loon is just another doom'n'gloom huckster. How much does he give to charity? He sure hasn't done anything great beyond peddling books and dubious advice on the toob.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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What this all comes down to is two groups of people. Those that believe they should be free to earn as much as they can through whatever means they can utilize, regardless of the consequences to society, and those that believe hoarding wealth harms society. They use an interesting tactic when it comes to wordplay, too. I'm certain these people would argue in favor of "free market capitalism" when its anything but, at best crony-capitalism, at worst full on corruption. Those opposed are socialists. Any regulation is socialism... except when it's to regulate against the competition. That's not free market.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
What this all comes down to is two groups of people. Those that believe they should be free to earn as much as they can through whatever means they can utilize, regardless of the consequences to society, and those that believe hoarding wealth harms society. They use an interesting tactic when it comes to wordplay, too. I'm certain these people would argue in favor of "free market capitalism" when its anything but, at best crony-capitalism, at worst full on corruption. Those opposed are socialists. Any regulation is socialism... except when it's to regulate against the competition. That's not free market.
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Yes, the world is black and white. There is no grey.
 
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NoDrama

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schuylaar said:
Originally Posted by Doer
Oh, no. Nothing in there about proof of citizenship.

Article Two, Section 1 of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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this is my interpretation of the requirements based upon the above:

red - natural born citizen
blue - or a citizen of the united states
orange - you must be at least 35
green - must have lived here at least 14 years

isn't this really saying to be president you can either be:

1. born here -OR- a citizen
2. age 35
3. lived here for 14 years if not born here

it does not say anything about proof.
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Not quite right.
It's
1. A natural citizen ( doesn't mean you HAVE To be born in the US, you could be born on a military base in another country too)
2. a citizen of the US at the time the Connie was ratified. Not just any old citizen. You can throw this rule out, since no one is alive from that time.
3. 35 years of age
4. lived here at least the previous 14 years. If you weren't born here and weren't born on a base, then you are disqualified via rule 1.

Basically you MUST be a natural born citizen as no one is alive from 1776.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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heckler73 said:
Soros started INET, which has been a good resource for heterodox economists' development.
I suspect he drizzles some funds to other classic "charities" when he's not busy trying to be intellectually philanthropic. He may have some questionable skeletons in his closet, but from watching him over the years, I believe his heart is trying to be in the right place.

Now compare his actions with those of his ex-partner in Quantum Funds, Jim Rogers. That loon is just another doom'n'gloom huckster. How much does he give to charity? He sure hasn't done anything great beyond peddling books and dubious advice on the toob.
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What's wrong with peddling books and not giving to charities?
 
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