Cancer!?

Doer said:
WOW! That's saying we can't think for ourselves. Sound like you believe in the conspiracies. Not much truth anywhere, I'd say. Science is not a conspiracy and neither is govt. We want both, remember? Else it's witch burning an blood in the streets. Don't forget history.
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I don't know. A lot of science these days seems to involve shouting down and silencing the opposition. In particular with Global Warming. That sends alarm bells to me as I don't think that's necessary when you really legitimately have a strong argument that isn't faulty.

You're pretty much ignorant to history if you don't think things happen behind closed doors that influence world events. This is how life always operates.
 
Doer said:
Thanks for the NIH link. As for the rest, respectfully I have to say, anecdotal is not any kind of evidence. Cancer can, will and does remit spontaneously. Same for ulcers and anything else. Most Doctors will tell you that.

The placebo effect is very powerful and not even acknowledged as a primary curative. I will certainly not discount it. I used it heavily as directed intention, contemplation and visualization during my problems.

I just say what my Dr. say. Use everything at your disposal if you get cancer. But, don't mortgage your house for Purple Plate miracles.

Don't poison and or fail yourself with snake oils. By all means, eat smoke and otherwise consume cannabis everyday. But, don't put all your eggs in that basket.

It made the difference for me of sticking to it or quiting the most raw, mind boggling chemo of all. Interferon combos for Hep C. I tolerated it, barely, ate and smoked a lot of cannabis and am virus free for the last 5 years.
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You must not have read the part about the 800 peer reviewed studies.

My dog is alive because Cannabis cured a tumor she had for which there is none.

You clearly are stuck on the idea that authority figures (in particular ones who have risen the food chain) are not sociopaths and are like you. The opposite is true almost always all through history. And actions speak louder than words. Approximately 1/100 people are sociopaths. Sociopaths are attracted to power and have no regard for anyone but themselves (on any level). They often take pleasure in others pain and really just don't give a flying fuck about you on any level whatsoever (and may even crack a smile to learn something horrible happened to you, especially if they helped to cause it because it feeds their desire for power and control).

Let me ask you a question, if a treatment is known to kill more often than it cures, is it snake oil? Because this is the category radiation and most chemotherapies fall under (Lancet study).
 
mag8485 said:
I think if someone tells their story about how they cured themselves with cannabis oil, it should be taken seriously, as with any anecdote about a medicine helping someone. Its not our modern standard for evidence but it doesn't mean its not true just because no official study has been done with human cancer patients yet. Cannabis was made illegal in every country in the UN in 1961, being illegal has held back research. I just don't trust the worlds leading pharmaceutical companies have peoples health as their number one concern. I believe profits come before the patient. So when i first heard about cannabis oil curing cancer i was open minded and looked into it further, i didn't believe it first but using my judgement i felt it might be true especially as all the videos and documentary's made by people were telling people to grow it themselves and showing how to make it, no one was saying 'buy it here'. Its now been two years and after reading the studies and listening to around 30 people who have used it and are cancer free i believe it works and I would use it before any chemotherapy or radiation treatment. I am aware that cancers can remit spontaneously but i don't think its likely that all these people who have used the cannabis oil by coincidence had their tumour's remit spontaneously and the cannabinoids were not responsible even though studies show cannabinoids kill cancer cells. But everyone is free to formulate their own opinion. Everyone should be free to use whatever they want for medicine. Always good to do your own research and not take anyone's word on medicine, even good doctors have sadly prescribed medicine to people which has killed them. Its great you had success using chemo and im glad cannabis helped you through it. Lets hope a major pharma company pays for the trials and proves it is the cure. It will open the door for a huge industry, start alot of research into the best combination of cannabinoids to target different cancers and other illnesses. Different strains can be approved for different illnesses and people can buy a seed and grow their own plants at home and store cannabinoid oil for use when needed. But as i said before i think BigPharma prefers to synthetically create all the cannabinoids in the plant so they can patent them and with synthetic cannabinoids available by bigpharma, no government would be obliged to make the plant legal. Business as usual.

