Cannot get cuttings to root. This is my 6th time i need some experties :(

jordan5star

jordan5star

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Guys

Really struggling to master the trick of getting clones/cuttings to root. I use a 8wt heated propagator along with a single t5 bulb. I use either root riots or jiffy pellets to put my clones in. I cut with a sterile blade at 45degrees and place straight into clonex rooting hormone as soon as there cut. They are left in there for around 5mins then transferred into the jiffys or the root sponges. I then cut of access leaves from the sides. Then i lightly spray the lid of the propagator and also the plant itself...after 4-5days they have either drooped dramatically or they look strong until i have a little look in the plugs and not even a sign of a single root forming. What am i doing wrong? Advise much appreciated as i have tried a few other techniques and none are workin
 
jordan5star

jordan5star

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Well im from the uk and its pretty cold over here at the moment. I cant imagin much heat from a 8wt propagator and a single t5 bulb. Propagator is very small so cant fit a thermometer in there unfortunately. I know there wont be roots at around 4-5 days but was expecting to see some sort of change with the development to see how they are getting on
 
PetFlora

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First I scrape roughly one inch above the cut, which helps roots to break through

I use a simple DIY hydro bubbler." a couple air stones and a strong pump Use anything that will hold the clones slightly above the water line

It can take anywhere from 5-10 days

No rooting agent needed
 
Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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jordan5star said:
Well im from the uk and its pretty cold over here at the moment. I cant imagin much heat from a 8wt propagator and a single t5 bulb. Propagator is very small so cant fit a thermometer in there unfortunately. I know there wont be roots at around 4-5 days but was expecting to see some sort of change with the development to see how they are getting on
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Is the propagator vented yeah?
 
Mr.Goodtimes

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Some strains can take a while to root. Are you trying to clone the same strain repeatedly or are you having the same success rate with different strains?

I usually give it about two weeks to see roots. But my Gorilla Bubble mother can take up to a month, if any of the cuttings take at all, where as Fruity Pebbles or some other strains i grow are ready to transplant in a week or so w a 100% success rate.

My method is to cut the clone at 45 degree angle, quickly dip into clonex rooting gel, then into a rapid rooter. Then they go under a dome. I mist for a few days (just the dome, not the cuttings), then start hardening the clones by either opening a vent in the dome or removing the dome for 15mins at a time, adding more time every day until they stop wilting and i can take the dome off completely. Usually within 4-5 days. Then I’ll see roots and transplant and feed w a full dose of nutrients.

My temps are usually around 70-75 degrees f.

If you can’t tell the temperature w that heat pad your using that might be your problem. You don’t want them getting too hot.
 
jordan5star

jordan5star

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PetFlora said:
First I scrape roughly one inch above the cut, which helps roots to break through

I use a simple DIY hydro bubbler." a couple air stones and a strong pump Use anything that will hold the clones slightly above the water line

It can take anywhere from 5-10 days

No rooting agent needed
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Ideally dont wanna spend anymore money unless i give up which is highly unlikely as i hate failing at things lol
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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I find they root faster in indirect light with the medium kept above about 72 degrees farenheight.

I just cut them at an angle and put them right into a cup of ocean forest potting soil (or any good potting mix) and most have growth within 2 weeks.

I also use a tray and some and spray the inside with water to have a humid little Greenhouse. But I keep it in the Grow tent off to the side down away from the light.

Then as they get strong I have learned to harden them off like when you bring seedlings outside to get used to the sun.

A little out of the dome and under the light for a while and more and closer as they can handle it.

Usually have a growing plant in 2-3 weeks. But I am not in a rush to use a bubbler or aero clones. They seem to work great too.
 
jordan5star

jordan5star

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Mr.Goodtimes said:
Some strains can take a while to root. Are you trying to clone the same strain repeatedly or are you having the same success rate with different strains?

I usually give it about two weeks to see roots. But my Gorilla Bubble mother can take up to a month, if any of the cuttings take at all, where as Fruity Pebbles or some other strains i grow are ready to transplant in a week or so w a 100% success rate.

