I veg for about 96 days i like massive trees but i did have a white widow mom that i had for 6 months once i was done with her giving babies i put her into flower and within a week she turned and hermed on me threw off balls sacks everywhere had to cut her down, but all her generations of babies were fine. i think she was too old for flowering. It was odd for me, but i think some strains dislike long veg times ive had a bay dream (regular seed) left it in for 96 days by that time she was almost budding in veg she had small buds sights forming.