My friend has been taking a huge combination of anti anxiety pills, anti depressants and sleeping pills for years and they cost the tax payer an absolute fortune and he is addicted and pops twice as many as recommended. I'm gonna get him on high CBD oil which i will extract from the industrial hemp plant, CBD has shown to be anti-xiolytic and anti-depressant. I will post the results.
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It should be added that plenty of drugs were accepted by the scientific community based mostly on anecdotal evidence, most notably some old standbys like Aspirin.

I would also add you are naive if you think cannabis will ever be legal with the current crooked assholes in charge. Doctors with investments in pharmaceutical companies... former pharmaceutical company employees (who no doubt have a trust that contains all their stock options still) running regulation agencies, all kinds of conflict of interest that is both blatant and obvious.

What will happen is every cannabinoid and possibly terpene will be synthesized by the drug companies and made schedule III while the plant itself remains schedule I. The price of these drugs will be extremely high and they probably won't even be as effective as everyone has different biochemistry and cannabis plants vary tremendously and are extremely complicated chemically which makes the study of any individual compound problematic on many levels.
 
OGEvilgenius said:
You must not have read the part about the 800 peer reviewed studies.

My dog is alive because Cannabis cured a tumor she had for which there is none.

You clearly are stuck on the idea that authority figures (in particular ones who have risen the food chain) are not sociopaths and are like you. The opposite is true almost always all through history. And actions speak louder than words. Approximately 1/100 people are sociopaths. Sociopaths are attracted to power and have no regard for anyone but themselves (on any level). They often take pleasure in others pain and really just don't give a flying fuck about you on any level whatsoever (and may even crack a smile to learn something horrible happened to you, especially if they helped to cause it because it feeds their desire for power and control).

Let me ask you a question, if a treatment is known to kill more often than it cures, is it snake oil? Because this is the category radiation and most chemotherapies fall under (Lancet study).
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You don't know anything about me. And you've never had Cancer. BTW, imo, only sociopaths call the kettle black.

You are missing the point about detection. Actual Snake Oil, almond pits, shark "bones," Purple Plates, etc, don't cure anything.

And, Cannabis may cure a lot of things. The history says it does. However, the politics of allowed recreation, gets in the way currently, not the medical aspect. I want meds. That is a different question from legal, recreational drugs.

If, you like I was, are diagnosed late with a death sentence. You simply have the Jobs or he Doer option. To me the Lancet study shows how desperate we are to have better detection of early cancers, where I have no doubt cannabis can help.

It won't cure a virus. It will help you thru chemo, if you live that long. Or you can go the Steve Jobs short route. It certainly does not matter to me. So, you can knock off the personal right-fight.
 
OGEvilgenius said:
I don't know. A lot of science these days seems to involve shouting down and silencing the opposition. In particular with Global Warming. That sends alarm bells to me as I don't think that's necessary when you really legitimately have a strong argument that isn't faulty.

You're pretty much ignorant to history if you don't think things happen behind closed doors that influence world events. This is how life always operates.
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Been reading a lot about Rome and the history of the Mediterranean basin. Also, there has been a lot of new discovery that made the History Channel, and Spartacus, etc on TV.

It should be obvious, but is sat on me like a pall... what is wrong with this picture? Everything happens behind closed doors. The ways of power are arbitrary and cruel.

Ah...no law and order. No police, no court, no appeal. No effort even, for whodunit. Maybe the roots of local self rule are here in the form of a local neighborhood association, a Mafia to keep order.

Either Law and Order mostly, or bloody insurrection with cruel and unusual punishment, mostly. That to me is the simple lesson of history.
 