My method is to cut the clone at 45 degree angle, quickly dip into clonex rooting gel, then into a rapid rooter. Then they go under a dome. I mist for a few days (just the dome, not the cuttings), then start hardening the clones by either opening a vent in the dome or removing the dome for 15mins at a time, adding more time every day until they stop wilting and i can take the dome off completely. Usually within 4-5 days. Then I’ll see roots and transplant and feed w a full dose of nutrients.

My temps are usually around 70-75 degrees f.

If you can’t tell the temperature w that heat pad your using that might be your problem. You don’t want them getting too hot.[/


I am trying to clone the same strain off the same mother...gelato 41. So you advise to spray the propagator and not directly the leaves?
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chemphlegm

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jordan5star said:
Guys

Really struggling to master the trick of getting clones/cuttings to root.

1) I use a 8wt heated propagator along with a single t5 bulb.
2)I use either root riots or jiffy pellets to put my clones in.
3)I cut with a sterile blade at 45degrees and place straight into clonex rooting hormone as soon as there cut.
4)They are left in there for around 5mins then transferred into the jiffys or the root sponges.
5)I then cut of access leaves from the sides.
6)Then i lightly spray the lid of the propagator and also the plant itself...after 4-5days they have either drooped dramatically or they look strong
7)until i have a little look in the plugs and not even a sign of a single root forming.
What am i doing wrong? Advise much appreciated as i have tried a few other techniques and none are workin
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1- drop the heated propagator unless you're rooting in an igloo, instead control your room atmosphere
2-those are fine, should be dunked and lightly squeezed first right
3-good, try scraping the 45 a bit until you see the white layer(cambium?)
4- wtf would you leave them in there for? who told you to do this? stop it at once, read the bottle directions
5-stop mutilating your leaves, its just silly. I dont do that and I have 100% cloning success
6-fine
7- stop fondling the plugs. put the plugs in little shot glasses to maintain moisture, be sure they are still damp after a week, and have good drainage, air flow, open vents, or no lid at all.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I find they root faster in indirect light with the medium kept above about 72 degrees farenheight.

I just cut them at an angle and put them right into a cup of ocean forest potting soil (or any good potting mix) and most have growth within 2 weeks.

I also use a tray and some and spray the inside with water to have a humid little Greenhouse. But I keep it in the Grow tent off to the side down away from the light.

Then as they get strong I have learned to harden them off like when you bring seedlings outside to get used to the sun.

A little out of the dome and under the light for a while and more and closer as they can handle it.

Usually have a growing plant in 2-3 weeks. But I am not in a rush to use a bubbler or aero clones. They seem to work great too.
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interesting, I keep my veg room at 70 full time and put cuttings next to vegging plants under 485 watts t5, about 18 inches away.
I keep them double cupped, with a clear vented cup jammed into the rooting cup of pro mix for about a week and I see roots through the cup, I uncover and transplant into a larger container and begin feeding
 
jordan5star

jordan5star

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chemphlegm said:
1- drop the heated propagator unless you're rooting in an igloo, instead control your room atmosphere
2-those are fine, should be dunked and lightly squeezed first right
3-good, try scraping the 45 a bit until you see the white layer(cambium?)
4- wtf would you leave them in there for? who told you to do this? stop it at once, read the bottle directions
5-stop mutilating your leaves, its just silly. I dont do that and I have 100% cloning success
6-fine
7- stop fondling the plugs. put the plugs in little shot glasses to maintain moisture, be sure they are still damp after a week, and have good drainage, air flow, open vents, or no lid at all.
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Believe it or not a few local hydroponic stores have told me the methods i have been using and a few off different websites on the net. Your point 4 are you referring to leaving the clones in the hormone for 5mins?
 
Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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I think whats getting you is the temperature. Since you have no idea what they are at it can't be ruled out as in issue. Go to a garden centre and pick up a thermometer, if it shows relative humidity then even better.

Do you have them sitting low on the ground? If so your floor temp can be quite a contrast from your head level.

Also, they could be too warm. Baking them essentially. Get a thermometer, homebase ;)


Edit: Just seen you say it won't fit. How small is that propagator? This should surely fit;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMIR-Temperature-Thermometer-Hygrometer-Greenhouse/dp/B01J39SLTU
 
jordan5star

jordan5star

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Nutty sKunK said:
I think whats getting you is the temperature. Since you have no idea what they are at it can't be ruled out as in issue. Go to a garden centre and pick up a thermometer, if it shows relative humidity then even better.

Do you have them sitting low on the ground? If so your floor temp can be quite a contrast from your head level.

Also, they could be too warm. Baking them essentially. Get a thermometer, homebase ;)
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They are currently in my wardrobe, i have another grow on there at the moment so i leave a window open for fresh air for my flowering plants... it does get quite cold as the temps currently 7degrees where i am Thats why i thought it a good idea to get a heated propagator.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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jordan5star said:
Believe it or not a few local hydroponic stores have told me the methods i have been using and a few off different websites on the net. Your point 4 are you referring to leaving the clones in the hormone for 5mins?
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grow store workers...meh. I used grow stores for a couple years, I learned exactly how to stop going there, they helped me come to that decision with bad advice, opened/adulterated hydro nutrients/supplies, expensive remedies, poisonous pesticides and their shelves taught me what an ornamental use only warning means. I figured those were bought only by the marijuana photographers, er)

yes, please, no letting it sit for five minutes. I use a syringe to draw up gel through the pin hole in the foil cap. I keep that syringe in the dark in a box with my clone supplies. on top is a small cutting board I use for the task, I inject a needed amount on to the cutting board and roll the freshly cut/scraped end into the puddle and poke it into the pr poked moist soil immediately and lightly water it in.
dipping into the bottle(like feeding a baby out of the bbf jar) will break down the ingredients and water them up. they still work but not as a gel. but then so does aloe vera gel, jello, and nothing at all sometimes.
 
jordan5star

jordan5star

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Nutty sKunK said:
I think whats getting you is the temperature. Since you have no idea what they are at it can't be ruled out as in issue. Go to a garden centre and pick up a thermometer, if it shows relative humidity then even better.

Do you have them sitting low on the ground? If so your floor temp can be quite a contrast from your head level.

Also, they could be too warm. Baking them essentially. Get a thermometer, homebase ;)


Edit: Just seen you say it won't fit. How small is that propagator? This should surely fit;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMIR-Temperature-Thermometer-Hygrometer-Greenhouse/dp/B01J39SLTU
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That will fit perfect!!! Many thanks
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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chemphlegm said:
interesting, I keep my veg room at 70 full time and put cuttings next to vegging plants under 485 watts t5, about 18 inches away.
I keep them double cupped, with a clear vented cup jammed into the rooting cup of pro mix for about a week and I see roots through the cup, I uncover and transplant into a larger container and begin feeding
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So many variations can work. I keep them out of the light because they can root in indirect light and not photosynthesize much and start burning their leaves.

I have simply left the cutting in a small glass of water in the shade close to another vegging plant and had roots in 3 weeks. With 3 water changes. Just out of the tap. Well water in my case. I still am using no additives.

I ditched the cal mag plus as a cure for my soft water issue even. Proper feeding with the base nutrient is working better. So I am trying a couple 5 gallon pots to see if I can keep enough nutrients uptaking where in the 3's I may be building up salts and excess too quickly.

Do your wells go low in mineral content with dry seasons? I have lost a third of my ppm in the water since last year. Very dry on the west side this year still.

Sorry for the Segway :-)

Please carry on. This thread has great input so far.
 
andy s

andy s

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my best luck has come from cutting them about 3 or 4 nodes long or tall however you wanna say it, then making my 45 degree cut, let them sit in a cup of water for about a minute or two dip them into some rooting hormone, and go into some soil. (recently used rockwool and had luck too same way) i keep the soil fairly wet for 3 days then start to let it dry between watering, i cut them in direct light in the grow space and i keep them in the same lighting. if theyre kept cool enough theyll harden quick and you wont see drooping if you do back them away from the lights keep them on the outside edge for about 5 days then they can handle more and more from there. after 10 to 14 days youll see new growth. circulation and cooler temps are key around 70. also have a higher humidity level around 40-60
 
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