Steve Jobs never tried cannabis oil though. If he did i think he would still be here. Some people will never accept that cannabis is curing cancers, they dont wanna know the cure was here the whole time while they lost loved ones. People who have gone through chemo usually don't think its true, I tried to tell a woman who is terminal that she should look into cannabinoid treatment as the chemo hasnt worked and for the past two years it has just made her very sick, i cant imagine the suffering she has gone through, and not helped one bit, she didnt believe it and instead went back to her beloved oncologist for more poison. Some people just cant fathom that the pharmaceutical industry wouldn't offer a cure for cancer that anyone can make cheaply and it could replace 50% of all their other medicines (best medicine for arthritis, parkinsons, epilepsy,glaucoma, pain relief, Alzheimers-list is endless) . Even after you show them the medical literature and testimonials from people who have nothing to gain from lying they still dont believe it. I read another one today on Rick Simpsons facebook page by a woman who cured her daughter from cancer with it. Scientists at GWpharma and CannabisScience INc are working on cannabinoid cancer treatment right now, they wouldnt ruin their reputation if it was not true.
 
"Steve Jobs never tried cannabis oil though." Maybe, maybe not. The problem is no real science is allowed on Cannabis.
No large scale trials.

So, we don't know IF for every story of success there is x failures..death. We don't hear about those that shunned the chemo
for cannabis and died. No statistics. Steve didn't want the surgery even. Spoil the Temple, blah, blah.

He blew the chance repairing his ruined his meat robot was all. So as much as folks like A vs B arguments, I'm only saying it's
your life and don't shun 100 years of medical research in the west or 4000 years the east either.
 
Doer said:
"Steve Jobs never tried cannabis oil though." Maybe, maybe not. The problem is no real science is allowed on Cannabis.
No large scale trials.
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There have been over 800 studies on the subject. It's true that wide spread human trials are limited, but there have been human trials and they have shown great success. I agree that the current status of Cannabis seriously slows further research and that ought to be changed.

So, we don't know IF for every story of success there is x failures..death. We don't hear about those that shunned the chemo
for cannabis and died. No statistics. Steve didn't want the surgery even. Spoil the Temple, blah, blah.
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It's true, we don't. But we do have A LOT of success stories. And it's a non toxic drug, unlike traditional chemical therapy which kills every cell in your body (which is why more people die than are saved by it).

He blew the chance repairing his ruined his meat robot was all. So as much as folks like A vs B arguments, I'm only saying it's
your life and don't shun 100 years of medical research in the west or 4000 years the east either.
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There is a lot of good research in medicine, but there is a tonne of garbage science too. Tread carefully with anything, always.
 
Doer said:
How ridiculous. How many times have you almost died? Unless you can speak with the experience I have, you are just spreading garbage. It says more about you than the subject you propose. No cure yet for what you seem to have swallowed.

Go back to no health care, pre-Lister. Then march your mind forward, if you can. Steve Jobs proposed this idea to his doctors as he declined the treatment that could have saved him. That's what garbage does. When I was diagnosed with Stage 3 colon cancer and then picked up Hep C in the hospital, I'm glad I didn't listen to you. I didn't listen to putting my food on purple plates and pray for Purple intervention. Seriously? Oh yeah.



That was 15 years ago, Finally got clear of it all, just 3 years ago. Imaging every 6 months still. Imagine you there, even just 25 years ago. Woops! No you. Didn't make it. Tough death. Too bad.

I wouldn't wish that on you. Why foist this garbage on us? Health Care and Justice are modern and fragile privileges you don't seem to grasp.
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the're not some evil guys who plans it but this is what really happens. When they where finding a cure for aids they cam across a pill the will increases peoples life by 20 years . They would have to take these pills everyday for the rest of their life. The companies started making money off it and the funding for the cure was abandoned. The same process is happening again with cancer. They came up with chemotherapy and the funding are slowly decreasing. The next disease will come along and people will forget and they cycle will start again.

My aunt is a cancer research doctor and they know how to cure it, because they have done it for mice. The problem is cancer is not like an organism that always has the same body. It is a rogue cell that become mutated. So they have to separate out every single dna strain that makes up certain cells and find an individual cure for each mutation of the DNA. That is a lot of different cures and it takes may experiments until you find one that works. Another block is that the only way to test if the cures will work on humans is well test each vaccine on humans. With the risk of death being very high let me just say they have killed a lot of mice, it is hard to find enough test subjects ethnically.
 
There will never be a cure for Cancer. It's too complicated. Have we cured the common cold? The onlything we can do is try to do is shrink, remove then manage as a chronic disease that will come back. Genetics is a small part of why we get it. The only way to cure cancer is to prevent it. Only way to prevent cancer is to abandon the modern age. With all the advantages of modern society comes the disadvantages that comes with it... Look at the Cancer rates in Africa and it will become clear and obvious.

We have found hundreds of drugs and compounds that stop, slow down and shrink cancer cell growth. They work great on mice and in test tubes but they just don't pan out in humans. I have noticed there are a lot of experimental drugs that are trying to copy how cannabis kills cancer cells. I think that really shows how great cannabis is, if they are tying to copy it.

And on Simpson oil. One needs a shit load of weed for the extration. One needs to consume 1-2 grams of full melt quality extract a day. At that rate cannabis costs more than some chemo programs. I can get help from the government and state to pay for my treatments but i get no help with getting the cannabis i need.

It would be great if each medical MJ state had atleast one "real non-profit" dispencery that collected cannabis donations and gave them out for free to people with some hardcore issues. If i owned a dispencery i couldn't live with myself charging someone with a life threating/altering illness the same amount as some stoner with some bunk recommendation. Dispenceries are run too much like a business, how can we bitch about the medical industry, look at ourselves..........
 
Yes, rogue mutating cells. They never are seen to mutate in a good way. Starts with little things like the manipulation of proteins. But, 50 mutations perhaps to get access to the blood flow. So, cannabis may provide an intervention to refer the cells back to the blueprint. Need more data.

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Just picked up some Simpson(?) oil. Anyone know the general maintenance dose? I seem to be
healthy as far as we can tell.
 
[h=1]Power from the Garden: Plant Compounds as Inhibitors of the Hallmarks of Cancer.[/h]Orlikova B, Diederich M.
[h=3]Source[/h]Laboratoire de Biologie Moléculaire et Cellulaire du Cancer, Hôpital Kirchberg, 9 rue Edward Steichen, L-2540 Luxembourg, Luxembourg. marc.diederich@lbmcc.lu.

[h=3]Abstract[/h]On December 23rd, 1971, President Richard Nixon signed the National Cancer Act and invested more than $ 100 million "to launch an intensive campaign to find a cure for cancer". Today, despite these considerable efforts, cancer still remains a very aggressive silent killer all over the world. Moreover, over the last decade, novel synthetic chemotherapeutic agents currently in use in the clinics did not succeed in fulfilling their expectations even though they are very cost-intensive. In parallel, there is increasing evidence for the potential of plant-derived compounds on the inhibition of different steps of tumor genesis and associated inflammatory processes, underlining the importance of these products in cancer prevention and therapy. This review summarizes the impact of selected natural compounds on the eight major alterations, known as the cancer hallmarks, and also on their two enabling characteristics that were coined by Hanahan and Weinberg earlier. Altogether these ten alterations are responsible for the progressive transition of healthy cells into neoplastic ones and their further dissemination in the body. With this review, we try to highlight molecular mechanisms by which plant extracts and their purified active components fight and overcome these pathological variations of the cell signaling pathways for the improvement of prevention and therapy. We truly believe that all diseases can be found in Nature and that Nature also provides the efficient cures.
 
Now we are talking science.

I had a feeling about this, as I mentioned. The problem is that I was almost Hallmarked to death, while the Dr said, He's too young, isn't he? and...With a belly ache, suspect horses, not zebras. A Hippocratic old saw about suspecting the usual, rather than the reverse. Trampled by zebras is the same thing, however. :)

This oil has 49.1% THC 4.4% CBD, 0.7 CBN. Oral dose is 1/10 gram nominal. Looks pretty sleepy for day to day use. Maybe a a small dose at night?
 
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